But according to recent polls, the candidate who no serious person denies is well into dementia would still get at least 40% of the popular vote easily. Just today Bloomberg, while still having him losing, has him within striking distance.

Can one of our resident leftists please explain to me the definition of "cult" and how that more accurately applies to the right at this point? Genuine question.

Communism is their cult.

Complete devotion to their god, government.

Well of course. The absolute floor of either party in presidential elections is about 46-48%. People vote mostly for their party and against the other party, the actual candidate is only ever going to move the needle a couple percent. A Kamala/AOC ticket would probably get at least 48%. Is this surprising to people?

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Well of course. The absolute floor of either party in presidential elections is about 46-48%. People vote mostly for their party and against the other party, the actual candidate is only ever going to move the needle a couple percent. A Kamala/AOC ticket would probably get at least 48%. Is this surprising to people?

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Notice how precisely zero of this addressed the question.

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Well of course. The absolute floor of either party in presidential elections is about 46-48%. People vote mostly for their party and against the other party, the actual candidate is only ever going to move the needle a couple percent. A Kamala/AOC ticket would probably get at least 48%. Is this surprising to people?

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Well I'm not a leftist, so I guess wait for one of them. But the answer is what I said, the vast majority of both sides are simply voting against the other party. I'd vote for Reagan's dead body before I voted for Biden, and I expect the other side to be the same way.

Fair enough. That seems like an incredibly strong indictment against what the two party system has produced for us.

The progressive movement is the largest and most destructive cult the world has ever known. All Democrat voters are brainwashed.

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Fair enough. That seems like an incredibly strong indictment against what the two party system has produced for us.

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I agree, and I know there's often the argument that we need new parties or at least one good third party option, but unfortunately all that ever happens is what just happened with Great Britain. Conservatives finally said "Screw this pretend Conservative Party, let's vote for the new guys" and all that happened is the left massacred their fractured vote.

So there, and here, all most people can do is vote for their major party just to try to keep the other one out. It's kind of a form of blackmail, but short of having elections where party labels aren't allowed, which will never happen, I don't know what the answer is. But all I was saying is it wouldn't be fair for me to ask how in the hell so many people would still vote for Biden when I know that I honestly feel the way they do, which is "No matter how much my side sucks it's always better than the other side by default."

Right now, and I think 95% of those in this forum would agree if they're being honest, if Trump had a stroke election week and couldn't even speak or walk I can promise you I'd still vote for him with the thinking that "Ok so he's a total invalid but at least we'll have people in his circle there and anything is better than the Dems." Wouldn't you?

I generally agree, it's a classic first mover problem. Because the direction we are moving now is clearly not sustainable, yet game theory still dictates it. I'm not sure how to fix that, but I fear fixing that is the only actual solution.

And to your point, I think the majority of this board would agree with your hypothetical. I would not, which is why I proposed this question. I wouldn't vote for Biden obviously, but neither of them would get my vote in that scenario. But I'm hardly in-line with the common "wisdom" of this board.

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Well of course. The absolute floor of either party in presidential elections is about 46-48%. People vote mostly for their party and against the other party, the actual candidate is only ever going to move the needle a couple percent. A Kamala/AOC ticket would probably get at least 48%. Is this surprising to people?

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Well I'm not a leftist, so I guess wait for one of them. But the answer is what I said, the vast majority of both sides are simply voting against the other party. I'd vote for Reagan's dead body before I voted for Biden, and I expect the other side to be the same way.

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If only Reagan's dead body could replace don as the GOP nominee.

Leftism is a religion. Trumpism is a cult.

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Leftism is a religion. Trumpism is a cult.

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So anyone voting for Trump is afflicted with Trumpism and is in a cult?

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Leftism is a religion. Trumpism is a cult.

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So anyone voting for Trump is afflicted with Trumpism and is in a cult?

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No, there are plenty of people voting for him as the better of two options, but there are also those who decide what is real and what they believe is right based on what he says. Both are part of his voting base. This isn't a binary thing.

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Can one of our resident leftists please explain to me the definition of "cult" and how that more accurately applies to the right at this point? Genuine question.

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What are you doing? The left have lost their defining privileges

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Leftism is a religion. Trumpism is a cult.

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So anyone voting for Trump is afflicted with Trumpism and is in a cult?

