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ABATTBQ11 said:

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He's autistic. He literally can't just relax and do what they say.

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Exactly. The dude was given a pass to misbehave since he was a child so he never learned self control.

All of his rolling around in the cell looked like a toddler's tantrum. Especially with him demanding a call and going prone when the cops came into the cell. He was in control of his body and mind, he just didn't want to obey or behave.

I don't think that his parents believe that the dude can't control himself. If they did, why would they leave him alone, even as a 19 year old, at any time? That would be abandoning him in a dangerous situation.

The parents suck for not teaching their kid, using 911 as a babysitter, and putting a bunch of cops in the position of dealing with the suicidal dude that they created.

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Did they have his meds? I saw the video and he was banging his head.

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Dunno. But the fact he was asking and bringing the way he was should have been a clue that he needed some and should not have been left in the position he was. Instead it was closer to, "The beatings will continue until morale improves," because they didn't want to deal with him.

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I doubt they had his meds. Even if they had meds from the dude's home, I doubt that the cops could administer them to the dude. The cops simply don't know which meds to give, what meds the dude already had in his system, and if the meds from home were the correct ones.

Identifying what medication is needed and giving that medication is something that a doctor or at least a nurse would have to do.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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backintexas2013 said:

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Did they have his meds? I saw the video and he was banging his head.

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Dunno. But the fact he was asking and bringing the way he was should have been a clue that he needed some and should not have been left in the position he was. Instead it was closer to, "The beatings will continue until morale improves," because they didn't want to deal with him.

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I doubt they had his meds. Even if they had meds from the dude's home, I doubt that the cops could administer them to the dude. The cops simply don't know which meds to give, what meds the dude already had in his system, and if the meds from home were the correct ones.

Identifying what medication is needed and giving that medication is something that a doctor or at least a nurse would have to do.

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Nvm, you're not worth it..

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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He's autistic. He literally can't just relax and do what they say.

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Exactly. The dude was given a pass to misbehave since he was a child so he never learned self control.

All of his rolling around in the cell looked like a toddler's tantrum. Especially with him demanding a call and going prone when the cops came into the cell. He was in control of his body and mind, he just didn't want to obey or behave.

I don't think that his parents believe that the dude can't control himself. If they did, why would they leave him alone, even as a 19 year old, at any time? That would be abandoning him in a dangerous situation.

The parents suck for not teaching their kid, using 911 as a babysitter, and putting a bunch of cops in the position of dealing with the suicidal dude that they created.

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Tell me you don't know sh/t about autism without telling me you don't know sh/t about autism.

JFC

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No. This is not, "He didn't learn self control." His brain is not capable of doing what you're expecting. You might as well tell schizophrenics to just stop hallucinating.

ETA This is what happens when you parent autistic kids with your mentality.

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I have an autistic son, he's high functioning to be sure, but he understands self control and knows right from wrong. I don't treat him any differently from my other son and expect just as much from him. He's a smart kid and can handle it. Yeah he has his struggles, makes mistakes, and can't let things go sometimes but we don't ever let him get away with bad behavior, ever. He is punished just the same as our other son for the same mistakes and problems.

Parents who use autism as a crutch for their kid's bad behavior genuinely disgust me. They use it as an excuse to do nothing and shove them in front of a tablet. When you expect nothing you get nothing.

This situation doesn't come across to me as autism, it comes across as a schizophrenic episode, which is why the cops likely reacted the way they did.

There are methods autistic people can use to calm down and they absolutely do work. If he can't calm down without drugs then this is probably something else in addition to autism.

Most people with autism typically have other forms mental illness/disorder.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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He's autistic. He literally can't just relax and do what they say.

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Exactly. The dude was given a pass to misbehave since he was a child so he never learned self control.

All of his rolling around in the cell looked like a toddler's tantrum. Especially with him demanding a call and going prone when the cops came into the cell. He was in control of his body and mind, he just didn't want to obey or behave.

I don't think that his parents believe that the dude can't control himself. If they did, why would they leave him alone, even as a 19 year old, at any time? That would be abandoning him in a dangerous situation.

The parents suck for not teaching their kid, using 911 as a babysitter, and putting a bunch of cops in the position of dealing with the suicidal dude that they created.

