*** Official Trump Hush Money Trial Thread ***

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3:57p, 5/28/24
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He's correct... but he does need to show that beyond a reasonable doubt Trump committed a crime. That is some serious muddling.

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In reply to nortex97 • 3:57p, 5/28/24
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Not sure if real or parody.

That's just a regular weekday at the White House.
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The court is taking a short break, according to Judge Juan Merchan.
"We're trying to figure this out as we go," Merchan tells the jury, thanking them for making arrangements to stay later.
No s*** Sherlock. Screw you Merchan.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 3:58p, 5/28/24
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I'd be careful with assuming too much from sleepy jurors in this situation. They may not be engaged because they already made up their mind to convict weeks ago
Well, if that's the case, there's nothing anyone can do about that.


Didn't say there was. I just think the "I'm counting at least 6 not guilty votes" based on the perception of who is paying attention is very unreliable and misguided in this case


You are correct.

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In reply to Im Gipper • 3:59p, 5/28/24
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Im Gipper said:
DannyDuberstein said:
AggieUSMC said:
DannyDuberstein said:
I'd be careful with assuming too much from sleepy jurors in this situation. They may not be engaged because they already made up their mind to convict weeks ago
Well, if that's the case, there's nothing anyone can do about that.


Didn't say there was. I just think the "I'm counting at least 6 not guilty votes" based on the perception of who is paying attention is very unreliable and misguided in this case


You are correct.


I will also say that anyone that chooses to convict is a politically motivated moron and part of the problem. This case is a farce and a disgrace to our country.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 4:00p, 5/28/24
Correct again!

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Trump didn't sign the document as part of the conspiracy -- so they could claim Trump never saw the document.
Just pulled into port in Plymouth, Mass.

If the Pilgrims had known what they were going to be in for during that first winter, they almost assuredly would not have come.

If they had known how Juan Merchan was going to run this kangaroo trial and completely shred any iota of truth, honest and fairness 400 years later in a Manhattan courtroom, they definitely would have stayed in England.
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In reply to SpreadsheetAg • 4:01p, 5/28/24
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He's correct... but he does need to show that beyond a reasonable doubt Trump committed a crime. That is some serious muddling.

Yup.

The only way the jury can find him guilty is because they WANT him to be guilty and can't put their biases aside and consider the evidence at hand.

If this wasn't Donald Trump, there's no way in hell a jury would convict based on this weak of a case much less be charged in the first place.
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4:05p, 5/28/24
Just think....

This is all because the left can not understand people not wanting to see Hillary take charge back in 2016
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In reply to Reality Check • 4:10p, 5/28/24
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Why don't they just go ahead and remind the jury of June 10, 1994, the day Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman were brutally murdered, and that they still haven't cleared Donald Trump of that brutal act?
They could get thuper therial and bring up manbearpig.

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In reply to AggieUSMC • 4:12p, 5/28/24
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SpreadsheetAg said:
He's correct... but he does need to show that beyond a reasonable doubt Trump committed a crime. That is some serious muddling.

Yup.

The only way the jury can find him guilty is because they WANT him to be guilty and can't put their biases aside and consider the evidence at hand.

If this wasn't Donald Trump, there's no way in hell a jury would convict based on this weak of a case much less be charged in the first place.
If this wasn't Donald Trump, the case would have never been brought.
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4:14p, 5/28/24
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The court is taking a short break, according to Judge Juan Merchan.
"We're trying to figure this out as we go," Merchan tells the jury, thanking them for making arrangements to stay later.
"I was watching the jurors, they look pretty alert to me," Merchan says, noting that jurors have made arrangements until 7 p.m. ET or 8 p.m. ET.
"I don't think we're losing anyone. I think right now we're going to try to finish this out if we can," he added.
Merchan said the jury seems pretty intent on finishing closings tonight.
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Donald Trump has been engaged and facing the jury and attorney Todd Blanche as the defense made its closing arguments, CNN's Kara Scannell said.
"Trump was very focused on Blanche," Scannell said. She also noted that the jury was also looking directly at Blanche too and also looking down at a monitor which displayed evidence.
The jury seems to be paying similar attention to prosecutor Joshua Steinglass, as he presents his closing arguments, Scannell added, while Trump has been more focused on the evidence monitor.
"We're not seeing any sorts of looks of boredom on the jurors' faces."
"Their eyes are still looking at Steinglass as he's talking as we've been in this marathon day. And their attention seems to be" kept to what Steinglass is saying and the evidence that is being presented to them," she added.
They have cocaine in the jury room? They have to be tired.

