Old Army Metal said:

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1.4% owned slaves but what percentage fought and/or died for the right to do so

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Zero. Not a one.

Many died over the rights of states to govern like the constitution said they could.

Old Army Metal said:

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1.4% owned slaves but what percentage fought and/or died for the right to do so

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I had like 3 IPAs cooking dinner, I'm not going to solve a math problem.

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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1.4% owned slaves but what percentage fought and/or died for the right to do so

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I had like 3 IPAs cooking dinner, I'm not going to solve a math problem.

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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1.4% owned slaves but what percentage fought and/or died for the right to do so

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I had like 3 IPAs cooking dinner, I'm not going to solve a math problem.

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By his logic he just confirmed he is a communist considering far more than 1.4% of his party are avowed marxists.

The free population of the US in 1860 was 27,489,560. That means at most 384,854 slave owners. With 3,953,762 slaves. Or 10.27 slaves each. I guess that number sounds realistic.

I think this stat surprises people because modern historiography treats the antebellum South as a land of slaves, slave owners, and people who sat around thinking "How can I hurt a Black person today?", without nothing else noteworthy about Southern culture.

Like if the Red States win the Second Civil War, and from then on the Blue Staters are "the people who were sexually promiscuous and got abortions" and nothing else.

Old Army Metal said:

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1.4% owned slaves but what percentage fought and/or died for the right to do so

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It's crazy that people still think a bunch of young southern boys were fighting and dying like "yeahhh slavery!!!". Yea, slavery was a significant factor in the war overall…but young men like Robert E Lee, who apparently tussled with what side he should fight on, saw war being declared on their home states, which at the time were more like a person's country. Most never even left their state for foreign states.

Slavery wasn't the motivation for the vast vast majority fighting.

Blacks also owned slaves. African Americans owning African slaves in America. Ripley's...

That should keep Goal Tenders and Gaslighters busy for a bit.

MaroonStain said:

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Blacks also owned slaves. African Americans owning African slaves in America. Ripley's...

That should keep Goal Tenders and Gaslighters busy for a bit.

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Don't forget Native American Indians, too.

techno-ag said:

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MaroonStain said:

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Blacks also owned slaves. African Americans owning African slaves in America. Ripley's...

That should keep Goal Tenders and Gaslighters busy for a bit.

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Don't forget Native American Indians, too.

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Yeah, there were a few tribes who supported the Confederacy because of that.

DrEvazanPhD said:

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Can't be true. I have it in good authority that every white person owned a slave that they personally caught in Africa.

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And whipped them daily, just for the fun of it!

GeorgiAg said:

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My family moved to Georgia in the late 1700s. My grandfather had an old safe with some old "artifacts" there.



My [i don't know how many Greats to put] Grandfather fought in a Confederate Unit. My [? Greats] Grandmother sewed the battle flag for the Emanuel County Calvary Rough and Ready Guard which is also still in the safe. When Sherman came through she stood on top of the hay bales so he wouldn't burn them. There would be nothing to feed the livestock in the winter and they'd starve.

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My greats and great-greats were from Emanuel county also. A few died serving in the confederate army. How much info do you have on the Rough and Ready guard?

I would bet that the slave ownership rate by free blacks was higher than the ownership rate by whites.

techno-ag said:

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If you know Mark Lutchman, he's a conservative black who knows how to grab the spotlight. Recently he tweeted out that only 1.6% of Americans owned slaves, "so you can stop basing your hate for the entire white race for the actions of a mere 1.6%."

False! Snopes claims (via MSN). In fact the real percentage was …



1.4%

So libs can rest easy tonight knowing the fact checkers at Snopes have put to bed another vicious conservative twisting of the truth.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/it-s-claimed-that-only-1-6-of-us-citizens-owned-slaves-in-1860-we-ran-the-numbers/ar-BB1l1qVm

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This is like winning the battle but losing the war.

Brilliantly hilarious! I don't see how they/ them can recover from that troll/ burn. LOL!!!

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Take anything from Snopes with a grain of salt. A large grain of salt.

Snopes grew out of the old alt.folklore.urban newsgroup. The Mikkelson's proclaimed themselves to be the sole determinent of truth and wrote the faq for the group. Snopes grew out of that.

One example of their idiocy was their proclaimed that no small planes were being manufactured in the United States because of legal liabilities. They were blatantly wrong and it took months to get them to admit their stupid mistake.