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The only thing redeeming about this post is that you're class of 92 and hopefully this mindset isn't long for this world.

You sound as ignorant as my father was…. No Dad you can't beat mental health issues out of a child.

I'd tell you to consider yourself blessed that you didn't have a child with mental health issues, but that's not true. Perhaps if you had you'd have learned some grace and humility.

These appear to be county corrections officers, not cops or police in the traditional sense. A few might come in the room to assist but I can't be sure…. Still mostly correction officers…

There’s much more that people haven’t learned.

Isaiah should be alive today.

From a friend: pic.twitter.com/lS3HZSXfZJ

— Joshua Walker (@RedsRepair95) June 4, 2024

He was acting like an *******! Are cops supposed to diagnose Autism now? Half the world is walking around now saying they're "on the spectrum."

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Most people with autism typically have other forms mental illness/disorder.

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My son has nothing in common with the person in the video above. I hate how how these are all lumped together into one umbrella as autism. The idea that my son and this guy have the same mental issue is insane and it really gives the kids like my son a bad name. The guy on this thread almost certainly has something else that should be classified differently. Complaining about voices in his head and people still want to call this autism? Ridiculous.

I have an immediate family member "diagnosed" as bipolar 1. Our family has observed almost thirty years of this behavior including a half dozen or so suicide attempts and/or threats. It has been exhausting and I'm grateful for our family helping each other and standing strong together throughout these difficulties.

As someone who bought into the standard "disease - ification" of these behaviors for most of those years, I am now viewing things from all perspectives based on my direct observation and experience. Some of the more unpopular opinions in this thread might be crass but at the same time might have more than a grain of truth.

I'm beginning to wonder how many delusions, visions and hallucinations are long term effects of the psychotropic cocktails people ingest like candy these days. Several years ago, after observing my family member's multiple behaviors including attempts to manipulate moods and outcomes, I concluded drug addiction was just as much an issue as any mental disorder was.

There is an award winning documentary on this which interviews individuals with CVs just as impressive as anyone else in the mental health field. The documentary is free on youtube, it's compelling and will open some eyes. I linked the 2 minute trailer below.

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He's autistic. He literally can't just relax and do what they say.

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Well, all they can do is put him in a WRAP device and call for paramedics. He has to be restrained to prevent him from hurting himself and patrol cars don't come with padded cells.
Maybe if there was a functioning mental health authority with a mobile padded cell can, this wouldn't have happened. But a jury is going to look at the totality of circumstances. The deceased cannot speak and some use of force expert for either side is going to appear to further confuse things.

Still not sure why exactly he was arrested.
Says he was in there 10 hours. I know cops aren't doctors but I would think/hope that at least one of them would recognize that the guy is a danger to himself. No reason he should have died.

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Most people with autism typically have other forms mental illness/disorder.

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My son has nothing in common with the person in the video above. I hate how how these are all lumped together into one umbrella as autism. The idea that my son and this guy have the same mental issue is insane and it really gives the kids like my son a bad name. The guy on this thread almost certainly has something else that should be classified differently. Complaining about voices in his head and people still want to call this autism? Ridiculous.

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Autism frequently has associated comorbidities that tend to make the condition less manageable:

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As many as 85% of children with autism also have some form of comorbid psychiatric diagnosis, and 35% are taking at least 1 psychotropic medication as treatment. ADHD, anxiety, and depression are the most commonly diagnosed comorbidities, with anxiety and depression being particularly important to watch for in older children, as they become more self-aware.

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I am intimately familiar with a kid that has high functioning autism but has an Asperger's comorbidity as well as some other issues. Despite the fact that he is very high functioning and very intelligent (think Sheldon on Big Bang), he has been prone to violent outbursts when his medication is either wearing off or has not yet fully kicked in, and this is made worse by puberty (which because of developmental delays tends to start later and last longer than your average kid) and the associated hormonal fluctuations. His problematic behaviors are all controllable with medication. When something happens to interrupt or disrupt his meds (or if his meds have become less effective over time and/or need adjusting) he can have problems.

