redeyeone said:

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You dont get to the reckless part unless you have the intent.

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There's another statute that doesn't require intent to gratify

"42.01(10) exposes his anus or genitals in a public place and is reckless about whether another may be present who will be offended or alarmed by his act;"

So no, not just like Oregon

Tom Fox said:

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redeyeone said:

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You dont get to the reckless part unless you have the intent.

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That person would be arrested in the majority of Texas counties. Certainly out here in West Texas.

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He wouldn't be arrested near my kids. He'd be scraped up off the ground.

Portland is the future of life will look like if the dems keep winning. And it only gets worse from there.

JaxDad said:

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Instead of covering the kid's eyes he should have kicked the dude in the junk. Repeatedly. See if that dude calls the cops or just goes away.

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Baseball spikes can be used for more than playing a game.

Tom Fox said:

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redeyeone said:

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You dont get to the reckless part unless you have the intent.

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What was left ofthat person would be arrested in the majority of Texas counties. Certainly out here in West Texas.

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FIFY

Mas89 said:

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He needs a paintball gun.

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Iodide paint... Leave a permanent mark.
Brand cheek of offender.
Castration.

Just a few suggestions ...

deddog said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Posters who tell us how amazing Biden is never appear on the threads describing the consequences of their vote

So weird

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Joe Biden doesn't see why this is problematic.
Neither do his supporters.
Once you've accepted that, it all makes sense.

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if joe biden wasn't president and he didn't have handlers with him 24/7 you can't tell me he wouldn't do this very act. this is definately a joe biden type of move.

Is your private property a "public place"?

"42.01(10) exposes his anus or genitals in a public place and is reckless about whether another may be present who will be offended or alarmed by his act;"

Oh, and 42.01(10) carries a maximum penalty of a 500 fine. Seems kinda a low penalty for a guy exposing himself to a kid, if it would even apply.

The point, again, is that we all watched the video and assume that could never happen here because we have laws to stop this in our great state of Texas. But, none of you looked at our statutes. They are worded similarly. The enforcement of those statutes is what will matter. There are 254 counties in Texas, how that staute is enforced where you live will be what matters. Unless there is a change to the law. Personally, I dont think the law should rely on someone's arousal or gratification. I think once you expose yourself to someone else that should do it.

Lazy cops could have easily charged this guy. They're just lazy and worthless in this case.

Tom Fox said:

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redeyeone said:

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You dont get to the reckless part unless you have the intent.

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That person would be arrested in the majority of Texas counties. Certainly out here in West Texas.

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They'd likely be free to go in Harris, Travis, Bexar, Williamson and Hays counties.

I don't have children but I'm trying to imagine some nude idiot walking up to my brother's kids on his property in East Texas.....that person would not be leaving the property except in a body bag.

redeyeone said:

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Oh, and 42.01(10) carries a maximum penalty of a 500 fine. Seems kinda a low penalty for a guy exposing himself to a kid, if it would even apply.

The point, again, is that we all watched the video and assume that could never happen here because we have laws to stop this in our great state of Texas. But, none of you looked at our statutes. They are worded similarly. The enforcement of those statutes is what will matter. There are 254 counties in Texas, how that staute is enforced where you live will be what matters. Unless there is a change to the law. Personally, I dont think the law should rely on someone's arousal or gratification. I think once you expose yourself to someone else that should do it.

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Statutes is only part of the equation. Here in Texas, we still have a somewhat unique ideology on life. We often joke about "**** around, find out". I've been in and lived numerous places, Texas is the closest to a living, breathing embodiment of that.

Lawful, or not, if someone were to expose themselves to my 5yo son, I wouldn't think "Is he abiding by statutes?". That switch would flip, and I'd do everything within my power to end his life with my bare hands and any concrete nearby. My childhood was marred by sexual things and I'll be damned if I'm going to let some depraved ****stick marring my son's.

Still waiting to hear how approaching a kid on the kid's property would not be considered for sexual gratification. It's a textbook creeper move; these creeps get off on being seen by children.

Is he supposed to announce " I AM DOING THIS FOR SEXUAL GRATIFICATION!"?

redeyeone said:

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Sec. 21.08. INDECENT EXPOSURE. (a) A person commits an offense if he exposes his anus or any part of his genitals with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person, and he is reckless about whether another is present who will be offended or alarmed by his act.

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Well, sounds like doing it in front of some kid is pretty reckless. As is continuing when dad shows up.

redeyeone said:

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Is your private property a "public place"?

"42.01(10) exposes his anus or genitals in a public place and is reckless about whether another may be present who will be offended or alarmed by his act;"

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So, how did they get to the private property?

