This really doesn't surprise me, but bet it does [Plastic Recycling]

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BCG Disciple
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Unfortunately this video tells us nothing but that the sorters properly worked. His other tests show it going to the center and "getting crushed" per him.

Now, I'm not saying it doesn't go like we all think and that the laundering through a facility step is just for show. I'm just saying the video tells us nothing.
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Apache
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As all have said, the current recycling model is a joke.

What isn't a joke is all the damn plastic, especially micro and nanoplastics, everywhere. Scientists are just now starting to figure out how it gets into everything & everywhere, including inside our bodies impacting our body chemistry. It is very similar to how leaded gas, paint, etc. caused incalculable impacts to the world. Instead of tackling the problem, it is exponentially getting worse.
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Now researchers are discovering that microplastics are floating around us.

They are suspended in the air on city streets and inside homes. One study found that people inhale or ingest on average 74,000 to 121,000 microplastic particles per year through breathing, eating and drinking.
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In laboratory tests on human cells, microplastics can cause tissue damage, allergic reactions and even cell death. The chemicals in plastics like phthalates or bisphenol A have also been shown to cause hormonal imbalances and disrupt the reproductive system. In mice, microplastics can cause behavioral changes and reproductive problems and can inhibit learning and memory. Researchers also recently discovered that certain cancer cells spread at an accelerated rate after exposure to microplastics; they are now looking into whether microplastics could help trigger early-onset cancer.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/microplastics-air-human-body-organs-spread/

It is a real environmental issue that needs to be addressed. Makes me sick to see rivers of bottles in the SE Asia flowing into the Pacific.
What to do? AI & robotics in the near future can make sorting the plastic crap more efficient. I've also read about certain bacteria will consume plastics, which could be exploited to rid of us all the waste.

Perhaps some tax breaks & public campaigns for more reusable, biodegradable or metal cans could be helpful. Unlike the nebulous & suspect global warming reduction efforts, trash & pollution are everywhere and are impacting the entire planet now. I tend to think that the lack of money available to fleece from the industry is what keeps politicians from pushing the issue. We all suffer as a result.
Nanomachines son
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The only reason I even use my recycling trash container is because it is used to contain paper, cardboard, and plastics that won't fit in my trash can. It's just for other kinds of trash and I don't really care where it gets sent.

The best way to dispose of plastics is to burn it for power at a garbage burner but those are now bad so it just goes into landfills.
Logos Stick
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I haven't watched the vid yet, but China stopped taking our plastics several years back. It's now shipped abroad to places like Malaysia where its dumped on their land. That why I stopped recycling altogether.
Cromagnum
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My wife is a stickler for sorting and taking things to our recyclers. It makes her feel better but I just call all of that stuff "fancy trash" because it's just going to go in the pile right beside all the other crap eventually.
Jason C.
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If you want to "recycle" and get the mental benefits from that the don't buy plastics.
agracer
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China was just putting them in a landfill anyway.
AggieDruggist89
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I don't recycle. It's for dummies. It increases entropy anyways. Here's one of the greatest modern philosophers George Carlin on plastic.

No Spin Ag
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I never recycled, even when many of my friends started. It seemed a waste of time when countries like China and India, and pretty much every third world country, don't.

It seemed like putting a drop of water on a fire then patting myself on my back because I did something.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
agracer
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Apache said:

As all have said, the current recycling model is a joke.

What isn't a joke is all the damn plastic, especially micro and nanoplastics, everywhere. Scientists are just now starting to figure out how it gets into everything & everywhere, including inside our bodies impacting our body chemistry. It is very similar to how leaded gas, paint, etc. caused incalculable impacts to the world. Instead of tackling the problem, it is exponentially getting worse.
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Now researchers are discovering that microplastics are floating around us.

They are suspended in the air on city streets and inside homes. One study found that people inhale or ingest on average 74,000 to 121,000 microplastic particles per year through breathing, eating and drinking.
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In laboratory tests on human cells, microplastics can cause tissue damage, allergic reactions and even cell death. The chemicals in plastics like phthalates or bisphenol A have also been shown to cause hormonal imbalances and disrupt the reproductive system. In mice, microplastics can cause behavioral changes and reproductive problems and can inhibit learning and memory. Researchers also recently discovered that certain cancer cells spread at an accelerated rate after exposure to microplastics; they are now looking into whether microplastics could help trigger early-onset cancer.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/microplastics-air-human-body-organs-spread/

It is a real environmental issue that needs to be addressed. Makes me sick to see rivers of bottles in the SE Asia flowing into the Pacific.
What to do? AI & robotics in the near future can make sorting the plastic crap more efficient. I've also read about certain bacteria will consume plastics, which could be exploited to rid of us all the waste.