Treating him in the same manner that this kid was treated would do absolutely zero to mitigate the situation or improve things. This kid did not deserve to die and he shouldn't have. Corrections officers/police need to be trained in ways of handling people with psychiatric disorders beyond treating them like spoiled brats and punishing them accordingly.

This kid does not "give your kid a bad name" simply because they share a diagnosis. Anyone with an above room temperature IQ knows autisim is a spectrum and does not manifest itself in any one way.

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Nanomachines son said:

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Most people with autism typically have other forms mental illness/disorder.

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My son has nothing in common with the person in the video above. I hate how how these are all lumped together into one umbrella as autism. The idea that my son and this guy have the same mental issue is insane and it really gives the kids like my son a bad name. The guy on this thread almost certainly has something else that should be classified differently. Complaining about voices in his head and people still want to call this autism? Ridiculous.

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Autism frequently has associated comorbidities that tend to make the condition less manageable:

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As many as 85% of children with autism also have some form of comorbid psychiatric diagnosis, and 35% are taking at least 1 psychotropic medication as treatment. ADHD, anxiety, and depression are the most commonly diagnosed comorbidities, with anxiety and depression being particularly important to watch for in older children, as they become more self-aware.

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I am intimately familiar with a kid that has high functioning autism but has an Asperger's comorbidity as well as some other issues. Despite the fact that he is very high functioning and very intelligent (think Sheldon on Big Bang), he has been prone to violent outbursts when his medication is either wearing off or has not yet fully kicked in, and this is made worse by puberty (which because of developmental delays tends to start later and last longer than your average kid) and the associated hormonal fluctuations. His problematic behaviors are all controllable with medication. When something happens to interrupt or disrupt his meds (or if his meds have become less effective over time and/or need adjusting) he can have problems.

Treating him in the same manner that this kid was treated would do absolutely zero to mitigate the situation or improve things. This kid did not deserve to die and he shouldn't have. Corrections officers/police need to be trained in ways of handling people with psychiatric disorders beyond treating them like spoiled brats and punishing them accordingly.

This kid does not "give your kid a bad name" simply because they share a diagnosis. Anyone with an above room temperature IQ knows autisim is a spectrum and does not manifest itself in any one way.

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If you are using medication then your issues are unrelated to autism. My son has never had to use medication for anything.

Again, the problem here is not autism, it's the other issues.

I agree that this guy did not need to die but when someone is effectively acting like a schizophrenic and speaking about voices in their head then you can't expect cops to understand what is going on. They are not doctors.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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No. This is not, "He didn't learn self control." His brain is not capable of doing what you're expecting. You might as well tell schizophrenics to just stop hallucinating.

ETA This is what happens when you parent autistic kids with your mentality.

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I have an autistic son, he's high functioning to be sure, but he understands self control and knows right from wrong. I don't treat him any differently from my other son and expect just as much from him. He's a smart kid and can handle it. Yeah he has his struggles, makes mistakes, and can't let things go sometimes but we don't ever let him get away with bad behavior, ever. He is punished just the same as our other son for the same mistakes and problems.

Parents who use autism as a crutch for their kid's bad behavior genuinely disgust me. They use it as an excuse to do nothing and shove them in front of a tablet. When you expect nothing you get nothing.

This situation doesn't come across to me as autism, it comes across as a schizophrenic episode, which is why the cops likely reacted the way they did.

There are methods autistic people can use to calm down and they absolutely do work. If he can't calm down without drugs then this is probably something else in addition to autism.

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As someone else pointed out, there are often comorbitities, but it's also a spectrum. No two individuals are alike. Your son is high functioning and may not experience the same issues with emotional regulation or to the same extent that other autistic kids do. They may understand self-control and right from wrong and there are strategies to help them calm down and self-regulate, but they may not be able to do those things before they pass the point of no return because they get there too fast.

Head banging is actually a pretty common self-soothing and regulating behavior for people with autism, and that's something that his family mentioned he did when having a meltdown. Somewhat tangential, but here's an example that led to unnecessary self-injury. As for what he said, there's no telling what exactly he meant. He very well could have also had schizophrenia or some other unsupervised disorder, or he could have simply been unable to communicate precisely what he meant under the circumstances.

