Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

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You omitted DEI USSS Director resigned.

But, yes, it's pretty much winding down.
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Hornbeck said:

You omitted DEI USSS Director resigned.

But, yes, it's pretty much winding down.


Agreed, well deserved resignation and I think that also has to do with the news winding down. People were able to see someone get punished and put down the pitchforks - although sadly I'm sure she had some kind of sweet pension deal and/or will just go back to some rich corporate job.
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A report will get written at some point. We may or may not see the evidence. But none of that is going to happen in the next 99-days until election. You figure that with a security breach this big it would be all hands on deck effort to get to the bottom of it. As a general rule, assassination attempts don't beget political and economic stability one way or the other. Seems like it should be a bigger deal and dropped out of the news cycle much faster than most would have predicted 2-weeks ago.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Hornbeck said:

You omitted DEI USSS Director resigned.

But, yes, it's pretty much winding down.


Agreed, well deserved resignation and I think that also has to do with the news winding down. People were able to see someone get punished and put down the pitchforks - although sadly I'm sure she had some kind of sweet pension deal and/or will just go back to some rich corporate job.

I mean that move loses a bit of credibility when the successor is the person who actually declined the requests for additional support. She fell on her sword as a figure head just to put the actual main perpetrator in the seat at the top.

Conservative media is still talking…why would the side who refuses to even admit he was shot keep talking about it and build him up. Two weeks ago they said Joe was good to go and now they say Kamala is the best grass roots nominee to ever grace the ticket.
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Quote:

I mean that move loses a bit of credibility when the successor is the person who actually declined the requests for additional support. She fell on her sword as a figure head just to put the actual main perpetrator in the seat at the top.
He was on that plan/detail and not NATO meeting only?
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aggiehawg said:

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I mean that move loses a bit of credibility when the successor is the person who actually declined the requests for additional support. She fell on her sword as a figure head just to put the actual main perpetrator in the seat at the top.
He was on that plan/detail and not NATO meeting only?
They denied enhanced security for months. He was part of that.
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Why was there a rush to DNA test Crooks? Seems like the first thing we heard about and seemed unusual.
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Why was there a rush to DNA test Crooks? Seems like the first thing we heard about and seemed unusual.


Don't forget they bemoaned the "fact" that they had to sift through boxes of old FFL paperwork to see who bought the gun when, because *gasp*, there's no nationwide database…
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Rally attendee captured the activity around the building Crooks was on.

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The NYT continues to add details:


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Gunman at Trump Rally Was Often a Step Ahead of the Secret Service

Text messages, obtained exclusively by The Times, indicate that some law enforcement officers were aware of Thomas Crooks earlier than previously known. And he was aware of them.



Nearly 100 minutes before former President Donald J. Trump took the stage in Butler, Pa., a local countersniper who was part of the broader security detail let his colleagues know his shift was ending.
"Guys I am out. Be safe," he texted to a group of colleagues at 4:19 p.m. on July 13. He exited the second floor of a warehouse that overlooked the campaign rally site, leaving two other countersnipers behind.

Outside, the officer noticed a young man with long stringy hair sitting on a picnic table near the warehouse. So at 4:26 p.m., he texted his colleagues about the man, who was outside the fenced area of the Butler Fair Show grounds where Mr. Trump was to appear. He said that the person would have seen him come out with his rifle and "knows you guys are up there."


The countersniper who sent the texts confirmed to The New York Times that the individual he saw was later identified as the gunman.

By 5:10 p.m., the young man was no longer on the picnic table. He was right below the countersnipers, who were upstairs in a warehouse owned by AGR International. One of the countersnipers took pictures of him, according to a law enforcement after-action report, which along with the texts from the Beaver County Emergency Services Unit was provided to The Times by the office of Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa.

At 5:38 p.m., the photos were shared in a group chat, and another text went out among the officers, saying they should inform the Secret Service. "Kid learning around building we are in. AGR I believe it is. I did see him with a range finder looking towards stage. FYI. If you wanna notify SS snipers to look out. I lost sight of him."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/28/us/politics/trump-shooting-thomas-crooks-secret-service.html


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Amazing that the very liberal NYT is doing some of the most solid reporting on this.
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
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I agree, but reading it is usually like reading the news from an alien planet. The division in this country is so deep.
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Rally attendee captured the activity around the building Crooks was on.


At about the 3:00 mark you can see the local cops start to fan out and surround that building. You can faintly hear someone say what sounds like "he's got a gun" or something then the shots then quite a few seconds later a final shot that must have been the kill shot from the countersniper.
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This video makes all those initial headlines of "popping noises" and "SS Services Takes Trump Off Stage After Loud Noises" even more ridiculous. Everyone on site knew exactly what happened. Reporters no longer report. Local scanner traffic would've confirmed what was happening.
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Why was there a rush to DNA test Crooks? Seems like the first thing we heard about and seemed unusual.
I only heard it one time during the confusion immediately after the shooting but one of the stations initially reported that the shooter was a Chinese national.
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This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.

Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.
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4stringAg said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

Rally attendee captured the activity around the building Crooks was on.


