Think about it even if blue states just lost a handful more electoral votes in these states each vote is a 2 point swing.

I'd be willing to bet there is more than enough border counties in:

Illinois that would love to go to Indiana/Missouri

Oregon to Idaho

Washington to idaho

California to Nevada/Arizona

New Mexico to Texas

Upstate New York would love to make a change I'm sure.

Rural Virginia as well.

All of these people would be better represented. They deserve to be more accurately represented.

They should form a new state but that'd be more difficult because radlibs would not allow 2 more GOP Senators.

Well getting the approval to secede will be difficult as it is. They may have to go all declaration of independence on the libs.

They can keep NM

Sorry Ag, I wish we could (in our little fantasy world). TX in 1845 looks to only apply to lands along the Rio Grande (which goes all the way up to near Silverton).

Isn't this how the Civil War began?
Heavily populated, industrial North > power
Rural , agricultural South < power

A precedent has been set - see Baton Rouge and Austin.

Also - ask those opposed: Do you celebrate the 4th of July? Good chance they say "yes".

A similar thing is going on in Ukraine.

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Well getting the approval to secede will be difficult as it is. They may have to go all declaration of independence on the libs.

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"Difficult" meaning close to impossible.

Oregon will never let them leave.

"Declaring independence" won't do anything.

How many employers are going to not send withheld taxes to Salem? How many property owners going to risk losing a house by not paying property taxes?

You really think Idaho would even take the money?

I don't disagree about the immorality issue.
It's not nearly as simple as you suggest with "pay your taxes to Idaho"

Haha I didn't say it would be simple. I totally agree that it would be hard.

They should do it.

You'd have to force them to do something about it. I think they would win.

Win? How? You are not being remotely realistic.

You're right... borders never change.

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You're right... borders never change.

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Great strawman.


You have a noble idea, but no plan for how to accomplish it.

" Declaring independence" Means nothing unless they do something else. What is it? Do you think they can do to gain independence?


Because Oregon, and this Congress, are not going let them go.

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You're right... borders never change.

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Great strawman.


You have a noble idea, but no plan for how to accomplish it.

" Declaring independence" Means nothing unless they do something else. What is it? Do you think they can do to gain independence?


Because Oregon, and this Congress, are not going let them go.

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This whole thing has the same vibe as Michael Scott yelling "I declare bankruptcy!!!"

You're so certain of yourself. You sound like you don't want it to happen.

Our system is built on the consent of the governed. They are not asking for anything crazy. They could win, and they should fight until its done. Things change. Its far more possible than you are pretending.

Who peed in your Wheaties this morning?

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You sound like you don't want it to happen.

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Dumb. Just because you can't defend your position isn't a reason to lie about mine

I'd love to see the whole thing blown up. But I'm realistic.

You still haven't explained how this would go.


"Hey Boise, here's my check for income tax from East Oregon".

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TxAgPreacher said:

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You're right... borders never change.

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Great strawman.


You have a noble idea, but no plan for how to accomplish it.

" Declaring independence" Means nothing unless they do something else. What is it? Do you think they can do to gain independence?


Because Oregon, and this Congress, are not going let them go.

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Might that "plan" include violence against the oppressors - just like it has every other time similar events have occurred in Texas (and world) history?

Sadly, that's what it would take.

There is going to come a time in this country where it becomes so bad for conservatives that we're not going have any other choice.

I don't know when that's going to be, but based on the country's current trajectory it very well may be in our lifetime.

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And maybe Texas picks up some of its old land back in NM, and CO.

Ski trip anyone?

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Oh what I would give for that to happen.

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Only problem I see here is that won't look quite right with the A&M logo superimposed over it.

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And maybe Texas picks up some of its old land back in NM, and CO.

Ski trip anyone?

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Oh what I would give for that to happen.

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Public Elk tags for TX residents !

If the left (and RINOs) burn the country down again (ala 2020), rig another POTUS election, and then rig the House/Senate elections (again), we'll have a serious war here in the US within the next year.

That is, if Biden doesn't declare Martial Law to negate all elections (like Ukraine)...which would seriously expedite the process.

The "No Taxation Without Representation" rallying cry would be reborn if all that happens.

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If the left (and RINOs) burn the country down again (ala 2020), rig another POTUS election, and then rig the House/Senate elections (again), we'll have a serious war here in the US within the next year.

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Yeah... They better not steal a presidential election again or there will be consequences!

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Sadly, that's what it would take.

There is going to come a time in this country where it becomes so bad for conservatives that we're not going have any other choice.

I don't know when that's going to be, but based on the country's current trajectory it very well may be in our lifetime.

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Around 8 or 9 years ago, I said in around 50 years, America will have either seen the 2nd American Revolution or it will have ceased to exist as a representative republic. Unless we can rein in our federal government via elections, it's going to happen much sooner than that.

I'm not advocating for either, I just think that is what's coming.

That's why I said "NTWR." If all conservative Christian Texans stopped paying income taxes, what's the US going to do? Make our lives more miserable? There's plenty of momentum in the TNM, as well.

It's time to leave the US behind if the left can't stop getting closer and closer to Satan. But, we all know they want more evil in this country, not less.

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This is the way to win more elections

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Cheating has worked pretty good for dems in the last decade

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A precedent has been set - see Baton Rouge and Austin.

Also - ask those opposed: Do you celebrate the 4th of July? Good chance they say "yes".

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I wouldn't rely on that Austin issue. It was a one off correction in the legislature to fix a loophole.

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If the left (and RINOs) burn the country down again (ala 2020), rig another POTUS election, and then rig the House/Senate elections (again), we'll have a serious war here in the US within the next year.

That is, if Biden doesn't declare Martial Law to negate all elections (like Ukraine)...which would seriously expedite the process.

The "No Taxation Without Representation" rallying cry would be reborn if all that happens.

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The left figured out long ago that they can control the politics in this country if they can control the major cities. As go 11 major cities, so goes America. They spent millions putting their people in place in election commissions, as district attorneys, judges, and mayors. Once that was done, they were free to rig elections on a mass scale.