Islam is a conflation of politics and religion. But over time moslems are also subject to the dereligionized birth rates the west has seen.

Regardless, enjoy it while you can.

I think France will surprise us. They're going to fight pretty hard to avoid being consumed by the Muslim hoards. We like to give them a hard time for being pacifist but there's a pretty nasty streak to them and I have to assume it'll rise up when they realize they're losing their country.

I think we're going to see the EU dissolve in the next decade and with that we'll see a return to concerns over sovereignty with a push to eliminate mass immigration into Europe. The world is changing rapidly, not sure where it all lands.

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I think France will surprise us. They're going to fight pretty hard to avoid being consumed by the Muslim hoards. We like to give them a hard time for being pacifist but there's a pretty nasty streak to them and I have to assume it'll rise up when they realize they're losing their country.

I think we're going to see the EU dissolve in the next decade and with that we'll see a return to concerns over sovereignty with a push to eliminate mass immigration into Europe. The world is changing rapidly, not sure where it all lands.

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Agree on this for sure. It seems inevitable. We almost got there with the Greece crisis a few years ago. And that was podunk Greece. Swap them out with a country that matters and it will end.

On immigration, most in America probably missed the quiet 180 that Europe made a couple of years ago going from castigating Trump on his wall to now supporting walls and fences to stem the tide of their own immigration disaster. Brussels started funding walls and fences for the outer ring of EU countries who were taking the brunt of mass immigration from ME and Africa. Some are obviously still importing foreigners that they shouldn't but they ended the idea of open borders two years ago.

And we've already seen France publicly denounce the toxicity portion of American culture so they met yet still rise up internally.

Read Mark Steyn. Demography is destiny. EUrabia is hosed.

It's not bad here in the US yet, but we are always a decade or two behind Europe. Liberals are bound and determined to bring more muslim trash over here.

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There will likely be another war before any of the European countries go under any form of "sharia law". I think we're already starting to see the first bubbles rising to the top over that. Tensions are rising.

ETA: the Muslims won't win that war. Sorry, but they just won't.

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Here is my best case scenario.
Iran backs a terrorist attack within the US. We end up at war with Iran and we have a president who has the cajones to nuke Iran. That would be Trump or DeSantis.

That makes the rest of the world backdown and not mess with the US. We are then again THE world power.

Otherwise Muslims take over the World by sheer numbers and Europe is the first to fall.

Obviously the immigration policies are causing this in Europe. Still, the Muslim population in the UK is still only 6.7%. How the hell are they winning all of these elections??

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Obviously the immigration policies are causing this in Europe. Still, the Muslim population in the UK is still only 6.7%. How the hell are they winning all of these elections??

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They are being implemented and who knows if their elections over there are legit. We are all just pawns in the social experiment games the elites are playing.

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Obviously the immigration policies are causing this in Europe. Still, the Muslim population in the UK is still only 6.7%. How the hell are they winning all of these elections??

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Block voting , political fragmentation of non Muslim British population and voter Apathy. The incumbent Labour mayor of London won by 230,000 votes out of 2.5 million votes cast. The second place candidate was a female Conservative. 13 candidates competed. Voter turnout was 40.5%.

There are whole swathes of London that have been taken over by Muslims such as around Hyde Park / Marble Arch area over the last 30 years. It's quite astonishing. I'm not sure if Tony Blair and his govt understood that the stealth mass immigration policies they pursued in the late 90s onward to make Britain more diverse would result in a creeping takeover.

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i'm not worried. secularism is an unstoppable force.

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Show us proof, actual data or historical outcomes that prove this. We know you are trolling.

Until the country is, itself, majority Muslim, they won't have the votes. I prefer to never say never, but I don't see a scenario where that happens in this century.

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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i'm not worried. secularism is an unstoppable force.

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Show us proof, actual data or historical outcomes that prove this. We know you are trolling.

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Look at every non-Muslim country. The no-religion gets bigger and bigger. USA is great example. Look at the religious today versus 40 years ago.

Islam is only thing that stops secular and it is because they literally kill non-believers.

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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i'm not worried. secularism is an unstoppable force.

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Show us proof, actual data or historical outcomes that prove this. We know you are trolling.

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Look at every non-Muslim country. The no-religion gets bigger and bigger. USA is great example. Look at the religious today versus 40 years ago.

Islam is only thing that stops secular and it is because they literally kill non-believers.

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Thank you for proving my point that there is no data or historical examples.

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Thank you for proving my point that there is no data or historical examples.

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You really think the US is not more secular today than in the past? Seriously?

