*** Official Trump Hush Money Trial Thread ***

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aggiehawg said:

The Hill has one but doesn't update often.

If you are on twitter/X follow Inner City Press. he's more thorough. (I am not on twitter.)

I will second following Inner City Press. That feed has been very detailed in real time and has included several objections where appropriate.
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Call logs show former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg left a voicemail for Michael Cohen on October 23.
Cohen testified that he recalls the message was following up on how the Stormy Daniels nondisclosure agreement was going to get funded.
He also called Weisselberg at 7:23 p.m. ET on October 25.
Cohen testified that it was unusual to talk to Weisselberg after hours.
"It had to do with the Stormy Daniels matter" and he says, "there was significant urgency."
Cohen said, citing the call logs, "I needed to speak to Mr. Trump and knew that Keith Schiller was with him," the evening of October 24.
He called "to discuss the Stormy Daniels matter and the resolution of it," Cohen said.
If we are this deep into the Stormy NDA, Cohen will not be on direct for too much longer. I expect the state to pass the witness before the end of the day.
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Michael Cohen is looking at the jury directly as he explains why he chose a home equity line of credit (HELOC) to fund the Stormy Daniels payment: It was paperless.
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"I elected to use the HELOC. And once I received the money back from Mr. Trump, I would just deposit it and no one would be the wiser," Cohen testifies.
He didn't draw money from his personal bank account because his wife was "CEO of the household" and she would notice a $130,000 withdrawal, Cohen says.
"She would've asked me and I clearly could not tell her and that would've been a problem to me."
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Michael Cohen spoke with David Pecker and Dylan Howard on October 25.
Cohen says he asked Pecker if he would make the payment. "I figured why not ask," Cohen says.
Donald Trump leaned in to say something to his attorney Todd Blanche. He briefly looked over in Cohen's direction.
Pecker said, "Not a chance," according to Cohen.
"I had to get this done," Cohen says on the stand. "This would be catastrophic to the campaign."
Trump exhaled opening his eyes briefly. He pointed to something in front of Blanche as he said something to him.
More on this: This is Cohen explaining why he reached back out to Pecker to fund the deal, determined to get the Stormy Daniels agreement nailed down.
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Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger is showing jurors a "flurry" of calls between Michael Cohen and ex-National Enquirer publisher David Pecker on the Signal app.
"Yes," Cohen says with a laugh as to why there were so many calls. "
"Signal is terrible with keeping phone calls. They drop all the time."
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SwigAg11 said:

aggiehawg said:

The Hill has one but doesn't update often.

If you are on twitter/X follow Inner City Press. he's more thorough. (I am not on twitter.)

I will second following Inner City Press. That feed has been very detailed in real time and has included several objections where appropriate.
By all means feel free to post those tweets. More info is better.
SwigAg11
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That would be shocking to me. I assume the prosecution will stretch this out to cover the "repayments".
Maroon Dawn
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Are we going to ever get to anything that is actually a crime?
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Is Donald Trump the most surveilled person to have ever lived?

I ask because every time Trump is accused of something there's always a secret recording of it and at least some of the time the recording is made by his own lawyers.

So is Trump the most surveilled US citizen of all time and the most surveilled person of all time?
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SwigAg11 said:

That would be shocking to me. I assume the prosecution will stretch this out to cover the "repayments".
That took about an hour or so with the controller and th AP gal who cut the checks. Cheks are already in evidence so no need to ask him any foundational questions which draw out direct exams.
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Jurors are also shown a call record between Allen Weisselberg and Michael Cohen on the evening of October 25, 2016.
Donald Trump briefly chats with his attorney Emil Bove, turning away from Cohen to whisper to his lawyer.
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Michael Cohen had two phone calls with Trump around 8:30 a.m. on October 26, 2016, before Cohen went across the street to the bank to make the payment to Keith Davidson.
"I wanted to ensure that once again he approved what I was doing because I require approval from him on all of this," Cohen says.
Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger follows up and asks whether Cohen would have gone forward to the bank without Trump's approval. "No," Cohen says.
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"Everything required Mr. Trump's sign-off, on top of that I wanted the money back," he says.

