Jock 07 said:
I don't think it's contract brewing as I'm pretty sure they own the Lone Star label. Just glad they finally put the puzzles back on the caps.
I dunno, you still haven't put out any facts to back up your statement. I'll let you know what I think once you come with the some facts I can look at and not just conjecture and your feelings.Double Diamond said:
Do you think the Auto workers were wrong to strike? UPS? Just greedy workers who don't get how good they have it?
Yes.Double Diamond said:
Do you think the Auto workers were wrong to strike? UPS? Just greedy workers who don't get how good they have it?
Technically, if you go on strike, you HAVE quit. The company is under no obligation to bring you back at the end of the strike. Now, they generally DO, but...that's not mandatory.cslifer said:
Why are they wrong to strike? Work is a transaction, the worker trades his labor for $$, striking is simply his leverage to get more $$. What should the worker do instead? Obviously he can quit, but I fail to see what is wrong with negotiating salary/raises/benefits. Unions have definitely made a huge mess of some companies/industries, BUT letting the employer have all the power isn't good either, we have seen how that goes.
That's the thing...we don't know why they are wrong or right to strike most times because unions provide little to no actionable basis for their strikes when asked for public commentary. For example, in the Fort Worth example...cslifer said:
Why are they wrong to strike? Work is a transaction, the worker trades his labor for $$, striking is simply his leverage to get more $$. What should the worker do instead? Obviously he can quit, but I fail to see what is wrong with negotiating salary/raises/benefits. Unions have definitely made a huge mess of some companies/industries, BUT letting the employer have all the power isn't good either, we have seen how that goes.
All they've done is provide a CEO pay data point and said, THAT'S TOO MUCH.Quote:
According to the Teamsters, Molson Coors CEO Gavin Hattersley has earned more than $5.1 million as part of his salary since the local union went on strike on Feb. 17.
"Molson Coors is a total disgrace," Teamsters General President Sean M. O'Brien said in a statement. "This isn't a serious offer from one of America's biggest beer companies. It's an example of the willful disrespect it has for the American workers behind its products. Molson Coors doesn't care about Texas workers or their hard labor or the sacrifices their families have made to make the company rich.... It shouldn't be difficult for Molson Coors to agree to a respectable contract, unless their goal is to deprive workers of fair wages and strip them of good benefits and job protections."
Double Diamond said:Ghost91 said:
They're probably protesting that they're being asked to do work that they agreed to do when they were hired for a rate that was also agreeable.
I mean that's just my guess.
Um no. They are protesting greed. It's always strange to me the people who stand next to massive corporations over humans.
They have, 40+ official meetings.cslifer said:
You are absolutely right! The problem arises when trying to decide if the workers are just being greedy or the company is being cheap. Maybe if a group of representatives from both sides of the equation were to sit down and negotiate they could come to an equitable solution.
Secolobo said:
Whining about cost of living but still going to vote for who the union bosses tell them to.
If they're lucky maybe Biden will come picket with them.
Digging a little more into it...and reading between the lines:cslifer said:
I agree with you that often the unions are greedy, but at the same time we must admit that the companies are too. Also, as the poster below you said, we have basically no information as to why they are really striking. They would probably have much more support if they would actually put out solid reasons and numbers. Getting back to the original comment though, just saying they are wrong to strike without knowing why is in itself wrong. Just the same as saying all unions are bad or all companies are bad is also wrong. There are good and bad on both sides. There are definitely bad actors on both sides.
The Teamsters are trying to force the other contract on Molson Coors...the same way they do their negotiations with the Big 3 auto makers...Quote:
Conversely, Teamsters representatives said 86% of the employees at Molson Coors competitor Anheuser-Busch voted in late February to approve a new five-year national contract that increased pay, improved health care and retirement benefits, and protected all members' jobs.
But...even without that...cslifer said:
I agree with you that often the unions are greedy, but at the same time we must admit that the companies are too. Also, as the poster below you said, we have basically no information as to why they are really striking. They would probably have much more support if they would actually put out solid reasons and numbers. Getting back to the original comment though, just saying they are wrong to strike without knowing why is in itself wrong. Just the same as saying all unions are bad or all companies are bad is also wrong. There are good and bad on both sides. There are definitely bad actors on both sides.
Today's unions have taken a DELIBERATE adversarial position against management and work to convince all the members that the company is out to screw them.cslifer said:
You are absolutely right! The problem arises when trying to decide if the workers are just being greedy or the company is being cheap. Maybe if a group of representatives from both sides of the equation were to sit down and negotiate they could come to an equitable solution.
Two months without regular pay and only strike pay...which is like $200/wk or something like that.Sims said:They have, 40+ official meetings.cslifer said:
You are absolutely right! The problem arises when trying to decide if the workers are just being greedy or the company is being cheap. Maybe if a group of representatives from both sides of the equation were to sit down and negotiate they could come to an equitable solution.
Lisa's dental plane !!!SanAntoneAg said:
Just drove past the Miller brewery. What are the union folks protesting?
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