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4:02p, 8/2/24
MilkbarTV out of Australia did another fine stickup of multiple videos that shows there was 2:52 from the time Crooks is captured by victim who was wounded James Copenhaver all the way up to the kill shot by ISSSS


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4:06p, 8/2/24
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The first sentence was actually not supposed to be a joke. I think it was claimed earlier, maybe a day or two after, that she was from ATF.

The second was def a joke.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 4:22p, 8/2/24
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MarkTwain said:
MilkbarTV out of Australia did another fine stickup of multiple videos that shows there was 2:52 from the time Crooks is captured by victim who was wounded James Copenhaver all the way up to the kill shot by ISSSS




That's a really good mashup up videos.
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4:43p, 8/2/24
Here's the link to Rowe's press conference from today, starts about 15 minutes in. He lays out the timeline for the day from their perspective and then takes questions for about another half hour or so.

https://www.youtube.com/live/9wxBTontEKk?si=ZdvnkU1uWNgQZlMw

One thing I found interesting that I don't think we knew - the SS had their own command post with a State PD officer stationed in it, but they did not have a SS officer in the PD's separate command post. So the local PD was trying to track down Crooks but that info had to go through their radios to the PD liaison to the SS and then out to the team. Rowe said his team was actually on the phone with the police liaison asking if the police had tracked down the suspicious person that they had reported earlier when Crooks started shooting. Also talked a lot about the steps they'll be taking moving forward.

Summary from The Hill as well for anyone interested - https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/4808494-secret-service-trump-shooting-crooks/
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4:46p, 8/2/24
Grassley released the Butler County After Action Report


https://www.grassley.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/beaver_county_fpotus_after_action_redacted.pdf
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4:50p, 8/2/24
It's 2024 and we still struggling to communicate.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 5:15p, 8/2/24
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:
It's 2024 and we still struggling to communicate.
That seems so incredible as to be unbelievable. Are they waiting for Elon to donate a crap ton of Starlinks?
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5:16p, 8/2/24
Some photos from the B Co AAR

Answers some of the questions about ladders. Both ladder were brought post shots fired by BCSO

Also the shooter shorts were not actually white but a real light camo


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5:18p, 8/2/24
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6:40p, 8/2/24
Quote:
Answers some of the questions about ladders. Both ladder were brought post shots fired by BCSO
The shooter buys a ladder but after arriving on scene sees that security is so lax he doesn't even need it.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 6:41p, 8/2/24
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Also the shooter shorts were not actually white but a real light camo
could be post-cranial aeration poop stains.
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9:21p, 8/2/24
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I did some testing this afternoon.

First rifle broke in two in a day pack and my daughters sitka 2700. The upper stretches it end to end. This is a sig 556 which I believe to be very similar to the Panther arms the shooter used.

Then I tried to recreate the 8 shots off my roof which is a 2:12 very similar to the bldg shooter was on.

I will post my shot strings tomorrow but I am pretty impressed with the kids split times and set up itself. I used a bag on the ridge. Barrel extended over about 8". Without the bag my 30 rd mag sat on the metal roof and was very unstable. I wonder if he used a 10 rd mag?? I shot it 3x and due to safety never got after it. Hitting a 6" plate with .6-1.0 second splits is not a problem with my 2.0 MOA red dot. 21 of 24 casings ejected over the ridge while 3 stayed on my side. I wanted to shoot the first 3 w barrel over ridge, pause, then rip off the last 5 coming off supported and moving behind ridge, but I couldn't do that safely enough.

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10:21p, 8/2/24
Without a better closeup of the weapon we don't know for sure be he could have well had it rigged with this

https://aimaculate.com/



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In reply to drcrinum • 7:10a, 8/3/24
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The
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admitted today that Trump wasn't given counter-sniper teams at his campaign rallies for the last two years. Why after years of no Secret Service counter-snipers, did they show up in Butler? When he finally was given counter-snipers in Butler, the snipers only could communicate over TEXT, no radio. If you see a man with a gun on the roof, who would have to time take out their phone and text? The acting Secret Service Director also said today that they briefed the locals helping the morning of the rally. The locals? They say that's a lie.