In 2020, 47% of U.S. adults belonged to a church, synagogue or mosque
Down more than 20 points from turn of the century
Change primarily due to rise in Americans with no religious preference

U.S. church membership was 73% when Gallup first measured it in 1937 and remained near 70% for the next six decades, before beginning a steady decline around the turn of the 21st century.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx

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This is like watching locusts overtake a farm

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And buying and bringing in the locusts to do so

After the muslims win it will be at least amusing for those of us left to notice they become even more unhappy as a group.

Living in their own self created hell.

There is a reason muslims flee muslim controlled countries. You know, to get away from Islam.

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There is a reason muslims flee muslim controlled countries. You know, to get away from Islam.

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Perhaps for a few.

Most leave Muslim controlled countries to spread Islam and to start the transformation of the new country to Islam and subjugation of non-Muslims.

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Until the country is, itself, majority Muslim, they won't have the votes. I prefer to never say never, but I don't see a scenario where that happens in this century.

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Oh ok. So we're good for the next century but our kids kids are ****ed. I feel better. Why don't you stop voting for Dems. If you would, we would not have to worry about it.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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i'm not worried. secularism is an unstoppable force.

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1. I'm not worried, secularism is an unstoppable force <=== You are here
2. I'm not worried, only a few places where secularism has been beaten by the Islamists
3. I'm not worried, secularism is bad for you, Islam is the way

I've been to all three and that would be a shame. They need to get the Muslims out now. Let them go back and live in the 12th century in the Middle East.

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Until the country is, itself, majority Muslim, they won't have the votes. I prefer to never say never, but I don't see a scenario where that happens in this century.

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You literally see a handful of Palestinian wannabees shutting down ivy league Universities and postponing graduations, and this is your conclusion?

England is about 7% muslim, and already they are talking about Sharia.

It will take a very small percentage of Muslims to turn the tide in the US. Especially because a bunch of self loathing liberals will give in to their demands as long as there are no mean tweets and the latest democrat dunce gets to be in the White House.

I think at about 5% you will see serious rumblings. At 10%, it will turn the tide.
And I can predict, 100%, that you will convince yourself that this is good for you and the country

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I've been to all three and that would be a shame. They need to get the Muslims out now. Let them go back and live in the 12th century in the Middle East.

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I disagree.

Muslims aren't mono-lithic. There are communities that have very strong family values, believe in entrepreneurship, strong education and self reliance. They are against government handouts and interference in day to day activities. Those are the folks we want to emigrate into the US.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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i'm not worried. secularism is an unstoppable force.

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Unicorns

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It's incredible that white liberals are so blind to the obvious, and won't even let themselves accept reality because it shakes their narcissistic self-view. Championing bringing in hordes of non-assimilated barbarians from ****hole, failed states and thinking it's a good thing. How stupid can you possibly be?

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I see it in a different way.

Nihilism is just about universal in leftist thinkers. Suicide is a common outcome for nihilistic people. When groups of nihilists get together it just plays out on a larger scale.

They know they are destroying things. But they also don't care as long as they get to rage quit individually or as a group.

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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i'm not worried. secularism is an unstoppable force.

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Show us proof, actual data or historical outcomes that prove this. We know you are trolling.

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Look at every non-Muslim country. The no-religion gets bigger and bigger. USA is great example. Look at the religious today versus 40 years ago.

Islam is only thing that stops secular and it is because they literally kill non-believers.

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Absolutely true in recent history but the past is largely irrelevant now....birth rates for western countries are under the replacement rate. The ones over that rate are all the less advanced cultures and countries who are outgrowing us by leaps and bounds. It's math with a very bad outcome for advanced societies. And ironically that very advancement will be our downfall.

Of course, our own advancement is rapidly approaching a point of diminishing returns between not replacing ourselves and glorifying all of the worst qualities of secularism. We are actually providing fuel to the fire of people who hate us.

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

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The Mayor of London is a Muslim.

The mayor of Birmingham is a Muslim.

The Mayor of Leeds is Muslim.

Mayor of Blackburn - Muslim.

The mayor of Sheffield is a Muslim.

The mayor of Oxford is a Muslim.

The mayor of Luton is a Muslim.

The mayor of Oldham is Muslim.

The mayor…

— Laurence Fox (@LozzaFox) May 4, 2024

The UK is already lost.

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THIS is the problem:

78 percent of Muslim women do not work, receive state support + free accommodation.

63 percent of Muslims do not work, receive state support + free housing.

State-supported Muslim families with an average of 6 to 8 children receive free accommodation.

Stupid Socialist policies adopted by Western European countries acted as an invitation for all these government- / taxpayer-financed leeches.