They also refused to believe the Zsha Zsha Gabor incident on the Tonight Show ("Do you want to pet my *****?" "Sure. Move the damn cat.") and proclaimed that the only way to convince them that it happened was to show a copy of the show. At the time that happened, of course, people didn't have video recorders to and the network wasn't sharing their tapes. There were news articles, but they didn't say explicitly what happened.

Snopes definitely has its biases.

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Snopes has reliability issues to be sure, but the Zsha Zsha Gabor story didn't actually happen. It's the OG pop culture example of the Mandela effect, just a mass false memory. And the same exact story has been told just with Gabor replaced with about a half dozen other actresses across time. You can usually figure out how old someone is based on which actress the story is told about.

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Slavery wasn't the motivation for the vast vast majority fighting.

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I can assure you the motivation for most of those fighting was 1) they were drafted and the alternative was going to jail and 2) survival.

This entire movement of liberal Democrats condemning monuments to Confederate soldiers makes as much sense as them spitting on and cursing draftees as they returned from Vietnam. But at least they're consistent in their ignorance cloaked in idealism.

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My family moved from Germany to Goliad in 1846. Back then German farmers did not use slaves as labor, rather the labor came from the family members. This is how it was for generations. My grandfather quit school in the 6th grade to work full time on the farm as he was the oldest and this is what was expected. No one in our family ever owned slaves, and there is no knowledge of other German families in the area that owned slaves.

Also my family did not get involved in the Civil War. That was not of any interest to them, they had a farm to keep and a family to feed. I am sure this is the case for many others that have family in Texas of German or Czech decent.

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Was some of your family slaughtered being true to der union? If they lived in Texas trust me they were involved in some way. Majority of the Czechs didn't come to Texas until after the Civil War.

Now what percentage of Africa was involved in the slave trade on the sell side?

Two G-G-Grandfathers and two G-G-Uncles fought for the Gentlemen of the South in the War of Unjustified Northern Aggression. None owned slaves.

This is a map, made in 1859, of the slave plantations of Brazos County Texas. There are over 50 plantations in Brazos County and it is just a small county on the very edge of the slave states.

So the owners may be 1.4%, but add their dependents, the percentage increases. Now add the people and their families, that depended on slavery for a living and the percentage increases. Now add the bankers, and their dependents, that used slaves as collateral for loans and the percentage increases. And so on. Slavery was a major engine of the slave holding states economies...

https://150.bryantx.gov/maps/

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Redassag94 said:

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My family moved from Germany to Goliad in 1846. Back then German farmers did not use slaves as labor, rather the labor came from the family members. This is how it was for generations. My grandfather quit school in the 6th grade to work full time on the farm as he was the oldest and this is what was expected. No one in our family ever owned slaves, and there is no knowledge of other German families in the area that owned slaves.

Also my family did not get involved in the Civil War. That was not of any interest to them, they had a farm to keep and a family to feed. I am sure this is the case for many others that have family in Texas of German or Czech decent.

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Was some of your family slaughtered being true to der union? If they lived in Texas trust me they were involved in some way. Majority of the Czechs didn't come to Texas until after the Civil War.

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The Germans were in Texas in 1861 and were massacred for their pro-Union stance. There were also hanging and deaths in North Texas. The majority of Germans in Texas and elsewhere (e.g. Missouri) were pro-Union.

Google: Nueces massacre and Great Hanging at Gainesville.

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tmaggies said:

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Redassag94 said:

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My family moved from Germany to Goliad in 1846. Back then German farmers did not use slaves as labor, rather the labor came from the family members. This is how it was for generations. My grandfather quit school in the 6th grade to work full time on the farm as he was the oldest and this is what was expected. No one in our family ever owned slaves, and there is no knowledge of other German families in the area that owned slaves.

Also my family did not get involved in the Civil War. That was not of any interest to them, they had a farm to keep and a family to feed. I am sure this is the case for many others that have family in Texas of German or Czech decent.

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Was some of your family slaughtered being true to der union? If they lived in Texas trust me they were involved in some way. Majority of the Czechs didn't come to Texas until after the Civil War.

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The Germans were in Texas in 1861 and were massacred for their pro-Union stance. There were also hanging and deaths in North Texas. The majority of Germans in Texas and elsewhere (e.g. Missouri) were pro-Union.

Google: Nueces massacre and Great Hanging at Gainesville.