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In reply to Daveintx • 4:14p, 5/28/24
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Just think....

This is all because the left can not understand people not wanting to see Hillary take charge back in 2016
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned; especially if the woman is an old battle-axe senator from New York who will then use the state's judicial system to extract justice.
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4:15p, 5/28/24
I once heard a judge in a civil case, presiding over a motion for summary judgment, say to the movant "counsel, your motion is 68 pages long. You're telling me that there isn't a single issue of material fact in a 68 page motion?"

That's kind of how I feel about a four and a half hour closing argument in a criminal case.
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In reply to Hungry Ojos • 4:18p, 5/28/24
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Hungry Ojos said:
I once heard a judge in a civil case, presiding over a motion for summary judgment, say to the movant "counsel, your motion is 68 pages long. You're telling me that there isn't a single issue of material fact in a 68 page motion?"

That's kind of how I feel about a four and a half hour closing argument in a criminal case.
IIRC, in the Waukesha Christmas Parade case, the state took just over two hours in summation. And they had six dead and 72 injured, a massive case.
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4:19p, 5/28/24
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Donald Trump is back in court. His attorney Todd Blanche is whispering to him as they wait the judge. Attorney Susan Necheles also walked over to talk to Trump.

Trump's entourage including Tiffany, Eric and Donald Trump, Jr. are all still here, too.
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4:23p, 5/28/24
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Judge Juan Merchan is on the bench and the court is back in session after taking a short break.
So two and a half hours to go?
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4:25p, 5/28/24
What type of tragic event they got teed up to capture the news cycle in the event of a loss here?

Bet it's somthin' real special.
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In reply to Hungry Ojos • 4:26p, 5/28/24
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I once heard a judge in a civil case, presiding over a motion for summary judgment, say to the movant "counsel, your motion is 68 pages long. You're telling me that there isn't a single issue of material fact in a 68 page motion?"
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I heard Dale Wainwright say this several times when he was still on the Harris county District Court bench

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Judge Juan Merchan is on the bench and the court is back in session after taking a short break.
So two and a half hours to go?
Sometimes stuff sounds good on paper until you got to do it in front of a jury.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 4:30p, 5/28/24
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aggiehawg said:
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Judge Juan Merchan is on the bench and the court is back in session after taking a short break.
So two and a half hours to go?
Sometimes stuff sounds good on paper until you got to do it in front of a jury.
True. but that's what your family or fellow workers are for. To give you feedback on what falls flat and to cut it out.

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Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass resumes his closing argument after a short break. Steinglass is now discussing "payments and cover up" in his powerpoint.
Oh goody, a powerpoint. <groan>
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4:30p, 5/28/24
I'm sure the rioters are at the ready
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4:31p, 5/28/24
He isn't getting a not guilty. At best a hung jury. Bragg vows to refile and tries to tie him up in September/October.
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4:32p, 5/28/24
Best case scenario businesses continue to abandon the state of New York. The tax base continues to erode and these folks left to waller in their own filth.
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Former President Donald Trump is including his commentary on the ongoing hush money trial against him on Truth Social.
While the court was taking a short break Tuesday afternoon, Trump posted on the platform, "BORING!"
In another post, also during the break, Trump said, "FILIBUSTER!"
The court is going later than usual tonight as lawyers finish their closing arguments. The prosecution has been giving its summary to the jury since roughly 2 p.m. ET.
LOL.

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Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass is now showing jurors the bank statement from Michael Cohen that he brought in to Allen Weisselberg.

"Right on the bank statement, Weisselberg and Cohen calculated all the money that was owed to Cohen," Steinglass says.
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In reply to Daveintx • 4:33p, 5/28/24
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I'm sure the rioters are at the ready
Heard that pallets of bricks got delivered too early and migrants have built a shanty town.
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In reply to dallasiteinsa02 • 4:33p, 5/28/24
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He isn't getting a not guilty. At best a hung jury. Bragg vows to refile and tries to tie him up in September/October.