Oh yeah...by crossing a public place.

BTKAG97 said:

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redeyeone said:

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The law in Texas is pretty much written the same way.

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A person commits an offense if he exposes his anus or any part of his genitals with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person, and he is reckless about whether another is present who will be offended or alarmed by his act.

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Text needs an or instead of an and to start the second phrase.

I bet the laws are written that way so some dude taking a leak by a tree outside does not go to jail. But, this guy had to have been doing it for sexual pleasure. Why else would one do such a thing.

At its core, the dems have been taken over by child predators

no excuse for people in blue states. You voted for this crap. Own it. Guarantee this guy voted for at least Obama.

"I bet the laws are written that way so some dude taking a leak by a tree outside does not go to jail. But, this guy had to have been doing it for sexual pleasure. Why else would one do such a thing."

This is the reason we have the disorderly conduct statute cited earlier. I had some friends get one for pissing on a building on the way back from the Chicken. Each got a ticket.

Oregon"s indecent exposure law:

(1)A person commits the crime of public indecency if while in, or in view of, a public place the person performs:
(a)An act of sexual intercourse;
(b)An act of oral or anal sexual intercourse;
(c)Masturbation; or
(d)An act of exposing the genitals of the person with the intent of arousing the sexual desire of the person or another person.

Texas indecent exposure law:

Sec. 21.08. INDECENT EXPOSURE. (a) A person commits an offense if he exposes his anus or any part of his genitals with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person, and he is reckless about whether another is present who will be offended or alarmed by his act.

They are written similarly. I think instead of trying to defend this statute it should be changed to eleminate this extra element of the crime.

Captain Pablo said:

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redeyeone said:

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You dont get to the reckless part unless you have the intent.

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There's another statute that doesn't require intent to gratify

"42.01(10) exposes his anus or genitals in a public place and is reckless about whether another may be present who will be offended or alarmed by his act;"

So no, not just like Oregon

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Lazy cops could have easily charged this guy. They're just lazy and worthless in this case.

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The cops probably know that even if he was arrested, he would not be charged by the DA.

Most police want to do their jobs but are stymied by "progressive" DA's like the one in Portland, which is being challenged by a non progressive and is leading.

redeyeone said:

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Is your private property a "public place"?

"42.01(10) exposes his anus or genitals in a public place and is reckless about whether another may be present who will be offended or alarmed by his act;"

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It can be

If you're on private property and passersby can see you wagging your thing, then yes

"Public Place" is not synonymous with "Public, government owned property"

redeyeone said:

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"I bet the laws are written that way so some dude taking a leak by a tree outside does not go to jail. But, this guy had to have been doing it for sexual pleasure. Why else would one do such a thing."

This is the reason we have the disorderly conduct statute cited earlier. I had some friends get one for pissing on a building on the way back from the Chicken. Each got a ticket.

Oregon"s indecent exposure law:

(1)A person commits the crime of public indecency if while in, or in view of, a public place the person performs:
(a)An act of sexual intercourse;
(b)An act of oral or anal sexual intercourse;
(c)Masturbation; or
(d)An act of exposing the genitals of the person with the intent of arousing the sexual desire of the person or another person.

Texas indecent exposure law:

Sec. 21.08. INDECENT EXPOSURE. (a) A person commits an offense if he exposes his anus or any part of his genitals with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person, and he is reckless about whether another is present who will be offended or alarmed by his act.

They are written similarly. I think instead of trying to defend this statute it should be changed to eleminate this extra element of the crime.

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There's already a statute on the books. No need to change the proscribed conduct in 42.01

Just bump the punishment

Again, Texas =/= Oregon

We already have a statute criminalizing exposing genitalia, with or without sexual gratification

AH THE PLOT THICKENS!!!

Turns out this was a WOMAN, and there is no mention that I've seen, that the woman exposed her genitalia

And it may surprise you all that there is no Texas State Statute, at least that I know of, that specifically prohibits a person, male or female, from simply exposing breasts. There are cities with ordinances, but not state law specifically outlawing breast exposure. I think jurisdictions have used the general "breach of peace" section, but no statute exists to criminalize simply the act of exposing breasts

So here in Oregon, the "rest of the story" is we have a woman who was wearing an unbuttoned "skirt dress". This woman is known in the neighborhood, and neighbors have complained. Possibly mentally Ill as officers offered her mental health assistance, when they spoke to her at her home. Officers did warn her that future problems could end in a trespass charge

We don't know what was exposed. Pubic hair? Boobs? Buttocks? Nothing I've seen said she was exposing genitalia.