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Yes the Germans were very impacted as well as anyone else that was pro union. The Czech not so much because their immigration didn't really began until after the war.

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tmaggies said:

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Redassag94 said:

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My family moved from Germany to Goliad in 1846. Back then German farmers did not use slaves as labor, rather the labor came from the family members. This is how it was for generations. My grandfather quit school in the 6th grade to work full time on the farm as he was the oldest and this is what was expected. No one in our family ever owned slaves, and there is no knowledge of other German families in the area that owned slaves.

Also my family did not get involved in the Civil War. That was not of any interest to them, they had a farm to keep and a family to feed. I am sure this is the case for many others that have family in Texas of German or Czech decent.

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Was some of your family slaughtered being true to der union? If they lived in Texas trust me they were involved in some way. Majority of the Czechs didn't come to Texas until after the Civil War.

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The Germans were in Texas in 1861 and were massacred for their pro-Union stance. There were also hanging and deaths in North Texas. The majority of Germans in Texas and elsewhere (e.g. Missouri) were pro-Union.

Google: Nueces massacre and Great Hanging at Gainesville.

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I have two German-Texan ancestors who were in the Confederate army, most likely conscripts. I don't know the statistics, but I would be careful about the word "most" being pro-Union. The Nueces Massacre was a very small number of men who were killed. Reality was that many German immigrants weren't pro-Union or pro-Confederacy. They had only been in America a short time and had come here from a Germany in turmoil. They just wanted to stay out of the fight.

My lineage is almost exclusively German-Texan with a significant presence in Comfort, Kerr County, and Gillespie County going back prior to Texas being in the Union. Most of the folks I see at family reunions don't have much use for the "Union".

I just did some in-depth fact checking and discovered 2 key things:

- Not a single white American today every owned a slave
- Not a single black American was ever a slave

Nobody owes anyone dick.

eric76 said:

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Take anything from Snopes with a grain of salt. A large grain of salt.

Snopes grew out of the old alt.folklore.urban newsgroup. The Mikkelson's proclaimed themselves to be the sole determinent of truth and wrote the faq for the group. Snopes grew out of that.

One example of their idiocy was their proclaimed that no small planes were being manufactured in the United States because of legal liabilities. They were blatantly wrong and it took months to get them to admit their stupid mistake.

They also refused to believe the Zsha Zsha Gabor incident on the Tonight Show ("Do you want to pet my *****?" "Sure. Move the damn cat.") and proclaimed that the only way to convince them that it happened was to show a copy of the show. At the time that happened, of course, people didn't have video recorders to and the network wasn't sharing their tapes. There were news articles, but they didn't say explicitly what happened.

Snopes definitely has its biases.

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It's changing the percentage from 1.6 to 1.4….. what the heck are you throwing all this junk out there over such a crazy small change. And percentage….

It shouldn't surprise anybody that less than 2% of the population were wealthy enough to own enough land to make owning slaves an economic necessity. Another truism in Ag is farmland tends to get concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. Farms fail and are bough ; wealthy families inter marry etc

Similar story here. Mostly we came after the war. Moved to central texas. Ran farms and a few small businesses. I don't think any of my grandparents graduated highschool. They all went to work on farms.

My grandma would get pissed off when someone made a reference to their ancestors picking cotton, because she spent many long days doing it as a kid in the hot Texas sun. Family farms couldn't afford a harvester.

And that 1.4% that owned slaves were 100% DEMOCRAT

They never like taking about that fact.

The only true insurrectionists in our country's history were Democrats

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I just did some in-depth fact checking and discovered 2 key things:

- Not a single white American today every owned a slave
- Not a single black American was ever a slave

Nobody owes anyone dick.

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This. By now none of our great great grandparents were involved. Slavery ended in 1865. Let it go.

Mankind, man made a horrible mistake and corrected which is what man has done throughout history. Only the animal cultures still have slavery for work and sex.

Couple years ago some animals were caught in Katy Texas with a slave or two. More recent you can read about animals arrested for having sex slaves and their slavery business.

Sex trafficking is still going on today. Sex trafficking is slavery, so i would say it is still going on today.

Black Americans are lucky their ancestors were slaves in America. Otherwise, they'd be slaves themselves in Africa today.

DrEvazanPhD said:

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Can't be true. I have it in good authority that every white person owned a slave that they personally caught in Africa.

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Personally caught LMFAO