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No, there are plenty of people voting for him as the better of two options, but there are also those who decide what is real and what they believe is right based on what he says. Both are part of his voting base. This isn't a binary thing.

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I'd say all of us are voting for him as the better option for the country. There is no cult. Just a desire to rid the country of the dem disease killing it.

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A Kamala/AOC ticket would probably get at least 48%. Is this surprising to people?

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Well that would tell me that my feeling that America is dead is absolutely correct.

I think the big variable though is voter turnout and degree of Marxicrat cheating.

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Leftism is a religion. Trumpism is a cult.

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So anyone voting for Trump is afflicted with Trumpism and is in a cult?

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No, there are plenty of people voting for him as the better of two options, but there are also those who decide what is real and what they believe is right based on what he says. Both are part of his voting base. This isn't a binary thing.

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I'd say all of us are voting for him as the better option for the country. There is no cult. Just a desire to rid the country of the dem disease killing it.

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There is definitely a cult. It's just faded into the woodwork now that the primaries are over. It's easy to choose when the only other choice is all the incompetence and wrongness that is Biden. When there were actual choices, the cult was easy to distinguish.

No cult. Just TDS'rs who like to spew the word "cult".

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Leftism is a religion. Trumpism is a cult.

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No, there are plenty of people voting for him as the better of two options, but there are also those who decide what is real and what they believe is right based on what he says. Both are part of his voting base. This isn't a binary thing.

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I'd say all of us are voting for him as the better option for the country. There is no cult. Just a desire to rid the country of the dem disease killing it.

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No, there are sycophants of Trump's that couldn't give a flying **** about America but just that he wins to "own the libs". While owning libs is good for America, that's secondary for them to the aforementioned ownage.

I'm voting for Trump because Biden is terrihorribad, the L's put forth a certified tard and Trump, while a liberal, isn't a progressive and loves America, even if not totally as much as he loves himself.

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Communism is their cult.

Complete devotion to their god, government.

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This world is flooded with locusts who subscribe to socialism.

MAGA can be a cult. So can the radical left. Us independents, however, are not in a cult.

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Fair enough. That seems like an incredibly strong indictment against what the two party system has produced for us.

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Certainly, but suggest forming a third party or voting for one on F16 and the "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" is deafening.

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Leftism is a religion. Trumpism is a cult.

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So anyone voting for Trump is afflicted with Trumpism and is in a cult?

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No, there are plenty of people voting for him as the better of two options, but there are also those who decide what is real and what they believe is right based on what he says. Both are part of his voting base. This isn't a binary thing.

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I'd say all of us are voting for him as the better option for the country. There is no cult. Just a desire to rid the country of the dem disease killing it.

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There is definitely a cult. It's just faded into the woodwork now that the primaries are over. It's easy to choose when the only other choice is all the incompetence and wrongness that is Biden. When there were actual choices, the cult was easy to distinguish.

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Is the cult in the room with you right now?

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Leftism is a religion. Trumpism is a cult.

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No, there are plenty of people voting for him as the better of two options, but there are also those who decide what is real and what they believe is right based on what he says. Both are part of his voting base. This isn't a binary thing.

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I'd say all of us are voting for him as the better option for the country. There is no cult. Just a desire to rid the country of the dem disease killing it.

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There is definitely a cult. It's just faded into the woodwork now that the primaries are over. It's easy to choose when the only other choice is all the incompetence and wrongness that is Biden. When there were actual choices, the cult was easy to distinguish.

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Is the cult in the room with you right now?

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They wake up in the middle of the night screaming cult cult cult!

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The progressive movement is the largest and most destructive cult the world has ever known. All Democrat voters are brainwashed.

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Proof is they believe the media (which is basically all if it) when up until the debate they stated Biden is fine, mentally sharp, and fit to serve.

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The progressive movement is the largest and most destructive cult the world has ever known. All Democrat voters are brainwashed.

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this cult is strong enough to make the vast majority of feminists to throw their whole ideology out for the sake of the party. I can't think of a stronger argument in support of the progressives / dems being a cult.

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Fair enough. That seems like an incredibly strong indictment against what the two party system has produced for us.

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I think the issue we are facing is the inevitable outcome of a cycle coming to an end.

The Democrats have moved so far left and so far away from the intent of the founders that we no longer have enough in common with them. Compromise is no longer in our best interest because compromise has only gotten us more leftism.