Soooo yeah, pitchforks in hand, whether you agree or disagree, this was NOT some perverted dude wagging his wanker at a 2 year old, and this may or may have not even been a crime in Texas, had it occurred here

Clip left out a lot of details, to say the least

And OP was misleading, perhaps if only being presumptive

frenchtoast said:

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Seattle has similar nudity laws. As long as you aren't engaged in lewd conduct, you could walk around with nothing on at all. I'd never do it, but I dont have a huge problem with it, either. It's just a body, made in Gods image.

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Obviously you don't have children, but let's imagine you did...your little boy or girl is out playing in your front yard, on a residential street, some fully nude man comes up to the sidewalk in front of your yard and starts dancing and swinging his weiner back and forth (not in a sexual manner, just dancing and having fun)...would you still be goaltending for such degeneracy? And if he approached your small daughter IN YOUR OWN YARD, it would just be trespassing?

Weird that you have zero problem with what was posted in the OP. I'd have a hard time not shooting the MF'er myself. The only thing that may make me think twice is possibly being separated from my family for a long time...nut instinctually, I would want to kill and feel like it would be totally justified.

Captain Pablo said:

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AH THE PLOT THICKENS!!!

Turns out this was a WOMAN, and there is no mention that I've seen, that the woman exposed her genitalia

And it may surprise you all that there is no Texas State Statute, at least that I know of, that specifically prohibits a person, male or female, from simply exposing breasts. There are cities with ordinances, but not state law specifically outlawing breast exposure. I think jurisdictions have used the general "breach of peace" section, but no statute exists to criminalize simply the act of exposing breasts

So here in Oregon, the "rest of the story" is we have a woman who was wearing an unbuttoned "skirt dress". This woman is known in the neighborhood, and neighbors have complained. Possibly mentally Ill as officers offered her mental health assistance, when they spoke to her at her home. Officers did warn her that future problems could end in a trespass charge

We don't know what was exposed. Pubic hair? Boobs? Buttocks? Nothing I've seen said she was exposing genitalia.

Soooo yeah, pitchforks in hand, whether you agree or disagree, this was NOT some perverted dude wagging his wanker at a 2 year old, and this may or may have not even been a crime in Texas, had it occurred here

Clip left out a lot of details, to say the least

And OP was misleading, perhaps if only being presumptive

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So the dude in the OP is lying when he says someone came up to his child "completely naked"? It was just a liberal (aka mentally ill) woman who may have been showing cleavage or something along those lines? Got a trustworthy link?

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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AH THE PLOT THICKENS!!!

Turns out this was a WOMAN, and there is no mention that I've seen, that the woman exposed her genitalia

And it may surprise you all that there is no Texas State Statute, at least that I know of, that specifically prohibits a person, male or female, from simply exposing breasts. There are cities with ordinances, but not state law specifically outlawing breast exposure. I think jurisdictions have used the general "breach of peace" section, but no statute exists to criminalize simply the act of exposing breasts

So here in Oregon, the "rest of the story" is we have a woman who was wearing an unbuttoned "skirt dress". This woman is known in the neighborhood, and neighbors have complained. Possibly mentally Ill as officers offered her mental health assistance, when they spoke to her at her home. Officers did warn her that future problems could end in a trespass charge

We don't know what was exposed. Pubic hair? Boobs? Buttocks? Nothing I've seen said she was exposing genitalia.

Soooo yeah, pitchforks in hand, whether you agree or disagree, this was NOT some perverted dude wagging his wanker at a 2 year old, and this may or may have not even been a crime in Texas, had it occurred here

Clip left out a lot of details, to say the least

And OP was misleading, perhaps if only being presumptive

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So the dude in the OP is lying when he says someone came up to his child "completely naked"? It was just a liberal (aka mentally ill) woman who may have been showing cleavage or something along those lines? Got a trustworthy link?

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Dunno. What if she was naked?

Crime? What facts do YOU have that makes it a crime?

Funny you'd question ANY source, yet have no problem with a completely misleading IP saying this was a man exposing himself

Here's a link bro

https://www.centraloregondaily.com/news/local/bend-police-public-nudity-naked-woman-body-camera-video/article_8290020e-2490-11ef-9be1-f3673d2aa85f.html

Captain Pablo said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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AH THE PLOT THICKENS!!!

