Committee for a Responsible Government compares Presidents

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rgvag11
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https://www.crfb.org/papers/trump-and-biden-national-debt

In companion analyses, we will show:

  • Roughly 77 percent of President Trump's approved ten-year debt came from bipartisan legislation, and 29 percent of the net ten-year debt President Biden has approved thus far came from bipartisan legislation. The rest was from partisan actions.
  • President Trump approved $2.2 trillion of debt in his first two years in office and $6.2 trillion ($2.6 trillion non-COVID) in his second two years. President Biden approved $4.9 trillion ($2.9 trillion non-COVID) in his first two years in office and has so far approved over $600 billion of net ten-year deficit reduction since.
  • President Trump approved $5.9 trillion of net spending increases including interest ($2.8 trillion non-COVID) and $2.5 trillion of net tax cuts ($2.0 trillion non-COVID). President Biden has approved $4.3 trillion of net spending increases including interest ($2.3 trillion non-COVID) and roughly $0 of net tax changes ($60 billion revenue increase non-COVID).
  • Debt held by the public rose by $7.2 trillion during President Trump's term including $5.9 trillion in the first three years and five months. Debt held by the public has grown by $6.0 trillion during President Biden's term so far.



Two conclusions: No fiscally responsible deficit hawks are to be found in the Executive and they are few and far between in Congress or the parties in general. This is unsustainable.
GenericAggie
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Is your punchline that Trump's debt came from bi-partisan approvals and the majority of Bidens' did not?
torrid
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Vote for Biden, he only added $4T to the debt.
BigRobSA
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This is why you don't select liberals, regardless of the letter by their name on TV.
rgvag11
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It is one of the many reminders of the sad reality that almost nobody cares about fiscal responsibility. People talk the talk, but almost nobody walks the walk.
Logos Stick
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giving Trump responsibility for 2021 spending.

LMAO at that idiocy!

if you take out the year 2021, when Trump was not president, he added $4.23 trillion to the debt and that's with a once in a 100 year pandemic!

Look at 2017-2019 Trump - NON PANDEMIC - and compare it to Biden's 2022-2024 years!

Ag in Tiger Country
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When Biden gets us into full-blown WW3 before his term is up, these cute little graphs will need further refinement and bull**** padding to sell the idea that Biden is still more fiscally responsible than Trump.

Trump may suck, but Biden sucks harder than Kamala on her knees.
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Debt growth under President Biden:

As of April 5, 2024, the national debt has grown by about $6.17 trillion, or 21.7%, since Joe Biden was inaugurated in 2021, according to the U.S. Treasury Department. In his first year in control of the federal budget from September 2021 to September 2022, the debt grew by about $2.5 trillion. In his second year, it grew by $2.24 trillion. The national debt has grown by $1.43 trillion so far this year.

Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury



Get Off My Lawn
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"Ten year debt approved" strikes me as very strange metric to be flaunting. What's the motivation for presenting in that indecipherable basis rather than as "debt incurred?"

My first assumption would be gaslighting Lincoln-project style "conservatives" that Trump caused more debt and inflation than Biden*.
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Bullcrap. That is some serious moving numbers to fit your agenda
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Logos Stick said:

giving Trump responsibility for 2021 spending but not Obama for 2017 fiscal year spending.

LMAO at that idiocy!

if you take out the year 2021, when Trump was not president, he added $4.23 trillion to the debt and that's with a once in a 100 year pandemic!

Look at 2017-2019 - NON PANDEMIC - and compare it to Biden's 2022-2024 years!



Joe should never have approved the extra 2.1T of debt (or maybe it was 4T).

Here's what I know - look at Amazon's growth from 2021 vs. 2020 and 2022. Why? Because people got paychecks from the government to go buy those 65" TVs.

2021 Almost 44% in Q1 YOY
2022 7.3% in Q1 YOY

That huge drop in growth...... free checks dried up.
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CDUB98
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giving Trump responsibility for 2021 spending.