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7:43a, 8/3/24
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Criminal Gross Negligence at best!
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In reply to MagnumLoad • 8:21a, 8/3/24
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WGAS. Why was the roof uncovered and the shooter allowed to access it and shoot? Nothing else fing matters.


Exactly, this almost the biggest strategic blunder you could make in this scenario.

Thank God Greg didn't let him up into the second story room to use his (I'm assuming) unguarded equipment.
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In reply to Not Coach Jimbo • 8:54a, 8/3/24
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What it's seeming like is it was a total oversight initially and that's why they made the last minute adjustment to add CS teams after not having them for 2 years. They knew that building could be a problem and was the only way to cover it with the limited size of the perimeter and limited size of the SS crew assigned.

Total speculation. The scout team knew they had a small inexperienced crew so in order to cover effectively they tightened their perimeter. This then allowed poor line of sight issues so rather than increasing it and getting more staff which would be denied they added CS. However the answer should have been to move the event which for whatever reason wasn't done or was denied.

This was a top down failure from the beginning
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9:19a, 8/3/24
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 9:57a, 8/3/24
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[We've been clear to stay away from conspiracy theories or hints of conspiracies. Take that to the conspiracy thread that is wide open for that conversation. This thread is for posters trying to understand and explain facts. We've left numerous staff notes and will issue bans for those who persist with trying to weave conspiracies into this thread -- Staff]
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10:09a, 8/3/24
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Honestly the best thing to do is just all post on the "Conspiracy" thread. Enough said.
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10:36a, 8/3/24
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Dang I missed the cooky reply

I'm sure it was something about the one time a Cs is needed is there time it's there…but I think that's just because they realized how big of a GAPING hole that building was. And it would have been fine had they had any semblance of comms but they failed there as well
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In reply to Premium • 10:46a, 8/3/24
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[You were warned -- Staff]
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All this time I thought the perp came up on the building nearest to where the shots were taken. According to the latest videos, he entered from the far side. Why then would he traverse the roof to the spot where at least 1 counter sniper team was obscured by the tree? Why not just lay down and take the shot as soon as he was on the roof? Strange coincidence I suppose.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 10:54a, 8/3/24
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[Ditto -- Staff]
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[Ditto -- Staff]
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I believe the end he shot from was the only unobstructed shot on the podium. There was other things staggered blocking Trump, large tractor etc
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 11:21a, 8/3/24
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Why would you cover your ass when it is so exposed?

If what you theorize that it is just laziness and arrogance, then it needs to be completely reformed, starting with removal of all the leadership, starting with Myorkas.
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In reply to BQ78 • 11:32a, 8/3/24
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Because the current party in charge is always party before people.

Heck their previous nominee said he was removing himself for the good of his party before he said the good of the people.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 11:35a, 8/3/24
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J. Walter Weatherman said:




There is zero evidence of or facts supporting any grand conspiracy or purposeful negligence. So until there is, those opinions belong on the conspiracy thread.
Bingo! We scream "Incompetence!", but when it looks more and more to be exactly that, folks dig harder.
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In reply to BQ78 • 11:40a, 8/3/24
BQ78 said:
Why would you cover your ass when it is so exposed?

If what you theorize that it is just laziness and arrogance, then it needs to be completely reformed, starting with removal of all the leadership, starting with Myorkas.


The only thing people like Cheatle care about is covering their ass, keeping their cushy government job and the pension that goes with it. She also likely had no clue about the specific planning details of that day until well afterwards given that she was in charge of the entire organization. Based on his testimony and then the press conference yesterday, Rowe at least seems to also care a lot about the agents in his organization and some of his combativeness seems like it's in defense of the people who work for him. But Cheatle seemed like a garden variety arrogant government pos and I'm happy she's out.

To your second point, it seems like operational changes are already in progress or done based on Rowe's press conference yesterday.
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 12:42p, 8/3/24
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BadMoonRisin said:
so now we are arguing over fat secret service barbie?
Probably more accurately referred to as "Pat"
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