Turns out this was a WOMAN, and there is no mention that I've seen, that the woman exposed her genitalia

And it may surprise you all that there is no Texas State Statute, at least that I know of, that specifically prohibits a person, male or female, from simply exposing breasts. There are cities with ordinances, but not state law specifically outlawing breast exposure. I think jurisdictions have used the general "breach of peace" section, but no statute exists to criminalize simply the act of exposing breasts

So here in Oregon, the "rest of the story" is we have a woman who was wearing an unbuttoned "skirt dress". This woman is known in the neighborhood, and neighbors have complained. Possibly mentally Ill as officers offered her mental health assistance, when they spoke to her at her home. Officers did warn her that future problems could end in a trespass charge

We don't know what was exposed. Pubic hair? Boobs? Buttocks? Nothing I've seen said she was exposing genitalia.

Soooo yeah, pitchforks in hand, whether you agree or disagree, this was NOT some perverted dude wagging his wanker at a 2 year old, and this may or may have not even been a crime in Texas, had it occurred here

Clip left out a lot of details, to say the least

And OP was misleading, perhaps if only being presumptive

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So the dude in the OP is lying when he says someone came up to his child "completely naked"? It was just a liberal (aka mentally ill) woman who may have been showing cleavage or something along those lines? Got a trustworthy link?

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Dunno. What if she was naked?

Crime? What facts do YOU have that makes it a crime?

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If someone approaches my child in my yard, completely naked or even half naked, I do not care about the legaltiy of it. I don't care if it is drugs, perversion, or they belong in a psych ward. They are getting beat down. I am not calling the cops. My neighbors can. Daddy might be going to jail in that scenario.

Let's for the sake of argument, a fully naked man is dancing on the sidewalk, just a few feet away from your child. You are totally fine with this and you and your child just carry on as normal because no laws are being broken? If he approaches your child in your yard and tries to talk to him from 3 feet away, with p3nis dangling, youre fatherly instinct is, "come on man, please don't trespass in our yard, take it to the sidewalk"? LOL

I watched the body cam

Looks like officers handled it well

Our hero, not so much. Calls the officers nothing but "****ing pigs"

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Here's a link bro

https://www.centraloregondaily.com/news/local/bend-police-public-nudity-naked-woman-body-camera-video/article_8290020e-2490-11ef-9be1-f3673d2aa85f.html

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Wait, where in that video does it claim that the men were lying and that she was not exposing herself to children?

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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AH THE PLOT THICKENS!!!

Turns out this was a WOMAN, and there is no mention that I've seen, that the woman exposed her genitalia

And it may surprise you all that there is no Texas State Statute, at least that I know of, that specifically prohibits a person, male or female, from simply exposing breasts. There are cities with ordinances, but not state law specifically outlawing breast exposure. I think jurisdictions have used the general "breach of peace" section, but no statute exists to criminalize simply the act of exposing breasts

So here in Oregon, the "rest of the story" is we have a woman who was wearing an unbuttoned "skirt dress". This woman is known in the neighborhood, and neighbors have complained. Possibly mentally Ill as officers offered her mental health assistance, when they spoke to her at her home. Officers did warn her that future problems could end in a trespass charge

We don't know what was exposed. Pubic hair? Boobs? Buttocks? Nothing I've seen said she was exposing genitalia.

Soooo yeah, pitchforks in hand, whether you agree or disagree, this was NOT some perverted dude wagging his wanker at a 2 year old, and this may or may have not even been a crime in Texas, had it occurred here

Clip left out a lot of details, to say the least

And OP was misleading, perhaps if only being presumptive

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So the dude in the OP is lying when he says someone came up to his child "completely naked"? It was just a liberal (aka mentally ill) woman who may have been showing cleavage or something along those lines? Got a trustworthy link?

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Dunno. What if she was naked?

Crime? What facts do YOU have that makes it a crime?

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If someone approaches my child in my yard, completely naked or even half naked, I do not care about the legaltiy of it. I don't care if it is drugs, perversion, or they belong in a psych ward. They are getting beat down. I am not calling the cops. My neighbors can. Daddy might be going to jail in that scenario.

Let's for the sake of argument, a fully naked man is dancing on the sidewalk, just a few feet away from your child. You are totally fine with this and you and your child just carry on as normal because no laws are being broken?

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Dude you have a problem with comprehension

Yes we are talking legalities here. What you would do to this woman is your business, and your consequences

In your hypothetical, I didn't say I'd be ok with it, and it would be a crime, in Texas, as I've said previously in this thread.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Here's a link bro

https://www.centraloregondaily.com/news/local/bend-police-public-nudity-naked-woman-body-camera-video/article_8290020e-2490-11ef-9be1-f3673d2aa85f.html

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Wait, where in that video does it claim that the men were lying and that she was not exposing herself to children?

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I didn't say the men were lying. Maybe she was completely naked, maybe partially

The issue is what was exposed

Catch up, son