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1. Video depicts a graphic detention of an autistic man who freaked out and died while in police custody. 2. I believe the actions of the cops were just fine. 3. I am posting it to prompt discussion on the matters involved in the video.

NEW: Video released shows terrified 19-year-old autistic teen Isaiah Trammell being taunted, threatened, and stripped naked before fatally injuring himself.

Trammell was arrested in March of 2023 after suffering from a mental health episode.

Trammell was begging for his… pic.twitter.com/iOO1Xr66cM

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) June 4, 2024

Jeez. This is a wild video. I think the cops were completely in bounds on this one. If they knew the dude was autistic maybe they could have taken a different approach, but regardless he was a threat to others and himself (ahem).

Side note: bros, I honestly don't remember this many autistic folks when I was growing up. They say diagnostics have improved. But I don't know. Did people just lock them in a basement. Seriously, you think Boo Radley autistic?

Autism is a very large spectrum now and includes a lot of people that were just considered socially awkward back in the day. My oldest daughter recently got diagnosed with level 1 (I think that's right, just minor autism) and it is primarily due to her social and emotional difficulties. But by no means would anyone meet her and not consider her normal. Just a little awkward maybe. It's the new ADD

There's more levels of diagnosis for autism (spectrum). Many of which you wouldn't know even had it by just observing them.

Does not count…poor autistic kid was not a person of color. No news at 6.

I didn't see any egregious behavior on the police's part.

COD?

I'm not sure. But probably something with his head.

White male, who cares.

Black male, it becomes an election swinging event.

Looks like he was put in a suicide gown. Then when they put him in five point chair they took the gown off. It sure the reason but guessing there is something with the restraints and the suicide gown.

BigRobSA said:

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I didn't see any egregious behavior on the police's part.

COD?

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Do we know his vax status?

General Jack D. Ripper said:

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For the mods: 1. Video depicts a graphic detention of an autistic man who freaked out and died while in police custody. 2. I believe the actions of the cops were just fine. 3. I am posting it to prompt discussion on the matters involved in the video.

NEW: Video released shows terrified 19-year-old autistic teen Isaiah Trammell being taunted, threatened, and stripped naked before fatally injuring himself.

Trammell was arrested in March of 2023 after suffering from a mental health episode.

Trammell was begging for his… pic.twitter.com/iOO1Xr66cM

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) June 4, 2024

Jeez. This is a wild video. I think the cops were completely in bounds on this one. If they knew the dude was autistic maybe they could have taken a different approach, but regardless he was a threat to others and himself (ahem).

Side note: bros, I honestly don't remember this many autistic folks when I was growing up. They say diagnostics have improved. But I don't know. Did people just lock them in a basement. Seriously, you think Boo Radley autistic?

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What different approach could the cops have taken? The dude was told to relax and didn't.

Even if the cops knew that the dude was autistic, what else could they have done? Given him the meds he was begging for? They're cops not doctors. Diagnose his 'triggers' and figure out exactly what things make him happy? Cops are not psychologists nor psychiatrists nor babysitters either.

They treated the dude like any other violent criminal.

There are more autistic people around now simply because there are benefits in being diagnosed as autistic for both the kid and the parents. Autistic kids aren't expected to behave and parents of autistic kids are often given passes for the kid's bad behavior. It's also a bit of a trophy for some parents because they can post on facebook about how brave and loving they are for dealing with their autistic kid.

If you read the article the dude's neighbors called the police because he was "having a meltdown". In other words, he was behaving violently and was a danger to himself and others.

The cops arrested him on a warrant from a 911 call from a year ago. His parents placed that 911 call because they always did when he "begins to rage".

This dude's suicide is the result of people expecting cops to be friends, parents, doctors, psychologists, and psychiatrists. It's completely his fault but his parents definitely set him up for this fall.

BigRobSA said:

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I didn't see any egregious behavior on the police's part.

COD?

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COD was head injury. Chair is supposed to be a last resort, and they used it as a punishment device. The issue is really the indifference and the lack of care for someone obviously having mental issues.

I've said it a million times: When someone is in your custody, you are responsible. Indifference and negligence go hand in hand, and that's just not acceptable when someone else's life is your responsibility.

Didn't they put him in there to stop beating his head and to transport him?

He's autistic. He literally can't just relax and do what they say.

backintexas2013 said:

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Didn't they put him in there to stop beating his head and to transport him?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13494173/autistic-teen-isaiah-trammell-cops-restrained-ohio-jail-video.html?ico=related-replace

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Officers allegedly kept him on the restraint chair for more than an hour, which is against Ohio standards for restraints.