So, because we've tracked so far to the left we find ourselves in a total partisan stalemate where those of us on the right are no longer willing to compromise on anything. At all. Because if we do, there is no longer any wiggle room to give without total destruction and give on basic principles and ethics. We've only ever given and been taken from with policy and culture.

I also think much of what you are seeing is the failure of multi-culturalism. The interview posted on here with the former Czech(?) leader last week was insightful. His argument was that multi-culturalism is fine, but basically it needs to be at the country level and not within the country. In other words, each country has a unique culture that should be retained and promoted (assuming it's not an evil one of course). Otherwise, any country that continually consumes immigrants simply dilutes what made it successful anyway.

I'm also not saying we need to completely shut off immigration. What I am saying is that we need to only allow immigrants who have skill sets we need.

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Leftism is a religion. Trumpism is a cult.

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So anyone voting for Trump is afflicted with Trumpism and is in a cult?

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No, there are plenty of people voting for him as the better of two options, but there are also those who decide what is real and what they believe is right based on what he says. Both are part of his voting base. This isn't a binary thing.

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I'd say all of us are voting for him as the better option for the country. There is no cult. Just a desire to rid the country of the dem disease killing it.

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There is definitely a cult. It's just faded into the woodwork now that the primaries are over. It's easy to choose when the only other choice is all the incompetence and wrongness that is Biden. When there were actual choices, the cult was easy to distinguish.

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Covid proved to everyone that the left is the cult. Do you recall how people that didn't want to get the shot were treated? MAGA is people centered on a simple narrative, put America first. The cult is the people that put EVERYTHING before our own well being. You and others just live in your arrogance that it's not you destroying the country.

Democrats and RINOs are globalists. They want a foreign central authority calling the shots. Fundamentally, I'm against that sort of BS. Is Trump the best choice? Probably not. Do we have a better chance of hindering the globalists' agenda with Trump? I damn sure hope so. Secure the borders, complete the wall, run these illegals back to their home of origin, take the government boot off the neck of producers, slash government regulations and spending, and fire everyone of these globalist types lurking in dark corners of the government bureaucracy. Just weed out globalists entirely.

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No, there are plenty of people voting for him as the better of two options, but there are also those who decide what is real and what they believe is right based on what he says. Both are part of his voting base. This isn't a binary thing.

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I'd say all of us are voting for him as the better option for the country. There is no cult. Just a desire to rid the country of the dem disease killing it.

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There is definitely a cult. It's just faded into the woodwork now that the primaries are over. It's easy to choose when the only other choice is all the incompetence and wrongness that is Biden. When there were actual choices, the cult was easy to distinguish.

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Is the cult in the room with you right now?

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LOL, if you count this thread as a room, yes... there are.

You know how 1 out of three people is an ahole and if the 2 people next to you aren't...

Just saying there is definitely a Trump cult... and if you can't see it...

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Leftism is a religion. Trumpism is a cult.

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So anyone voting for Trump is afflicted with Trumpism and is in a cult?

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No, there are plenty of people voting for him as the better of two options, but there are also those who decide what is real and what they believe is right based on what he says. Both are part of his voting base. This isn't a binary thing.

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I'd say all of us are voting for him as the better option for the country. There is no cult. Just a desire to rid the country of the dem disease killing it.

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There is definitely a cult. It's just faded into the woodwork now that the primaries are over. It's easy to choose when the only other choice is all the incompetence and wrongness that is Biden. When there were actual choices, the cult was easy to distinguish.

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Covid proved to everyone that the left is the cult. Do you recall how people that didn't want to get the shot were treated? MAGA is people centered on a simple narrative, put America first. The cult is the people that put EVERYTHING before our own well being. You and others just live in your arrogance that it's not you destroying the country.

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Yep, it's totally me destroying the country by recognizing that Trump actually had a part in the situation you described. Reality should not be our enemy.

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LOL, if you count this thread as a room, yes... there are.

You know how 1 out of three people is an ahole and if the 2 people next to you aren't...

Just saying there is definitely a Trump cult... and if you can't see it...

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Help me out with your analogy. What if you can clearly see an ahole? What then?

A cult! OMG I think I saw one on the way to HEB while ago. But I wasn't worried because I'm a white male and the world's largest threat to democracy. I'm also voting for Trump which would make them think I was part of their CULT! I am dangerous! You CM's best be careful!