LMAO at that idiocy!
This.

Trumps was a ****bag on spending, no doubt, but people can't even be honest about who is responsible for spending. OP is disingenuous.
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BigRobSA said:

This is why you don't select liberals, regardless of the letter by their name on TV.

Trump is not a liberal. Your shtick is so tired.
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Logos Stick said:

giving Trump responsibility for 2021 spending.

LMAO at that idiocy!

if you take out the year 2021, when Trump was not president, he added $4.23 trillion to the debt and that's with a once in a 100 year pandemic!

Look at 2017-2019 - NON PANDEMIC - and compare it to Biden's 2022-2024 years!


Do not destroy the narrative. It is all they have got!

Logos Stick
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beginning of 2021 Biden takes office - debt is $27.7 tril
end of first quarter 2024 Biden still in office - debt is $34.5 tril

$6.7 trillion in new debt for Biden!!!
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CDUB98 said:

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giving Trump responsibility for 2021 spending.

LMAO at that idiocy!
This.

Trumps was a ****bag on spending, no doubt, but people can't even be honest about who is responsible for spending. OP is disingenuous.
curious as to why you think a guy that was in office until January of 2021 and approved the budget for 2021 shouldn't be responsible for 2021? 2021 budget starts in October of 2020.
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Ag87H2O said:

Debt growth under President Biden:

As of April 5, 2024, the national debt has grown by about $6.17 trillion, or 21.7%, since Joe Biden was inaugurated in 2021, according to the U.S. Treasury Department. In his first year in control of the federal budget from September 2021 to September 2022, the debt grew by about $2.5 trillion. In his second year, it grew by $2.24 trillion. The national debt has grown by $1.43 trillion so far this year.

Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury





Don't look at the actual numbers, look at the projections.
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torrid said:

Vote for Biden, he only added $4T to the debt.


And better yet, thanks to Bidenflation that $4T is more like $2T in Trump dollars.
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rgvag11 said:

It is one of the many reminders of the sad reality that almost nobody cares about fiscal responsibility. People talk the talk, but almost nobody walks the walk.
People do care.

This election is about marxism versus freedom. That's it.

One administration is currently run by freedom-hating marxists who want to control every aspect of Americans' lives. They loathe the Constitution and violate our rights daily.
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The funniest thing is claiming the Inflation Reduction Act will account for $252B in debt REDUCTION....
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Ag with kids said:

The funniest thing is claiming the Inflation Reduction Act will account for $252B in debt REDUCTION....
They lie with impunity by constantly changing definitions and then telling us the lies are actually the truth. Yet idiots still vote for it.
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well_endowed_ag said:

BigRobSA said:

This is why you don't select liberals, regardless of the letter by their name on TV.

Trump is not a liberal. Your shtick is so tired.

He most definitely is. Like JFK and other old school NE liberals of yesteryear. What he isn't is a conservative, nor a progressive.

Being better than Biden isn't exactly hard to do but he's better than Biden.
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curious as to why you think a guy that was in office until January of 2021 and approved the budget for 2021 shouldn't be responsible for 2021? 2021 budget starts in October of 2020.
There hasn't been a true budget in over a decade. It's just non-stop continuing resolutions.

It's the "extra" debt of 2021 from other specific spending items that were signed by Biden that ramped up the spending even more.
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Ag with kids said:

The funniest thing is claiming the Inflation Reduction Act will account for $252B in debt REDUCTION....
Yeah, that alone tells me it's a biased article running with only the very best numbers to make Biden look good and Trump bad.

Reality is that they both sucked donkey balls on spending.
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BigRobSA said:

well_endowed_ag said:

BigRobSA said:

This is why you don't select liberals, regardless of the letter by their name on TV.

Trump is not a liberal. Your shtick is so tired.