The cops also continued to threaten to put Trammell into the chair a third time. The chair is supposed to be a last resort and used after providing medication.

When one officer said they couldn't use the restraint chair, another cop replied: 'Just put the chair in front of his fu***** cell so he stops. Give him a constant reminder.'

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They refused to give him his meds, which he repeatedly asked for.

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Did people just lock them in a basement. Seriously, you think Boo Radley autistic?

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In the South, we put them ON the front porch, as opposed to under it. Then again, what used to be classified as "slow" or worse was due to birthing complications.

My late older brother was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around his neck back in the 50s for example. Doctors had to give him adrenaline to restart his heart.

Same way he went out at the end, his neck was broken by a rope in a parasailing accident. One week to the day after my first husband died in a car accident that broke his neck.

How weird is that?

My son has a designation on his drivers license. I am not sure what the terminology is, but that may have helped here. Would have been nice to see some empathy but that may not have helped diffuse his situation.

Did they have his meds? I saw the video and he was banging his head.

They should have used thorozene(sp?)

backintexas2013 said:

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Did they have his meds? I saw the video and he was banging his head.

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Dunno. But the fact he was asking and bringing the way he was should have been a clue that he needed some and should not have been left in the position he was. Instead it was closer to, "The beatings will continue until morale improves," because they didn't want to deal with him.

It's instances like this that make me really nervous for my younger son, who's fairly far onto the spectrum. My wife and I feel that he will probably never be able to live completely on his own.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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He's autistic. He literally can't just relax and do what they say.

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Exactly. The dude was given a pass to misbehave since he was a child so he never learned self control.

All of his rolling around in the cell looked like a toddler's tantrum. Especially with him demanding a call and going prone when the cops came into the cell. He was in control of his body and mind, he just didn't want to obey or behave.

I don't think that his parents believe that the dude can't control himself. If they did, why would they leave him alone, even as a 19 year old, at any time? That would be abandoning him in a dangerous situation.

The parents suck for not teaching their kid, using 911 as a babysitter, and putting a bunch of cops in the position of dealing with the suicidal dude that they created.

No. This is not, "He didn't learn self control." His brain is not capable of doing what you're expecting. You might as well tell schizophrenics to just stop hallucinating.

ETA This is what happens when you parent autistic kids with your mentality.

aggiehawg said:

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Did people just lock them in a basement. Seriously, you think Boo Radley autistic?

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In the South, we put them ON the front porch, as opposed to under it. Then again, what used to be classified as "slow" or worse was due to birthing complications.

My late older brother was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around his neck back in the 50s for example. Doctors had to give him adrenaline to restart his heart.

Same way he went out at the end, his neck was broken by a rope in a parasailing accident. One week to the day after my first husband died in a car accident that broke his neck.

How weird is that?

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Wow. My older brother had exactly the same thing. I grew up seeing how cruel some people could be and had my fair share of fights when pathetic weak bullies would mess with him. One thing about my bro, he could throw a mean rock and run like the wind.

To this day I hate bullies and have first punched my share. It is amazing how many grew up to be total losers in life. God provides justice.

Then their were those few that were remorseful and grew up and protected him. Those folks always gave me hope in the human condition.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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I didn't see any egregious behavior on the police's part.

COD?

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COD was head injury. Chair is supposed to be a last resort, and they used it as a punishment device. The issue is really the indifference and the lack of care for someone obviously having mental issues.

I've said it a million times: When someone is in your custody, you are responsible. Indifference and negligence go hand in hand, and that's just not acceptable when someone else's life is your responsibility.

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The COD was a head injury that he inflicted on himself. It's in the video at 0:44 seconds. directly after a strange jump cut that skipped a second or two. Thats where that huge knot ended up on his forehead at the end.

If he were in the chair, which you said they used as punishment, he could not have done that.

Sorry, cant fault the police with this.

Don't those "turtle suits" usually come with protective headgear as well? If that was protocol, I could see an issue, since you can see he is already wearing the body suit part.

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Seriously, you think Boo Radley autistic?

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Not to derail the thread, but Boo Radley became a recluse because his father mistreated him, not because he had some organic disease.