Perhaps some tax breaks & public campaigns for more reusable, biodegradable or metal cans could be helpful. Unlike the nebulous & suspect global warming reduction efforts, trash & pollution are everywhere and are impacting the entire planet now. I tend to think that the lack of money available to fleece from the industry is what keeps politicians from pushing the issue. We all suffer as a result.

The crazy amount of plastic water bottles in use to day just dumb founds me. We didn't have those in the 70's/80's. We used a refillable water bottle (yes plastic) or just drank out of the garden hose. We used refillable water bottles for my kids' growing up and almost never had the clear plastic bottles that got thrown in the trash.

Explain to me again why we need to put our water in a small plastic bottle and cannot just drink out of a glass?
AggieDruggist89
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Recycling is a weak minded liberal behavior of self moral superiority. Just burn all trash. Need more CO2 anyways. Earth is still too damn cold.
YouBet
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The best thing about recycling is that it gives me access to two trash cans. If we didn't have two cans, we would have **** piling up on the ground waiting for Monday to roll around each week.
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AgGrad99 said:


In Austin, my company has to submit a 'recycling plan' annually, in accordance with the city's Universal Recycling Ordinance. We have to detail where all the recycle bins are, and are required to have as much recycling access as waste (or a required percentage...I cant recall).

This means we have to have to double our waste costs, because we're now required to have a separate recycle bin outside our facility, no more than 25 feet away from the waste bin.

We also have to document the percentage of recycled material versus waste material.

violating this results in $2,000 per day, per offense.

So, the city is taking in revenue via a tax/fines. The Waste Management companies doubled their revenue when the mandate occurred (double the number of required bins/services)...and none of the material is actually getting recycled.

This is just like taking all the trash from my street, and dumping 2 streets over...and patting ourselves on the back for cleaning up our environment.



Like PAYING MORE FOR UNRELIABLE ENERGY because you eliminated coal and natural gas in the US and then buying products overseas powered by coal.
BrazosDog02
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Recycling is an awesome idea. It really is. There shouldn't be anyone that disagrees with the idea. The sad fact is that it's not not that practical. Just like I'm not buying a 12 dollar burger from McDonald's because someone wants 20 bucks an hour, you're not going to pay more for your orange juice because they want to use recycled plastics.

I've always considered recycling to be like trying to reuse an old house materials to build a new house. Is it cheaper and faster to disassemble it, pull nails, stack, reused plumbing and tile….or push it to the ground and start over? The answer is the second one.

I think the better idea is to use biodegradable containers for consumables.
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Breggy Popup said:

While I believe that somewhere between zero and a lot of stuff in the bins gets recycled, this guy's "experiment" is ruhtarded. That GPS tracker is going to get filtered out of any real facility and sent to the dump.

Exactly. Why would you be surprised the tracker ended up at a dump?

I'm actually impressed tha it went to a recycling center first. Of course the tracker got separated or that entire lot was deemed unusable - because of the tracker. Either way the tracker was going to end up at the dump.



Zombie Jon Snow
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Reminds me of a time back in the late 90s when we first all got recycling blue bins at the office for paper, bottles, etc. So now we had 2 cans. Great.

I stayed late one night and watched the custodian go around and dump both bins in the same giant trolley bin. lol


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BrazosDog02 said:

I think the better idea is to use biodegradable containers for consumables.

At minimum, stop the over-packaging. Some things I buy are sealed in plastic that is so impervious to opening, that it is dangerous. Scissors won't cut it, knives barely will.
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This is nothing new. There has been very little plastic 'recycling' since China stopped taking the plastic. We have also since discovered that some of the Chinese recycling firms were actually dumping the trash.

Plastic recycling never made sense regardless. Too much energy required. Metal and paper/cardboard are good to recycle. Not sure about glass.
You can't fix stupid.
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CanyonAg77 said:

BrazosDog02 said:

I think the better idea is to use biodegradable containers for consumables.