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Maintain my position that Donald Trump is the most experienced litigant of all time, and also that Donald Trump is the most surveilled person of all time.
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Michael Cohen testifies that on the two October 26, 2016, calls with Donald Trump, he was "laying out exactly what was going to happen in order to ensure the (Stormy Daniels) story didn't get sold to Daily Mail or somebody else. "

Cohen says he told Trump he was going across the street to the bank to open the account for the LLC that would wire the money to Daniels.
Some of this is in direct contradiction to emails with Davidson that are in evidence. Cohen was complaining he could not reach Trump as he was on the campaign trail and he (Cohen) would just "do it" himself.
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Trump is looking up at Michael Cohen as he testifies.
On why Trump was not included on the bank documentation, Cohen says, "again it was to protect him and to isolate him from the transaction."
Pursing his lips, Trump smiled and nodded as Cohen said this.
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Michael Cohen says that the documentation he gave to the bank about Essential Consultants LLC was false.
He says it was false in order "to hide the intent of the reason for opening Essential Consultants, which is to pay for a nondisclosure agreement."
Asked if he thought the bank would open the account if he was truthful, Cohen says, "I believe that they probably would not."
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Maroon Dawn said:

Are we going to ever get to anything that is actually a crime?
There will be protracted discussions of Michael Cohen's crimes when he is on cross.
Maroon Dawn
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I'm still waiting for the prosecution to present the only evidence that matters:

Trump specifically saying "be sure to pay her off with campaign money"

Gyles Marrett
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I keep going back to let's say everything he's said is true....and they want to say it benefited his campaign. There's no limit on personal funds for your campaign. So the issue is the accounting entry, which so far not even Cohen has said Trump directed how it be recorded in their books.

So I'm still trying to figure out the answer to the dumb question of "What was the crime?"
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Michael Cohen is shown an email from his bank saying that funds had been transferred from his HELOC.

He says he sent the email to Stormy Daniels' attorney Keith Davidson "in order to demonstrate to him that the deal is going to be consummated, that we're moving forward with it, make sure everything stays locked down, that Ms. Daniels is under control."
And that Davidson knew Cohen was making the payment from his personal HELOC?
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Maroon Dawn said:

I'm still waiting for the prosecution to present the only evidence that matters:

Trump specifically saying "be sure to pay her off with campaign money"


That is not the claim in the case, you will be waiting a long time!

I'm Gipper
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The jury is now being shown the wire transfer from Michael Cohen's Essential Consultants account to Keith Davidson's account.

The document states the purpose of the wire is "retainer." Cohen says that is not truthful.
Bank fraud everywhere!
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Michael Cohen says the real reason for the wire transfer was "to pay Stormy Daniels to execute the non-disclosure agreement and to obtain the story, her life rights."
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Im Gipper said:

Maroon Dawn said:

I'm still waiting for the prosecution to present the only evidence that matters:

Trump specifically saying "be sure to pay her off with campaign money"


That is not the claim in the case, you will be waiting a long time!


As you said, still not seeing what the crime even is here
Casual Cynic
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So we just have to believe Cohen that everything he said then was a lie but now he's being completely truthful?
Gyles Marrett
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aggiehawg said:

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Michael Cohen is shown an email from his bank saying that funds had been transferred from his HELOC.

He says he sent the email to Stormy Daniels' attorney Keith Davidson "in order to demonstrate to him that the deal is going to be consummated, that we're moving forward with it, make sure everything stays locked down, that Ms. Daniels is under control."
And that Davidson knew Cohen was making the payment from his personal HELOC?
umm, if I'm Daniels attorney and I see he's showing me the funds are coming from is personal HELOC my client isn't signing anything as I wouldn't trust Trump is actually signing anything.

will25u
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Casual Cynic said:

So we just have to believe Cohen that everything he said then was a lie but now he's being completely truthful?
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I would spend about 4 hours making him admit every time he lied under oath, the details of the lies, and that he told the lies to help himself.

Then I would go over every key piece of his testimony where I could confidently say "But there is no evidence of that other than what you have said here."

That would be the plan. Depending on how it went, that might be all. Just drive home the point there is no reason for the Jury to credit any part of his testimony as being true based on his long history of saying whatever he thinks advances his own interest in any given situation -- true or not.


