txwxman said:

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I pray for the souls of those that continue to follow false doctrine. Have mercy on them.

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Perhaps instead of judging your neighbors, you could pray for peace or somesuch?

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How is he judging his neighbors with his comment? He's praying for these goobers to turn from their sin, which the Bible clearly talks about.

Ag-Yoakum95 said:

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txwxman said:

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Yale said:

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I pray for the souls of those that continue to follow false doctrine. Have mercy on them.

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Perhaps instead of judging your neighbors, you could pray for peace or somesuch?

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How is he judging his neighbors with his comment? He's praying for these goobers to turn from their sin, which the Bible clearly talks about.

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Because it's easier for lazy people to simply accuse someone of being "judge mental", when to "judge" as God is to determine someone spending eternity in heaven or hell. Discerning good from bad, right from wrong is not "judging" someone.

txwxman said:

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Yale said:

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I pray for the souls of those that continue to follow false doctrine. Have mercy on them.

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Perhaps instead of judging your neighbors, you could pray for peace or somesuch?

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What you're doing here is casting judgment that someone's beliefs and associated behavior is disagreeable to you, to which you offer a behavior which is more preferable, again, to you.

Thus, judging your neighbor.

Well done.

Another in a long history of examples of what happens when you try to compromise with liberals. The slippery slope is real.

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Who gives a **** if they are gay? Nobody forces you to go to the church. I get sick and tired of "Christians" judging people. Isn't God the judge?

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I care. Practicing homosexuals, fornicators, as well as deviants shouldn't lead the church.

Christians aren't necessarily judging but a big point of Jesus's ministry is to repent and sin no more. Openly being of sin and tying that to your identity isn't biblical or even remotely dogmatically congruent with what Christ taught us.

God is the ultimate judge but that doesn't mean we as disciples should be cool with sinners professing their sins openly and proudly with their actions/behavior/identity.

Hope that helps.

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Who gives a **** if they are gay? Nobody forces you to go to the church. I get sick and tired of "Christians" judging people. Isn't God the judge?

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This is what speaking on a topic that you know absolutely nothing about looks like. Most would just remain silent.

Wyoming Aggie said:

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Who gives a **** if they are gay? Nobody forces you to go to the church. I get sick and tired of "Christians" judging people. Isn't God the judge?

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The Bible gives clear guidance to avoid people with certain behaviors. If you have spent any meaningful time in it, you would know that. To ascertain those reasons to avoid, you have no choice but to judge.

I agree if your church is ignoring biblical doctrine, just leave rather than fight it.

The Bible prophesied the apostasy we're seeing in the church today, this comes as no surprise to those who read it.

Wyoming Aggie said:

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Who gives a **** if they are gay? Nobody forces you to go to the church. I get sick and tired of "Christians" judging people. Isn't God the judge?

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Women should not be pastors or priests, neither should men who actively preach lifestyles that are sinful.

The Bible is very clear about these things.

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AgDotCom said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Who gives a **** if they are gay? Nobody forces you to go to the church. I get sick and tired of "Christians" judging people. Isn't God the judge?

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The Bible gives clear guidance to avoid people with certain behaviors. If you have spent any meaningful time in it, you would know that. To ascertain those reasons to avoid, you have no choice but to judge.

I agree if your church is ignoring biblical doctrine, just leave rather than fight it.

The Bible prophesied the apostasy we're seeing in the church today, this comes as no surprise to those who read it.

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I read the Bible. I'm a practicing Catholic. I also don't judge other people for what they do on a Sunday. Why? Because it's none of my damn business. We are all made in God's image. I'm sure you've read about that though.

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Then I would say your reading comprehension is lacking or you are not being truthful. Especially if you are a "practicing" Catholic. Surely you know your own church's stance on female clergy? It is a correct one, too.

Wyoming Aggie said:

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AgDotCom said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Who gives a **** if they are gay? Nobody forces you to go to the church. I get sick and tired of "Christians" judging people. Isn't God the judge?

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The Bible gives clear guidance to avoid people with certain behaviors. If you have spent any meaningful time in it, you would know that. To ascertain those reasons to avoid, you have no choice but to judge.

I agree if your church is ignoring biblical doctrine, just leave rather than fight it.

The Bible prophesied the apostasy we're seeing in the church today, this comes as no surprise to those who read it.

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I read the Bible. I'm a practicing Catholic. I also don't judge other people for what they do on a Sunday. Why? Because it's none of my damn business. We are all made in God's image. I'm sure you've read about that though.

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This rings hollow to me. If you're a practicing Catholic and can not understand why a certain group of Methodists does not want to have church leaders that are aligned with or participants in LBGQT+++ then I am not sure where to begin a reasonable discussion with you.

Wyoming Aggie said:

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AgDotCom said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Who gives a **** if they are gay? Nobody forces you to go to the church. I get sick and tired of "Christians" judging people. Isn't God the judge?

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The Bible gives clear guidance to avoid people with certain behaviors. If you have spent any meaningful time in it, you would know that. To ascertain those reasons to avoid, you have no choice but to judge.