At minimum, stop the over-packaging. Some things I buy are sealed in plastic that is so impervious to opening, that it is dangerous. Scissors won't cut it, knives barely will.


Hahaha…the kind of stuff that you are at serious risk of personal bodily injury trying to open. Clamshell packaging for a pair of scissors, for instance. It's closed and plastic spot welded all the way around. The package must cost as much as the damn product!!! I'm with you. It's crazy. How about no package, just drop the damn thing in a box and let's go.
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BrazosDog02 said:

Recycling is an awesome idea. It really is. There shouldn't be anyone that disagrees with the idea.
Like getting the vaxx, recycling became some sort of ideological cudgel along the way. And as with the vaxx, you see millions of bots doing it faithfully without questioning what they're actually doing.

If more resources are being utilized in the "recycling" process, it isn't actually better for the environment.
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Do disheartening cause the gays love recycling.
BigRobSA
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CanyonAg77 said:

BrazosDog02 said:

I think the better idea is to use biodegradable containers for consumables.

At minimum, stop the over-packaging. Some things I buy are sealed in plastic that is so impervious to opening, that it is dangerous. Scissors won't cut it, knives barely will.


You are always right. I guess if "With age, comes wisdom" is true you're the world's wisest mofo, ever.

When I'm not in the hospital, I'm cursing the over packaging I'm having to pick up, every night, at the Apts I work. It's ridiculous.
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TRADUCTOR said:

Do disheartening cause the gays love recycling.


Can confirm. LOLgays go HAM on it. And Asian chicks.
Logos Stick
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Ellis Wyatt said:

BrazosDog02 said:

Recycling is an awesome idea. It really is. There shouldn't be anyone that disagrees with the idea.
Like getting the vaxx, recycling became some sort of ideological cudgel along the way. And as with the vaxx, you see millions of bots doing it faithfully without questioning what they're actually doing.

If more resources are being utilized in the "recycling" process, it isn't actually better for the environment.

And even if you show them the truth, that the stuff is getting dumped, they won't believe it. It's like their devotion to Fauci. Despite the clear evidence that he lied to cover up his GOF research and made up crap as he went (masks and social distancing), they almost worship the dude. It's cult like.
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BigRobSA said:

Matt Hooper said:


Aluminum, glass (as examples) are more economically sensible/practical to recycle - and I would speculate are far more common to continue to get recycled because.....$$$$$$.


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Nope.

It's cheaper to get new ore smelted into usable aluminum and glass is cheaper to get made new.

Most people don't follow the "rules" that recycling truly needs. The bottles, both glass and plastic, need cleaned and dried. No plastic wrap or bags of any kind, as they **** up the machinery. No food remnants on anything. Etc.

It's a lot of work.
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easy for residents to dump their "recyclables" into a bin, think they're doing something good, and not think about the business behind it.

Clean cardboard - there's a market for it. Brokers will buy bails of clean cardboard, bails get transported to paper mills and used in the processing and manufacturing of new paper/cardboard products. China's paper mills have increased their standard on how clean it has to be and now they accept less material from the US since most of the US uses single stream recycling that is all mixed up first then sorted inaccurately, so a lot of our paper/cardboard recycling now goes to SE Asia or S. America paper mills instead of Chinese ones. The Canadian and US paper mills take it, but they're at capacity. Regardless, there is a worthwhile market for the efforts to collect/haul clean cardboard, sort it, bail it, and sell it so residents in municipalities don't have to fully pay for double the garbage trucks, drivers, maintenance, sorting equipment and laborers, etc. The Clean Cardboard market is a commodity that goes up and down and can be quite volatile, so it's still a risky business when the price is down and it costs more to collect and sort than what they make selling the bails.

Metals - there's a market for those too, with indexed risky/volatile commodity prices as well. This material can be smelted down and used in the process to make other things at a cost benefit to the buyers and sellers. Again, trash companies who collect, sort, and bail it, have to have brokers to sell it to, who have to have relationships with plants/mills willing to buy it because it's cheaper to mix in used material than buy or mine all new feedstock for whatever they're manufacturing.

