When your case is really horrible, you need a liberal lawyer on the jury to convince them he's guillty.SwigAg11 said:Two Manhattan lawyers.Science Denier said:Two lawyers on the jury. LOLSwigAg11 said:
I must be an eternal pessimist because I think that none of this even matters and the case was already lost at voir dire base on the jury pool.
Plenty of crackpot attorneys out there with zero regard for the law or how it should work, just like in any other profession. So, automatically assuming that 2 lawyers means that there will be 2 people there that can look at things through unbiased lens.... LOLScience Denier said:Two lawyers on the jury. LOLSwigAg11 said:
I must be an eternal pessimist because I think that none of this even matters and the case was already lost at voir dire base on the jury pool.
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Michael Cohen says that Donald Trump told him about meeting Stormy Daniels and explained that quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was also there.
Cohen says Trump told him: "Women prefer Mr. Trump even over someone like 'Big Ben.'"
There's no reaction from Trump at the defense table to this. He's got his eyes closed again.
I''m saying just the opposite.RafterAg223 said:Plenty of crackpot attorneys out there with zero regard for the law or how it should work, just like in any other profession. So, automatically assuming that 2 lawyers means that there will be 2 people there that can look at things through unbiased lens.... LOLScience Denier said:Two lawyers on the jury. LOLSwigAg11 said:
I must be an eternal pessimist because I think that none of this even matters and the case was already lost at voir dire base on the jury pool.
Don't disagree with that.RafterAg223 said:Plenty of crackpot attorneys out there with zero regard for the law or how it should work, just like in any other profession. So, automatically assuming that 2 lawyers means that there will be 2 people there that can look at things through unbiased lens.... LOLScience Denier said:Two lawyers on the jury. LOLSwigAg11 said:
I must be an eternal pessimist because I think that none of this even matters and the case was already lost at voir dire base on the jury pool.
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Michael Cohen is being shown more texts he exchanged with former National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard.
He placed his glasses on before he read the texts for the jury.
In the texts, Cohen told Howard that he had formed Resolution Consultants LLC a week prior to the text exchange. He says he told him about the LLC because it was what would be used to buy the Stormy Daniels life rights.
The "business opportunity" referenced in the text was the "acquisition of the life rights of Stormy Daniels," Cohen said.
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As we approach lunchtime, Michael Cohen seems to be getting fatigued on the witness stand.
He's asked a few times now to have questions repeated to him.
Cohen also paused for several seconds before identifying attorney Keith Davidson, who he had been talking about repeatedly in this part of his testimony.
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Michael Cohen is now reading an October 10, 2016, text National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard sent to both Cohen and Ketih Davidson, Stormy Daniels' attorney.Quote:
"Keith/Michael. Connecting you both in regards to that business opportunity. Spoke to client this AM and they're confirmed to proceed with the opportunity. Thanks. Dylan."
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Michael Cohen says he kept Donald Trump informed about the Stormy Daniels situation.
"That was what I always did, which was to keep him abreast of everything," he says
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As we approach lunchtime, Michael Cohen seems to be getting fatigued on the witness stand.
He's asked a few times now to have questions repeated to him.
Cohen also paused for several seconds before identifying attorney Keith Davidson, who he had been talking about repeatedly in this part of his testimony.
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Donald Trump wanted the Stormy Daniels situation under wraps until after the election, according to Michael Cohen.Cohen adds: "He wasn't even thinking about Melania. This was all about the campaign."Quote:
Trump said at the time, according to Cohen:
"I want you to just push it out as long as you can just get past the election. Because if I win it will have no relevance because I'm president. And if I lose, I don't even care."
Trump smirks and shakes his head at that remark.
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Michael Cohen is now being shown an email from Keith Davidson, which includes an attachment of the initial settlement agreement between Stormy Daniels and Donald Trump from October 10, 2016.
The email was sent from Davidson on October 11, 2016. The settlement was dated October 10.
Cohen testified that by October 11, he and Davidson had already agreed on the terms of the agreement, including the $130,000 sum and the liquidated damages clause of $1 million per violation. Cohen says the $1 million damages clause was his idea.
This only shows that he was not thinking of Melania at that conversation.Quote:
Cohen adds: "He wasn't even thinking about Melania. This was all about the campaign."
