Air Line Pilots Association Tackling The Most Important Issue Facing Aviation

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Rapier108
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FIRST ON FOX The world's largest airline pilot union suggested airmen and women stop using terms purportedly offensive to women and LGBTQ individuals, calling out terms like "cockpit" as non-inclusive.

Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l, represents over 70,000 pilots worldwide and states that it collaborates with a United Nations agency on its policies. According to a diversity, equity and inclusion language guide released in 2021, the ALPA lists numerous terms and phrases to avoid especially "masculine generalizations" that it deemed to be non-inclusive.

"Inclusive language in communications is essential to our union's solidarity and collective strength and is an important factor in maintaining flight safety," the guide states. "The purpose of this language guide is to offer examples of terms and phrases that promote inclusion and equity."

ALPA, for example, suggested replacing the word "cockpit" with "flight deck." The purportedly offensive term "has been and may be used in a derogatory way to exclude women in the piloting profession," the guide states.

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Similarly, ALPA's guide called for the words "man" and "men" to be avoided. It offered suggestions for the word "manpower," including "people/human power."

"Who will provide the people/human power to support this event?" the guide stated as an example.

The guide also suggests avoiding using masculine terms, like "guys," when addressing groups, since the word is not inclusive of "women, transgender people and people with different gender identities."

ALPA advised against using "mother/father." That phrasing could alienate "different family structures, such as grandparents as caregivers, same-sex parents," among others. Similarly, "husband/wife" and "boyfriend/girlfriend" should be avoided since the phrases could ignore same-sex couples.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/pilot-union-suggests-phasing-masculine-terms-says-cockpit-father-offensive-dei-culture

Not worried at all about whether or not the pilots are competent and qualified enough to fly the aircraft filled with hundreds of people. No, what matters to these bozos is that everyone be forced to use newspeak so as not to offend the alphabet soup mafia.

There has already been one crash due to a wholly unqualified diversity hire (Atlas Air Flight 3591) and it is only a matter of time until there is another. Thankfully Atlas Air was a cargo plane and not filled with passengers, nor did it crash into a populated area.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
BenFiasco14
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Literally LOL'd at "cockpit"
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
BadMoonRisin
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why are alphabet people so mentally fragile? This is what they are fighting for now?
Tom Fox
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Lack of testosterone.
BigRobSA
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Newspeak

Always idiotic.
richardag
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The more you know:
Where Exactly Did the Term "Cockpit" Come From
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  • Interesting enough, there is also a connection that has nothing to do with deadly bird combat. It originates from the word coxswain, which was used to describe "the person in charge of a small vessel". It comes from "cock", which was an old English term for a small boat, and "swain" which is a servant. So simply put, a cockswain is a boat servant. Over time, the title led to the steering compartment of smaller boats where the cockswain sat, then the area became known as the cockpit. Of course, as other history fans may know, early aviation borrowed a lot of other terms from watercraft, which many believe to be the main source of the word cockpit as it's used today. …,,,

And the clown world marches on, idiots.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Ag-Yoakum95
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BadMoonRisin said:

why are alphabet people so mentally fragile? This is what they are fighting for now?


Because they have a mental issue.
doubledog
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Get rid of cockpit, let us call the flight deck the "butthurt"
GAC06
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Thinking "cockpit" isn't gender inclusive is as dumb as thinking sitting "Indian style" has something to do with native Americans.

So dumb.
CanyonAg77
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The first all-female Air Force C-17 crew jokingly announced that the cockpit for that flight would be called "The Box".

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"Inclusive language in communications is essential to our union's solidarity and collective strength and is an important factor in maintaining flight safety,

You want safety and strength? Let's use the standard terms that have been in place for well over 100 years, as opposed to adding unneeded change, stress, and conflict.

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Similarly, ALPA's guide called for the words "man" and "men" to be avoided. It offered suggestions for the word "manpower," including "people/human power."

Didn't the Air Force announce a few years ago that they were going to refer to all their members as "Airmen"? Male or Female, officer or enlisted, flying job or ground personnel, you're all airmen now.

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The guide also suggests avoiding using masculine terms, like "guys," when addressing groups, since the word is not inclusive of "women, transgender people and people with different gender identities."

Daughter was a rare female in the fighter pilot world. We were at a gathering where someone addressed the group she was in as "guys". I kidded her a little bit about it, and her take was that being "one of the guys" was 100% the best that could happen. It meant she was included and accepted, they recognized she wasn't a special snowflake, and didn't want or need special language.

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has nothing to do with deadly bird combat. It originates from the word coxswain,

Even if it were about cock fighting, it was referring to chickens, not male genitialia
Ellis Wyatt
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Most of these associations (unions) are nothing but liberal special interest advocacy groups. AARP and groups like it are the same.
Sharpshooter
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doubledog said:

Get rid of cockpit, let us call the flight deck the "butthurt"
At his point, I think Vag-vessel is more appropriate.
kag00
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Seriously, who is setting the agenda for these groups? Are they just that bored and looking for something to do? Where is the pushback when this garbage gets brought up?
CanyonAg77
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doubledog said:

Get rid of cockpit, let us call the flight deck the "butthurt"

We could go with

"It's the little room at the front of the plane where the pilots sit, but that's not important right now."

The Kraken
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Isn't a vagina a cockpit? Sounds inclusive to me.
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
CanyonAg77
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kag00 said:

Seriously, who is setting the agenda for these groups? Are they just that bored and looking for something to do? Where is the pushback when this garbage gets brought up?