I don't know if he necessarily needed medication to calm down on the regular, but in this instance I think being stripped naked, yelled at, and confined would have been so triggering that he could not possibly have self-regulated.

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Nanomachines son said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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No. This is not, "He didn't learn self control." His brain is not capable of doing what you're expecting. You might as well tell schizophrenics to just stop hallucinating.

ETA This is what happens when you parent autistic kids with your mentality.

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I have an autistic son, he's high functioning to be sure, but he understands self control and knows right from wrong. I don't treat him any differently from my other son and expect just as much from him. He's a smart kid and can handle it. Yeah he has his struggles, makes mistakes, and can't let things go sometimes but we don't ever let him get away with bad behavior, ever. He is punished just the same as our other son for the same mistakes and problems.

Parents who use autism as a crutch for their kid's bad behavior genuinely disgust me. They use it as an excuse to do nothing and shove them in front of a tablet. When you expect nothing you get nothing.

This situation doesn't come across to me as autism, it comes across as a schizophrenic episode, which is why the cops likely reacted the way they did.

There are methods autistic people can use to calm down and they absolutely do work. If he can't calm down without drugs then this is probably something else in addition to autism.

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As someone else pointed out, there are often comorbitities, but it's also a spectrum. No two individuals are alike. Your son is high functioning and may not experience the same issues with emotional regulation or to the same extent that other autistic kids do. They may understand self-control and right from wrong and there are strategies to help them calm down and self-regulate, but they may not be able to do those things before they pass the point of no return because they get there too fast.

Head banging is actually a pretty common self-soothing and regulating behavior for people with autism, and that's something that his family mentioned he did when having a meltdown. Somewhat tangential, but here's an example that led to unnecessary self-injury. As for what he said, there's no telling what exactly he meant. He very well could have also had schizophrenia or some other unsupervised disorder, or he could have simply been unable to communicate precisely what he meant under the circumstances.

I don't know if he necessarily needed medication to calm down on the regular, but in this instance I think being stripped naked, yelled at, and confined would have been so triggering that he could not possibly have self-regulated.

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He has emotion regulation issues but we don't let him get away with bad behavior and punish him the same as our other son. Our methods differ in how we punish but he absolutely understands when his behavior goes over the line.

I refuse to coddle him because the world won't. I never tell people he is on the spectrum when he plays sports because I want him to be treated equally. Do not mistake this for thinking I am ashamed of him because I am not, I treat him the same because I expect him to be able to succeed in spite of his issues and I refuse to allow the world to tell him what he can or can't do.

If there are commorbidities then it isn't autism that is the issue.

Further, describing someone who is mute and nonverbal as having the same condition as someone who is high functioning is laughable. These kids are nothing alike. This is not an umbrella, they simply act entirely differently.

Nanomachines son said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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No. This is not, "He didn't learn self control." His brain is not capable of doing what you're expecting. You might as well tell schizophrenics to just stop hallucinating.

ETA This is what happens when you parent autistic kids with your mentality.

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I have an autistic son, he's high functioning to be sure, but he understands self control and knows right from wrong. I don't treat him any differently from my other son and expect just as much from him. He's a smart kid and can handle it. Yeah he has his struggles, makes mistakes, and can't let things go sometimes but we don't ever let him get away with bad behavior, ever. He is punished just the same as our other son for the same mistakes and problems.

Parents who use autism as a crutch for their kid's bad behavior genuinely disgust me. They use it as an excuse to do nothing and shove them in front of a tablet. When you expect nothing you get nothing.

This situation doesn't come across to me as autism, it comes across as a schizophrenic episode, which is why the cops likely reacted the way they did.

There are methods autistic people can use to calm down and they absolutely do work. If he can't calm down without drugs then this is probably something else in addition to autism.

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As someone else pointed out, there are often comorbitities, but it's also a spectrum. No two individuals are alike. Your son is high functioning and may not experience the same issues with emotional regulation or to the same extent that other autistic kids do. They may understand self-control and right from wrong and there are strategies to help them calm down and self-regulate, but they may not be able to do those things before they pass the point of no return because they get there too fast.