I agree if your church is ignoring biblical doctrine, just leave rather than fight it.

The Bible prophesied the apostasy we're seeing in the church today, this comes as no surprise to those who read it.

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I read the Bible. I'm a practicing Catholic. I also don't judge other people for what they do on a Sunday. Why? Because it's none of my damn business. We are all made in God's image. I'm sure you've read about that though.

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Catholic here. Talk to your pastor brother.

Wyoming Aggie said:

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AgDotCom said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Who gives a **** if they are gay? Nobody forces you to go to the church. I get sick and tired of "Christians" judging people. Isn't God the judge?

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The Bible gives clear guidance to avoid people with certain behaviors. If you have spent any meaningful time in it, you would know that. To ascertain those reasons to avoid, you have no choice but to judge.

I agree if your church is ignoring biblical doctrine, just leave rather than fight it.

The Bible prophesied the apostasy we're seeing in the church today, this comes as no surprise to those who read it.

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I read the Bible. I'm a practicing Catholic. I also don't judge other people for what they do on a Sunday. Why? Because it's none of my damn business. We are all made in God's image. I'm sure you've read about that though.

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You aren't a very good practicing Catholic if you can't understand why it's a bad idea to have a pastor/priest who is openly defiant of God's will and would certainly teach/preach the same defiance.

We are certainly allowed to "judge" the incorrect teachings of immoral actors to be incorrect and immoral.

Judging someone as irredeemably lost to damnation is one thing.

However, nonjudgmentalism as the highest regard has contributed to flourishing wickedness and misery.

Nonjudgmentalism is one factor that has lulled people to allowing violent, anarchic, anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-White behavior with impunity.

It is nonjudgmentalism that has allowed the current drug epidemic, deterioration of our cities, decay of civilization, and people living like animals in the streets.

For one example from my 25 years in mental health, it is nonjudgmentalism that ignores a teenage girls promiscuity, leading to parenthood, unstable and often violent relationships, and attempts to "treat" her diagnoses as if they all originated within her brain.

Below are excerpts from The Rush from Judgment by famed psychiatrist Anthony Malcolm Daniels, better known by his pen name Theodore Dalrymple:

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Apologists for nonjudgmentalism point, above all, to its supposed quality of compassion. A man who judges others will sometimes condemn them and therefore deny them aid and assistance: whereas the man who refuses to judge excludes no one from his all-embracing compassion. He never asks where his fellowman's suffering comes from, whether it be self-inflicted or no: for whatever its source, he sympathizes with it and succors the sufferer.

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If the doctor has a duty to relieve the suffering of his patients, he must have some idea where that suffering comes from, and this involves the retention of judgment, including moral judgment. And if, as far as he can tell in good faith, the misery of his patients derives from the way they live, he has a duty to tell them sowhich often involves a more or less explicit condemnation of their way of life as completely incompatible with a satisfying existence. By avoiding the issue, the doctor is not being kind to his patients; he is being cowardly. Moreover, by refusing to place the onus on the patients to improve their lot, he is likely to mislead them into supposing that he has some purely technical or pharmacological answer to their problems, thus helping to perpetuate them.

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In any case, nonjudgmentalism is not really nonjudgmental. It is the judgment that . . . everything is the same, nothing is better. This is as barbaric and untruthful a doctrine as has yet emerged from the fertile mind of man.

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I read the Bible. I'm a practicing Catholic. I also don't judge other people for what they do on a Sunday. Why? Because it's none of my damn business.

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How do you spread the word if you can't tell them what sin is and they should repent?

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I read the Bible. I'm a practicing Catholic. I also don't judge other people for what they do on a Sunday. Why? Because it's none of my damn business.

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How do you spread the word if you can't tell them what sin is and they should repent?

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They don't do that. The UMC is basically a progressive PAC these days.

I went dove hunting in the Rio Grande Valley last year. It is about 97% hispanic. I pull into a coffee shop and there are a bunch of typical white leftist vehicles out front -- Subarus, etc. -- that have all these pro abortion, pro gay, *****Trump bumper stickers all over them. The Valley is blue. But not that kind of blue. It is hard working Mexicans who are Christians and not really progressive. I walk inside and it is a bunch of out of town white United Methodist clergy in town for a conference. Most of them short haired bull dyke looking women. Very out of place for the RGV.

Every single evangelical Christian went all in Trump?

And even if they did they aren't ordaining Trump to be the messenger of God in their churches

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Who gives a **** if they are gay? Nobody forces you to go to the church. I get sick and tired of "Christians" judging people. Isn't God the judge?

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I care. Practicing homosexuals, fornicators, as well as deviants shouldn't lead the church.

Christians aren't necessarily judging but a big point of Jesus's ministry is to repent and sin no more. Openly being of sin and tying that to your identity isn't biblical or even remotely dogmatically congruent with what Christ taught us.

God is the ultimate judge but that doesn't mean we as disciples should be cool with sinners professing their sins openly and proudly with their actions/behavior/identity.

Hope that helps.

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Amen

A church that advertises and promotes sin isn't biblical, it's heretical. Repentance requires an attempt at change. The UMC has removed that requirement.