At about the 3:00 mark you can see the local cops start to fan out and surround that building. You can faintly hear someone say what sounds like "he's got a gun" or something then the shots then quite a few seconds later a final shot that must have been the kill shot from the countersniper.



Dude that filmed that was arrested. State cops he said. Wonder what the charges were
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4stringAg said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

Rally attendee captured the activity around the building Crooks was on.


At about the 3:00 mark you can see the local cops start to fan out and surround that building. You can faintly hear someone say what sounds like "he's got a gun" or something then the shots then quite a few seconds later a final shot that must have been the kill shot from the countersniper.


Cops surrounded the building with their sidearms pulled! How did USSS not pull Trump off the stage?

I will say, that audio was very clean. Clearly sounds like all 8 shots came from the same gun.
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4stringAg said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

Rally attendee captured the activity around the building Crooks was on.


At about the 3:00 mark you can see the local cops start to fan out and surround that building. You can faintly hear someone say what sounds like "he's got a gun" or something then the shots then quite a few seconds later a final shot that must have been the kill shot from the countersniper.
We kept saying that this kind of video has to exist.

Shots begin at 4:55. Last one at 5:11.
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Arrested for filming??
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Arrested for filming.

LOL, FBI continuing their lying, censoring ways.

PROTECTING DEMOCRACY!!!
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aggiehawg said:

And that is the only photo that has not been fuzzed out we have been able to see, thus far. And there are still many questions even about that photo. Doesn't look like a Winchester 300 mag hit, if it hit him mid temple.

From the angles we have been shown, and in that photo not a face shot.
You can really only see one side of his face. Think I saw the sniper could only really see his eye and forehead and scope maybe. Looks like he could have been hit right above his left eye. The back of his head on the left (his right) also has a bump to his head shape. Exit could have been there and the angle of the pic just doesn't show as large of an exit wound as it actually was. If he was laying prone though, an entry near his eye would have an exit right where that bump area is.
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4stringAg said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

Rally attendee captured the activity around the building Crooks was on.


At about the 3:00 mark you can see the local cops start to fan out and surround that building. You can faintly hear someone say what sounds like "he's got a gun" or something then the shots then quite a few seconds later a final shot that must have been the kill shot from the countersniper.


WTH is this thing?
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MW03 said:

4stringAg said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

Rally attendee captured the activity around the building Crooks was on.


At about the 3:00 mark you can see the local cops start to fan out and surround that building. You can faintly hear someone say what sounds like "he's got a gun" or something then the shots then quite a few seconds later a final shot that must have been the kill shot from the countersniper.


WTH is this thing?


Can't be a drone because there were no drones except the shooter's that day, right?

Right?!?!
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Ellis Wyatt said:

This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.

Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.


Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.

Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.


Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
That is even worse. Hundreds of people were watching him/ Many people were filming him.

Quite a few cops were observing him and not a single person questioned him/patted him down? Sounds intentional to me.
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I still do not understand the two-man counter sniper team leaving their post to go look for Crooks. Why would they both leave? That is just beyond incompetence.
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And ZERO secret service texts and emails will be kept or available due to an accidental deletion……AGAIN
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Texmid said:

I still do not understand the two-man counter sniper team leaving their post to go look for Crooks. Why would they both leave? That is just beyond incompetence.
they either knew for a fact there was only one shooter acting alone so everyone was 100% safe after they neutralized the one shooter.... or, once DJT was whisked away into a vehicle, their job was over so they were free to go check out their kill shot and not worry about any risk of any other shooters.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.

Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.


Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
It's apparent that's the narrative, anyway.
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oh no said:

Texmid said:

I still do not understand the two-man counter sniper team leaving their post to go look for Crooks. Why would they both leave? That is just beyond incompetence.
they either knew for a fact there was only one shooter acting alone so everyone was 100% safe after they neutralized the one shooter.... or, once DJT was whisked away into a vehicle, their job was over so they were free to go check out their kill shot and not worry about any risk of any other shooters.
You're thinking of a different sniper team. The two he was referring to left their post BEFORE Trump was shot. And that left the roof Crooks was on unprotected. Had one of them stayed on top, they would have seen him on the roof prior to the shot.
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all the people that were so disappointed that he was only grazed instead of fatally shot with his brains blown out are now shocked and bewildered that his wound is healing up nicely. fascinating to see.
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Science Denier said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

This whole thing is a national ****ing embarrassment. Many more people need to be fired.

Hundreds of people knew the assassin was there and the Secret Service did NOTHING until he had shot the President.


Seems apparent at this point that no one working the security for the event knew he had a weapon until a less than a minute before he fired. And that was just the two cops who tried to climb the roof.
It's apparent that's the narrative, anyway.


Yes. According to eye witnesses, multiple different parties who have testified in front of congress, multiple politicians including republicans, etc. Feel free to provide any evidence of another "narrative" that's being hidden.
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oh no said:

all the people that were so disappointed that he was only grazed instead of fatally shot with his brains blown out are now shocked and bewildered that his wound is healing up nicely. fascinating to see.


Very well said. And accurate.
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