Glass- there's no market. Used glass can be "recycled". It can be crushed into sand and used for various purposes. However, the cost for collecting, sorting, and crushing glass far outweighs any price for selling yards of crushed glass and any business out there with a purpose for it can just go buy higher volumes of sand elsewhere for cheaper. Further, as glass containers are dumped in a bin, then dumped in a truck, then dumped at a sorting facility, then run through all the sorting lines, conveyor belts, etc., it breaks into big shards before it's actually crushed, and ruins expensive sorting equipment, making it even worse to "recycle".

Plastics - there's minimal market for it. Some plants will buy bails of certain types of plastics to melt and reuse in their manufacturing processes, but again, volatile commodity market, brokers need to find buyers, any contaminated or dirty material gets sorted and diverted to the landfill, etc.
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DrEvazanPhD said:

BigRobSA said:

Matt Hooper said:


Aluminum, glass (as examples) are more economically sensible/practical to recycle - and I would speculate are far more common to continue to get recycled because.....$$$$$$.


N
Nope.

It's cheaper to get new ore smelted into usable aluminum and glass is cheaper to get made new.

Most people don't follow the "rules" that recycling truly needs. The bottles, both glass and plastic, need cleaned and dried. No plastic wrap or bags of any kind, as they **** up the machinery. No food remnants on anything. Etc.

It's a lot of work.


I friggin' LOL-ed, you dog whistling sumbeech!
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Yes , his language is clearly programmed but to his credit at least he was interested enough to try to find out the truth. Granted , the truth has been apparent for some time but he bothered to verify what he clearly suspected .
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halfastros81 said:

Yes , his language is clearly programmed but to his credit at least he was interested enough to try to find out the truth. Granted , the truth has been apparent for some time but he bothered to verify what he clearly suspected .
I don't know if that video in OP proved anything. His tracking device ended up in a landfill... was it diverted because of a sorting error? Was the bottle he put it in dirty and diverted intentionally by a laborer? Did magnets in the sorting line pick up components in the tracking device? Was the sorting line down that day so all volume had to be diverted to the landfill until the equipment was back up and running? The man said in the video he'd tried other tests and the devices all got crushed- presumably those ones could have been appropriately bailed and sold off to be recycled into something new- he doesn't know.

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BigRobSA said:

Matt Hooper said:


Aluminum, glass (as examples) are more economically sensible/practical to recycle - and I would speculate are far more common to continue to get recycled because.....$$$$$$.


N
Nope.

It's cheaper to get new ore smelted into usable aluminum and glass is cheaper to get made new.

Most people don't follow the "rules" that recycling truly needs. The bottles, both glass and plastic, need cleaned and dried. No plastic wrap or bags of any kind, as they **** up the machinery. No food remnants on anything. Etc.

It's a lot of work.


Glass re-use makes way more sense than "recycling" which is just Re melting and remolding it, which is a huge waste of energy vs just cleaning and reusing glass bottles. The problem is every brand wants a unique bottle, so there's not enough standardization.

I'm a fan of replacing plastics with biodegradable materials.
BrazosDog02
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That's an interesting point. Standardized bottles and payment or discount for returned bottles could be a thing. I mean, we used to collect bottles for exactly this purpose at our local Bottling Works growing up. When I my homemade products, I request people give my bottles back and I give them a small discount on my product.
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CanyonAg77 said:

BrazosDog02 said:

I think the better idea is to use biodegradable containers for consumables.

At minimum, stop the over-packaging. Some things I buy are sealed in plastic that is so impervious to opening, that it is dangerous. Scissors won't cut it, knives barely will.


Ah but see this isn't a problem caused by liberals' desire to recycle, this is a problem caused by liberals' desire to have thieves go unpunished.
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BCG Disciple said:

Unfortunately this video tells us nothing but that the sorters properly worked. His other tests show it going to the center and "getting crushed" per him.

Now, I'm not saying it doesn't go like we all think and that the laundering through a facility step is just for show. I'm just saying the video tells us nothing.
Agreed.

But I'm wondering why, if there's still a thing called investigative reporting, that a damn reporter doesn't get in their car with their phone and follow a few recycling trucks. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out what is happening to the stuff in the recycle bin with just a little bit of effort.

Too bad our "journalists" no longer investigate.

Ahh, for the days of Fletch....
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BrazosDog02 said:

That's an interesting point. Standardized bottles and payment or discount for returned bottles could be a thing.
There are areas where this is still done. It probably is the most responsible way to reduce waste.
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