Nobody gets raises or attention if they say "everything is fine". You get clicks and likes for saying everything sucks
Logos Stick
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For those who don't know the background and details on flight 3591, go watch Mentaur Pilot's full vid on it. He has multiple vids on it, so watch the one where he goes back in time on how the copilot ended up in the cockpit of that flight.

Scary.
MouthBQ98
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They aren't fragile. They are narcissistic and self absorbed and claiming offense gives them attention and power.
agsalaska
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BenFiasco14 said:

Literally LOL'd at "cockpit"


My mind is about as dirty as the next guys and I have never noticed the cock in cockpit.

Now I bet I never unsee it
Burdizzo
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I assumed the most pressing issues for commercial aviators involved improving the headspace between the lap and flight controls.


...a sexist would say
Rapier108
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kag00 said:

Seriously, who is setting the agenda for these groups? Are they just that bored and looking for something to do? Where is the pushback when this garbage gets brought up?
Leftists infiltrate every organization they can like the cancer they are. Then they start putting out crap like this.

It doesn't even have to be an organized conspiracy to do it. They are all marching in lockstep to the same ideology so they act accordingly.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Rapier108
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LOL, I think we're done here.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Aggie1944s Kid
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So glad I'm out of the clutches of that corrupt piece of crap union.
Fireman
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History must be an elective to these idiots, and obviously they chose cultural studies over history every time. I can't get over the stupidity of some folks.
TexAgs91
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Cockpit comes from the french word 'coque' meaning shell. The pilots union is showing their ignorance in their own field and should be laughed out of aviation. Stop listening to idiots like this and we can stop being an Idiocracy.
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
Ad Lunam
Ag with kids
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I'm in the unmanned aircraft system industry now...

Except it is now the UNCREWED aircraft system industry.

We had this discuss at one of our biannual standards group meetings a couple years ago...

I'm a voting member so it's really dumb that I have to review the changes made to all of our documents now to ensure that the terminology has been changed...

I'm waiting until some dumbass suggests we need to change the word "manual" to "personual" in our docs...
Madman
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I was thinking about buying you a cocktail but I am too busy working on this new monocoque design.

But I also noticed that cockerel chasing a cockroach around the behind the bar and I no longer want a drink.

Cockatiel, Cockapoo, and cockatoos to, can cause a cacophony in the cockpit.
Ag with kids
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Here's a pic of macaque...



Should send this to chiken...
fc2112
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The fact these people think the word "cockpit" has anything to do with male genitalia tells you all you need to know about them.
Ag with kids
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fc2112 said:

The fact these people think the word "cockpit" has anything to do with male genitalia tells you all you need to know about them.
Amen and Awomen!!!
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CanyonAg77 said:

kag00 said:

Seriously, who is setting the agenda for these groups? Are they just that bored and looking for something to do? Where is the pushback when this garbage gets brought up?

Nobody gets raises or attention if they say "everything is fine". You get clicks and likes for saying everything sucks
tell me you never saw the Lego movie without telling me you never saw the Lego movie.
coconutED
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Totally worth 2% of every paycheck
CanyonAg77
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That wasn't the real world though….
TTUArmy
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MouthBQ98 said:

They aren't fragile. They are narcissistic and self absorbed and claiming offense gives them attention and power.


So basically...bullies. Sometimes, bullies get their teeth pushed down their throat by someone fed up with their BS.
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Rapier108 said:

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FIRST ON FOX The world's largest airline pilot union suggested airmen and women stop using terms purportedly offensive to women and LGBTQ individuals, calling out terms like "cockpit" as non-inclusive.

Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l, represents over 70,000 pilots worldwide and states that it collaborates with a United Nations agency on its policies. According to a
diversity, equity and inclusion language guide released in 2021, the ALPA lists numerous terms and phrases to avoid especially "masculine generalizations" that it deemed to be non-inclusive.

"Inclusive language in communications is essential to our union's solidarity and collective strength and is an important factor in maintaining flight safety," the guide states. "The purpose of this language guide is to offer examples of terms and phrases that promote inclusion and equity."

ALPA, for example, suggested replacing the word "cockpit" with "flight deck." The purportedly offensive term "has been and may be used in a derogatory way to exclude women in the piloting profession," the guide states.

<snip>

Similarly, ALPA's guide called for the words "man" and "men" to be avoided. It offered suggestions for the word "manpower," including "people/human power."

"Who will provide the people/human power to support this event?" the guide stated as an example.

The guide also suggests avoiding using masculine terms, like "guys," when addressing groups, since the word is not inclusive of "women, transgender people and people with different gender identities."

ALPA advised against using "mother/father." That phrasing could alienate "different family structures, such as grandparents as caregivers, same-sex parents," among others. Similarly, "husband/wife" and "boyfriend/girlfriend" should be avoided since the phrases could ignore same-sex couples.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/pilot-union-suggests-phasing-masculine-terms-says-cockpit-father-offensive-dei-culture

Not worried at all about whether or not the pilots are competent and qualified enough to fly the aircraft filled with hundreds of people. No, what matters to these bozos is that everyone be forced to use newspeak so as not to offend the alphabet soup mafia.

There has already been one crash due to a wholly unqualified diversity hire (Atlas Air Flight 3591) and it is only a matter of time until there is another. Thankfully Atlas Air was a cargo plane and not filled with passengers, nor did it crash into a populated area.

They can **** right off.
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