When he was in high school Mr. Arthur Radley ("Boo") went on a wild joy ride with some of his friends. He and the others were arrested and ordered sent to "the state industrial school," which the narrator Scout says "was no prison and no disgrace." Boo's father thought it was a disgrace and told the judge he would discipline his boy.

Boo's father shut his son away and kept him in a prison in his own home until Boo internalized the prison and became the shut-in whom the town's children (and some adults) mythologize as a terrifying phantom.

Watching the antics of the neighborhood kids reminds Boo of what he has lost, and he makes surreptitious overtures to them throughout the book, eventually leaving the safe confines of his home to save Scout and Jem.

But it is not enough to overcome what his father has done to him, and after he saves the kids and Scout walks him home, she never sees him again.

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The police had been called by Trammell's neighbors after he spent the night banging his head against the wall.

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To be fair, the head injury could have occurred before he was even taken into police custody. He could have had a slow head bleed that finally caught up to him after he concussed himself enough to warrant an ER visit. Just an unfair situation for everyone involved.

Meds

The kid smashed his own head. I thought they appropriately restrained him. Reacted quickly when he was in the room. Maybe could have done more but hindsight is 20/20. For all we know, the first smash he did was the killer

ABATTBQ11 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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I didn't see any egregious behavior on the police's part.

COD?

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COD was head injury. Chair is supposed to be a last resort, and they used it as a punishment device. The issue is really the indifference and the lack of care for someone obviously having mental issues.

I've said it a million times: When someone is in your custody, you are responsible. Indifference and negligence go hand in hand, and that's just not acceptable when someone else's life is your responsibility.

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No they didn't. Kid kept slamming his head into the wall, injured himself and needed to be restrained.

Exactly. When they let him out of it, he used his head as a battering ram. They put him in it to prevent that. Then they tried to pad it when he started going off in the chair. Then brought in paramedics. Were they perfect? No, probably not. But they get all types of loons thru there

DannyDuberstein said:

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The kid smashed his own head. I thought they appropriately restrained him. Reacted quickly when he was in the room. Maybe could have done more but hindsight is 20/20. For all we know, the first smash he did was the killer

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Police never deal with violent people that scream at the top of their lungs, bash themselves against the walls, and plead and beg for drugs. Never. They should have known that only innocent and harmless autistic people do this...

Just kidding. This **** happens all of the time. His parents should have filled out the 48 page form before his intake 911 call that they phoned in themselves.

Im just curious what should have ideally happened in this situation? He didnt bash his head into the wall several times and laid there lifelessly for 3-4 hours or some **** to rot.

It looks like several LEO officers came in immediately after they saw he was harming himself and used the chair to keep him from harming himself further. Also, whoever is narrating is like "They stripped him naked! HE HATES THAT!" Ok, well he rammed his own head into a cinderblock wall several times, maybe he doesnt have the best judgement on what is for his own protection and what isnt.

and then when he was in the chair, it seemed like they were doing their best trying to protect his dignity and keep him covered to calm him down when he was begging for drugs.

Got it. All good

No, not you. I thought you had a tag on ABATTBQ11 in there. Sorry.

Wonder if he was schizophrenic superimposed over the autism? That would explain the psychotic breaks and need for meds

ABATTBQ11 said:

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He's autistic. He literally can't just relax and do what they say.

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Do you think maybe his parents should have called for EMS rather than Police and Fire? Or was it the dispatchers fault?

Police put him in jail, he smacked the back of his head against the steel cell door, you can hear LEO being concerned, and they immediately intervene when he hits himself several more times, attempting to keep him safe.

Im not trying to get anyone, I'm just asking what could have prevented this outcome?

ABATTBQ11 said:

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No. This is not, "He didn't learn self control." His brain is not capable of doing what you're expecting. You might as well tell schizophrenics to just stop hallucinating.

ETA This is what happens when you parent autistic kids with your mentality.

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If his brain is not capable of doing what is expected in basic interactions then why is he not escorted 24 hours a day by a person who is trained on how to keep the dude safe?

Your link goes to an article behind a paywall and I just caught a glimpse of part of the title. It's something about 'freeze to death' and 'dad'? I'm guessing that a dad locked his child outside in the snow? Here's the thing. That's not teaching self control or responsibility. It's abuse. Pure, evil, abuse. Hopefully, the dad was tried, convicted, and is serving hard time for that crime.

But that was a nice logic jump from "teach self control and don't rely on cops with no medical degrees to treat your kid" to "OHMYGOD! YOU WANT TO KILL THE CHILD!!!"