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This case seems all over the place. Have they put together the jury charge yet? Seems like a good 2-3 days right there.
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Michael Cohen testifies he "immediately" let Donald Trump know he had the signed agreement from Stormy Daniels.
He also explains why he did so:
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"One, so that he would know the matter the task he gave to me was finished, accomplished, done," Cohen says.
It was also for "credit for myself, so he knew it was done and I finished it."
"This was important," Cohen adds

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

This case seems all over the place. Have they put together the jury charge yet? Seems like a good 2-3 days right there.
The charge will likely just be "Orange man bad."
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

This case seems all over the place. Have they put together the jury charge yet? Seems like a good 2-3 days right there.
No. Have not hammered out all of them yet. Merchan has been working on them, though.
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The jury is shown the side agreement between David Dennison and Peggy Peterson.
These are pseudonyms: Peggy Peterson for Stormy Daniels and David Dennison for Trump.
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Trump's name was nowhere on the agreement and he did not sign it, according to Cohen, "because the purpose of it was to ensure his name didn't appear anywhere because he's the candidate for president of the United States of America and this would not have been in his benefit to do so."
Cohen said he initialed EC in the signature spaces for Essential Consultants.
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Michael Cohen says that he thought that "down the road" he would transfer the Essential Consultants LLC to Donald Trump, so that he would then own the life rights.
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aggiehawg said:

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Michael Cohen testifies he "immediately" let Donald Trump know he had the signed agreement from Stormy Daniels.
He also explains why he did so:
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"One, so that he would know the matter the task he gave to me was finished, accomplished, done," Cohen says.
It was also for "credit for myself, so he knew it was done and I finished it."
"This was important," Cohen adds


If he's to the point in his career working for Trump that he has an office right down from DT why is he constantly so concerned about proving himself to DT that he's accomplishing stuff? Seems like there was some history of untrustworthy experiences he was trying to regain the trust from.
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Gyles Marrett said:

aggiehawg said:

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Michael Cohen testifies he "immediately" let Donald Trump know he had the signed agreement from Stormy Daniels.
He also explains why he did so:
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"One, so that he would know the matter the task he gave to me was finished, accomplished, done," Cohen says.
It was also for "credit for myself, so he knew it was done and I finished it."
"This was important," Cohen adds


If he's to the point in his career working for Trump that he has an office right down from DT why is he constantly so concerned about proving himself to DT that he's accomplishing stuff? Seems like there was some history of untrustworthy experiences he was trying to regain the trust from.
Creating his own narrative. He wanted to be in the Whitehouse if Trump won.
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If he's to the point in his career working for Trump that he has an office right down from DT why is he constantly so concerned about proving himself to DT that he's accomplishing stuff? Seems like there was some history of untrustworthy experiences he was trying to regain the trust from.
Or Cohen is an obsequious glory hound.
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Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger is now moving on to the November 4, 2016, article from the Wall Street Journal about Karen McDougal and AMI, the publisher of the National Enquirer, four days before the election.
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Michael Cohen called Donald Trump on October 28 at 11:48 a.m. They spoke for 5 minutes.
It was the same day Cohen signed the nondisclosure agreement and side letter.
He said he told Trump "That this matter is now completely under control and locked down."
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The jury is seeing call logs indicating there were many calls between Michael Cohen and Hope Hicks on November 4, between 4:51 p.m. and 9:15 p.m.
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Cohen said they were "getting our heads around this article, figuring out how to change the narrative and how to quash any of the negative results that would come from it because it was days before the election."

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Michael Cohen says he understood ahead of time that the Wall Street Journal story was going to be about Karen McDougal but also would mention Stormy Daniels.
When asked by prosecutor Susan Hoffinger, Cohen confirmed he reached out to Hope Hicks and David Pecker to coordinate the situation.
He spoke to them "so that we could all coalesce around this issue in an attempt to again quell the potential effects of an article like this."
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Hope Hicks sent Michael Cohen an email at 5:29 p.m. with several potential statements to respond to the Wall Street Journal story.

Cohen says the email was a "series of ideas and thoughts to use to the media" ... to "get control over the release of the article."
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Michael Cohen says he spoke with Stormy Daniels' attorney Keith Davidson seven times that day.
Cohen says he "wanted to ensure Ms. Daniels did not go rogue."
Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger also asks if he spoke to Davidson about Karen McDougal. "Yes," Cohen says, as if it stirred his memory.
"Were you angry at him?" Hoffinger asks.
"Very," Cohen says.
"She was his client, and I respected that he would have this under control," Cohen says of Davidson, adding, "I wanted to ensure Mr. Trump was safe."
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