From what I gather the Trump team believes they may have a friendly juror.
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In reply to MiamiHopper • 4:37p, 5/28/24
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dallasiteinsa02 said:
He isn't getting a not guilty. At best a hung jury. Bragg vows to refile and tries to tie him up in September/October.


From what I gather the Trump team believes they may have a friendly juror.

This caused me to deep dive into democrat discussion boards. The talk track is that he is guilty, but rich powerful white men never face any real consequences.
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In reply to dallasiteinsa02 • 4:38p, 5/28/24
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He isn't getting a not guilty. At best a hung jury. Bragg vows to refile and tries to tie him up in September/October.
You may be right.

How ****ed would that be if they declare a mistrial and turn around and try and redo this case with 160-days until election.

News cycle reflects that it's 1:30 am at the bar and desperation is in the air.
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Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass says after the 2016 election, Michael Cohen went around complaining that he still hadn't been repaid for the $130,000 he fronted to adult film actress Stormy Daniels.
Steinglass showed the jury more testimony from David Pecker who said in December of 2016 that Cohen complained to him about it.
"I understood he was complaining that he has not been repaid," a portion of the transcript shows.
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Prosecutors Joshua Steinglass is zeroing in on the hush money payment at the center of the case as he continues to deliver his closing argument.
According to prosecutors, on October 27, 2016, Cohen paid Stormy Daniels $130,000 to her attorney through a shell company in exchange for her silence about an affair she allegedly had with Trump in 2006.
Trump has publicly denied having an affair with Daniels and denied making the payments.
Prosecutors say Daniels first brought her story to American Media Inc., whose executives brought the story to Cohen on Trump's behalf.
According to prosecutors, Trump directed Cohen to delay making the payment as long as possible, telling him if they delayed paying until after the election they could avoid paying it at all.
The former president has been accused of taking part in an illegal conspiracy to undermine the integrity of the 2016 election and an unlawful plan to suppress negative information, which included the payment to Daniels.
Prosecutors allege that Trump allegedly disguised the transaction as a legal payment and falsified business records numerous times to "promote his candidacy."
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 4:41p, 5/28/24
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dallasiteinsa02 said:
He isn't getting a not guilty. At best a hung jury. Bragg vows to refile and tries to tie him up in September/October.
You may be right.

How ****ed would that be if they declare a mistrial and turn around and try and redo this case with 160-days until election.

News cycle reflects that it's 1:30 am at the bar and desperation is in the air.

Would Merchan oversee a retrial or a different judge?
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:
dallasiteinsa02 said:
He isn't getting a not guilty. At best a hung jury. Bragg vows to refile and tries to tie him up in September/October.
You may be right.

How ****ed would that be if they declare a mistrial and turn around and try and redo this case with 160-days until election.

News cycle reflects that it's 1:30 am at the bar and desperation is in the air.

Would Merchan oversee a retrial or a different judge?
It will be his daughter.
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dallasiteinsa02 said:
MiamiHopper said:
dallasiteinsa02 said:
He isn't getting a not guilty. At best a hung jury. Bragg vows to refile and tries to tie him up in September/October.
From what I gather the Trump team believes they may have a friendly juror.
This caused me to deep dive into democrat discussion boards. The talk track is that he is guilty, but rich powerful white men never face any real consequences.
The sins of the collective thrust onto a single man who is then prosecuted on the testimony of a harlot.

Unprecedented!
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Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass is reading to the jury excerpts from Michael Cohen's testimony describing the Trump Tower meeting.
In his testimony, Cohen agrees that it was described as a retainer agreement in front of Trump.
Cohen testified he and former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg went into Trump's office to get his approval on the repayment plan. Cohen testified, "He approved it and he also said, "This is going to be one heck of a ride in DC."
"We don't have to prove that the defendant made and created the false entries himself," he says, adding that Trump is guilty of false business records when he makes or causes a false entry in his business records. Steinglass says the "reimbursement scheme. That is causing false entries. Period."
Now who is lecturing the jurors about the law?
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