Head banging is actually a pretty common self-soothing and regulating behavior for people with autism, and that's something that his family mentioned he did when having a meltdown. Somewhat tangential, but here's an example that led to unnecessary self-injury. As for what he said, there's no telling what exactly he meant. He very well could have also had schizophrenia or some other unsupervised disorder, or he could have simply been unable to communicate precisely what he meant under the circumstances.

I don't know if he necessarily needed medication to calm down on the regular, but in this instance I think being stripped naked, yelled at, and confined would have been so triggering that he could not possibly have self-regulated.

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He has emotion regulation issues but we don't let him get away with bad behavior and punish him the same as our other son. Our methods differ in how we punish but he absolutely understands when his behavior goes over the line.

I refuse to coddle him because the world won't. I never tell people he is on the spectrum when he plays sports because I want him to be treated equally. Do not mistake this for thinking I am ashamed of him because I am not, I treat him the same because I expect him to be able to succeed in spite of his issues and I refuse to allow the world to tell him what he can or can't do.

If there are commorbidities then it isn't autism that is the issue.

Further, describing someone who is mute and nonverbal as having the same condition as someone who is high functioning is laughable. These kids are nothing alike. This is not an umbrella, they simply act entirely differently.

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It's a spectrum, and I don't know what to tell you if you think non-verbal autism isn't a thing.

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Nanomachines son said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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No. This is not, "He didn't learn self control." His brain is not capable of doing what you're expecting. You might as well tell schizophrenics to just stop hallucinating.

ETA This is what happens when you parent autistic kids with your mentality.

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I have an autistic son, he's high functioning to be sure, but he understands self control and knows right from wrong. I don't treat him any differently from my other son and expect just as much from him. He's a smart kid and can handle it. Yeah he has his struggles, makes mistakes, and can't let things go sometimes but we don't ever let him get away with bad behavior, ever. He is punished just the same as our other son for the same mistakes and problems.

Parents who use autism as a crutch for their kid's bad behavior genuinely disgust me. They use it as an excuse to do nothing and shove them in front of a tablet. When you expect nothing you get nothing.

This situation doesn't come across to me as autism, it comes across as a schizophrenic episode, which is why the cops likely reacted the way they did.

There are methods autistic people can use to calm down and they absolutely do work. If he can't calm down without drugs then this is probably something else in addition to autism.

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As someone else pointed out, there are often comorbitities, but it's also a spectrum. No two individuals are alike. Your son is high functioning and may not experience the same issues with emotional regulation or to the same extent that other autistic kids do. They may understand self-control and right from wrong and there are strategies to help them calm down and self-regulate, but they may not be able to do those things before they pass the point of no return because they get there too fast.

Head banging is actually a pretty common self-soothing and regulating behavior for people with autism, and that's something that his family mentioned he did when having a meltdown. Somewhat tangential, but here's an example that led to unnecessary self-injury. As for what he said, there's no telling what exactly he meant. He very well could have also had schizophrenia or some other unsupervised disorder, or he could have simply been unable to communicate precisely what he meant under the circumstances.

I don't know if he necessarily needed medication to calm down on the regular, but in this instance I think being stripped naked, yelled at, and confined would have been so triggering that he could not possibly have self-regulated.

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He has emotion regulation issues but we don't let him get away with bad behavior and punish him the same as our other son. Our methods differ in how we punish but he absolutely understands when his behavior goes over the line.

I refuse to coddle him because the world won't. I never tell people he is on the spectrum when he plays sports because I want him to be treated equally. Do not mistake this for thinking I am ashamed of him because I am not, I treat him the same because I expect him to be able to succeed in spite of his issues and I refuse to allow the world to tell him what he can or can't do.

If there are commorbidities then it isn't autism that is the issue.

Further, describing someone who is mute and nonverbal as having the same condition as someone who is high functioning is laughable. These kids are nothing alike. This is not an umbrella, they simply act entirely differently.

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It's a spectrum, and I don't know what to tell you if you think non-verbal autism isn't a thing.

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Someone doesn't understand autism other than what they want it to be. As someone who has experienced the full range of high functioning autism while having our son go to a school specializing in it - I can tell you that individual parents don't define what autism is for the entire community as I saw a wide spectrum of behaviors from my sons classmates that all we're dealing with something slightly different but yet very similar.