Trump smirks and shakes his head at that remark.
More legal advice and action.Quote:
Michael Cohen testifies it was his idea to include a punitive damages clause penalizing Stormy Daniels if she violated the agreement "to ensure that she didn't speak."
Sounds like speculation to me.aggiehawg said:Quote:
Cohen adds: "He wasn't even thinking about Melania. This was all about the campaign."
Trump smirks and shakes his head at that remark.
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Michael Cohen said he was the only person who would retain the side-letter agreement to ensure that "the information would never get out."
About the document: The one-page agreement stated that the names Peggy Peterson and David Dennison, which referred to Stormy Daniels and Donald Trump.
Which here falls under the crime-fraud exception.aggiehawg said:More legal advice and action.Quote:
Michael Cohen testifies it was his idea to include a punitive damages clause penalizing Stormy Daniels if she violated the agreement "to ensure that she didn't speak."
It is.Ellis Wyatt said:Sounds like speculation to me.aggiehawg said:Quote:
Cohen adds: "He wasn't even thinking about Melania. This was all about the campaign."
Trump smirks and shakes his head at that remark.
And therein lies the hook and why Merchan will not take the case away from the jury by granting any motion to dismiss.Quote:
Michael Cohen said he had asked for a 10-day delay to get the funds together for Stormy Daniels' agreement and then he planned to delay again, "which is what I was instructed to do. Push it past the Election Day."
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The court is breaking for lunch. Judge Juan Merchan is off the bench.
"See you at 2 p.m.," Merchan says.
Does it? Which crime? Which fraud?Quote:
Which here falls under the crime-fraud exception.
Aaah, the crime-that-cannot-be-named. Whatever that turns out to be.Im Gipper said:
The crimes alleged in the Indictment.
This testimony, as uncredible as it may be, is regarding things they discussed regarding the mysterious underlying crime and the "cover up" with the fraudulent documents.
How is this statement allowed? I thought you weren't allowed to speculate on what someone else was thinking? Why would the defense not object to this?aggiehawg said:Quote:
Cohen adds: "He wasn't even thinking about Melania. This was all about the campaign."
Trump smirks and shakes his head at that remark.
That doesn't make sense to me at all. Why does he need the delay if Trump had already green lighted it?Quote:
Prior to the lunch break, Donald Trump's ex-attorney Michael Cohen testified about the campaign's concerns about Trump's standing with women and Cohen's efforts to buy adult film actress Stormy Daniels' story.
On October 7, 2016, The Washington Post published an "Access Hollywood" video from 2005 in which Trump used vulgar language to describe his sexual approach to women. The story threatened to hurt Trump's campaign, particularly its standing with female voters.
Cohen testified he learned from the National Enquirer higher-ups that Daniels was looking to sell her story about an alleged affair with Trump in 2006. If released publicly, her story would be "catastrophic" for the campaign, Cohen said.
"(Trump) said to me, 'This is a disaster, a total disaster, women are going to hate me. This is really a disaster. Women will hate me. Guys, they think it's cool. But this is going to be a disaster for the campaign,'" Cohen testified.
Trump told him to stop Daniels' story from getting out, he testified. Trump said at the time, "I want you to just push it out as long as you can, just get past the election, because if I win it will have no relevance because I'm president, and if I lose, I don't even care," according to Cohen.
"He wasn't even thinking about Melania, this was all about the campaign," Cohen testified.
On October 10, National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard sent a text to Cohen and Daniels' attorney Keith Davidson to connect them about a "business opportunity," a reference to a "catch-and-kill" deal for Daniels' story, Cohen testified. The next day, they agreed on a deal to pay $130,000 in exchange for Daniels' rights to the story.
Cohen then asked for a 10-day delay to get the funds together, but he said he planned to delay again to push the timeline past Election Day on November 8, per Trump's instructions.
Im Gipper said:Which here falls under the crime-fraud exception.aggiehawg said:More legal advice and action.Quote:
Michael Cohen testifies it was his idea to include a punitive damages clause penalizing Stormy Daniels if she violated the agreement "to ensure that she didn't speak."
No, I don't think there was any crime, but this is why Team Trump is not raising a stink. They know it is admissible.