He most definitely is. Like JFK and other old school NE liberals of yesteryear. What he isn't is a conservative, nor a progressive.

Being better than Biden isn't exactly hard to do but he's better than Biden.

Trump is not a liberal. Stop. Get help.
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BigRobSA said:

well_endowed_ag said:

BigRobSA said:

This is why you don't select liberals, regardless of the letter by their name on TV.

Trump is not a liberal. Your shtick is so tired.

He most definitely is. Like JFK and other old school NE liberals of yesteryear. What he isn't is a conservative, nor a progressive.

Being better than Biden isn't exactly hard to do but he's better than Biden.
Illustrating why I keep harping on people to use the word progressive to describe today's Democrat party. They are not liberals.

Trump is a liberal at heart. Sorry you don't like it, but he is. What he's done is masterfully captured an audience through populist, right leaning rhetoric on larger issues.

Our Founding Fathers are considered classically liberal.

Words have meaning.
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Any organization that calls a tax cut an expense cannot be trusted with a summary analysis.

A tax cut is only an expenditure if you are part of the government.
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Ag with kids
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CDUB98 said:

Ag with kids said:

The funniest thing is claiming the Inflation Reduction Act will account for $252B in debt REDUCTION....
Yeah, that alone tells me it's a biased article running with only the very best numbers to make Biden look good and Trump bad.

Reality is that they both sucked donkey balls on spending.
Even the liberal Brookings Institute claimed it would cost ~$800B...so, apparently these folks reduced that by over a trillion...

But...no TDS.
BigRobSA
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CDUB98 said:

BigRobSA said:

well_endowed_ag said:

BigRobSA said:

This is why you don't select liberals, regardless of the letter by their name on TV.

Trump is not a liberal. Your shtick is so tired.

He most definitely is. Like JFK and other old school NE liberals of yesteryear. What he isn't is a conservative, nor a progressive.

Being better than Biden isn't exactly hard to do but he's better than Biden.
Illustrating why I keep harping on people to use the word progressive to describe today's Democrat party. They are not liberals.

Trump is a liberal at heart. Sorry you don't like it, but he is. What he's done is masterfully captured an audience through populist, right leaning rhetoric on larger issues.

Our Founding Fathers are considered classically liberal.

Words have meaning.


"Classically liberal" is today's libertarian movement, small L.

Trump is a "liberal" in how we have recently used the term. Like old school Dems that, until the last 2 decades or so, were wrong fiscally but didn't hate America. JFK would be to the right of most Federal Govt Republicans from right now, that's how far left we've allowed them to go. Trump is a dem/lib in that vein.

But, as such, he's NOT a progressive. Like you mentioned, he has a populist slant to his Dem/lib outlook versus the anti-American, idiotic progressive ideology on display by Biden's handlers. Biden must be replaced, which is why I'm going to vote for a lib like Trump for the first time ever, but he's far from ideal. Far, far from it.
Logos Stick
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BusterAg said:

Any organization that calls a tax cut an expense cannot be trusted with a summary analysis.

A tax cut is only an expenditure if you are part of the government.

Good call.

I think OP has an agenda.
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"Classically liberal" is today's libertarian movement, small L.
Agreed
captkirk
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Yeah, and Biden created 14 million jobs, right?
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well_endowed_ag said:

BigRobSA said:

well_endowed_ag said:

BigRobSA said:

This is why you don't select liberals, regardless of the letter by their name on TV.

Trump is not a liberal. Your shtick is so tired.

He most definitely is. Like JFK and other old school NE liberals of yesteryear. What he isn't is a conservative, nor a progressive.

Being better than Biden isn't exactly hard to do but he's better than Biden.

Trump is not a liberal. Stop. Get help.


He's been a New York liberal his entire life. But he was willing to speak the truth on the border in 2016 and nothing he's done or said since then has seemed to change many people's opinion of him, save for a chunk of conservatives that realized he wasn't going to deliver what was promised
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