Judge Merchan, that's how.AustinAg2K said:How is this statement allowed? I thought you weren't allowed to speculate on what someone else was thinking? Why would the defense not object to this?aggiehawg said:Quote:
Cohen adds: "He wasn't even thinking about Melania. This was all about the campaign."
Trump smirks and shakes his head at that remark.
Not that I have seen but then again the prosecution would not ever ask him that.SwigAg11 said:
Before everything today, or I guess early in Cohen's testimony, did they ask him if he'd been following along with the trial?
It shouldn't be allowed.AustinAg2K said:How is this statement allowed? I thought you weren't allowed to speculate on what someone else was thinking? Why would the defense not object to this?aggiehawg said:Quote:
Cohen adds: "He wasn't even thinking about Melania. This was all about the campaign."
Trump smirks and shakes his head at that remark.
Maybe I had assumed the defense would bring it up before he's brought in. Or they could try to "trap" him during cross?aggiehawg said:Not that I have seen but then again the prosecution would not ever ask him that.SwigAg11 said:
Before everything today, or I guess early in Cohen's testimony, did they ask him if he'd been following along with the trial?
aggiehawg said:That doesn't make sense to me at all. Why does he need the delay if Trump had already green lighted it?Quote:
Prior to the lunch break, Donald Trump's ex-attorney Michael Cohen testified about the campaign's concerns about Trump's standing with women and Cohen's efforts to buy adult film actress Stormy Daniels' story.
On October 7, 2016, The Washington Post published an "Access Hollywood" video from 2005 in which Trump used vulgar language to describe his sexual approach to women. The story threatened to hurt Trump's campaign, particularly its standing with female voters.
Cohen testified he learned from the National Enquirer higher-ups that Daniels was looking to sell her story about an alleged affair with Trump in 2006. If released publicly, her story would be "catastrophic" for the campaign, Cohen said.
"(Trump) said to me, 'This is a disaster, a total disaster, women are going to hate me. This is really a disaster. Women will hate me. Guys, they think it's cool. But this is going to be a disaster for the campaign,'" Cohen testified.
Trump told him to stop Daniels' story from getting out, he testified. Trump said at the time, "I want you to just push it out as long as you can, just get past the election, because if I win it will have no relevance because I'm president, and if I lose, I don't even care," according to Cohen.
"He wasn't even thinking about Melania, this was all about the campaign," Cohen testified.
On October 10, National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard sent a text to Cohen and Daniels' attorney Keith Davidson to connect them about a "business opportunity," a reference to a "catch-and-kill" deal for Daniels' story, Cohen testified. The next day, they agreed on a deal to pay $130,000 in exchange for Daniels' rights to the story.
Cohen then asked for a 10-day delay to get the funds together, but he said he planned to delay again to push the timeline past Election Day on November 8, per Trump's instructions.
Which raises another question for me. Why use a HELOC if Cohen did not want his own wife to know? She had to be on that HELOC no?
They have a plan I guess.Quote:
Maybe I had assumed the defense would bring it up before he's brought in. Or they could try to "trap" him during cross?
I'm assuming that if he admits to following along with the trial, then his testimony could be thrown out?
In Texas, she would have to be.Quote:
That doesn't make sense to me at all. Why does he need the delay if Trump had already green lighted it?
Which raises another question for me. Why use a HELOC if Cohen did not want his own wife to know? She had to be on that HELOC no?
SwigAg11 said:
I must be an eternal pessimist because I think that none of this even matters and the case was already lost at voir dire based on the jury pool available.
This is more my issue with the media, the lies and fake stories they tell about powerful people on the opposite side of their ideology to fit their agenda is one thing, those people have the money and power to deal with it.... but you know this post says is true. Some lib journalist will expose a juror in this situation. They're completely fine with destroying an an average Joe citizen's life if need be.rwpag71 said:SwigAg11 said:
I must be an eternal pessimist because I think that none of this even matters and the case was already lost at voir dire based on the jury pool available.
If the Left is demanding a guilty verdict, then God help anyone who stands in the way of that. Can't be more than one or two on that panel who hadn't found Trump guilty before opening statements. Want to be a lone holdout? Get ready to be identified within 48 hours of the verdict and be prepared to have every aspect of your life sifted through a fine screen. You will be lucky to keep your job or business
