t.u. Students Who Opted Out Of SAT Whole Letter Grade Worse Than SAT Takers

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Sea Speed
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Looks like what any common sense individuals who predicted that those that didn't do the standardized tests wouldn't be as good of students were correct. Glad these coveted spots are going to the smart kids who definitely put in the extra effort.

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One standard deviation lower.

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Logos Stick
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DEI kills.
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BigRobSA
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Why were the tests optional?
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rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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rocky the dog said:



**** like this is why the chinamen are liking their chops
Tanya 93
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In tutoring writing essays, I encourage kids to do something funny, quirky, or weird.

Everyone is going to have a tragic story. Discussing the best ice cream you had because you go lost and stopped for gas is memorable. Saying how you were an outcast in HS because you hate bacon is funny.

People forget to teach kids how to be themselves. They have to be in a tiny box that meets all people's perceptions of perfection and brilliance.


I would rather read an essay on how they created a hamster world. Or started feeding a raccoon.
APHIS AG
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rocky the dog said:


That "path" may work for DEI universities but then after, the real world starts
CDUB98
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Gee, who could have seen that one coming?
JohnLA762
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CDUB98 said:

Gee, who could have seen that one coming?


Racist bigoted cis-gender white supremacist men, duh!
Buck Turgidson
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Many of the "intellectuals" in academia are ****ing idiots who believe all kinds of fantasies (manmade climate change, fluid gender identities, etc.). It's no surprise that allowing dullards to hide their test scores (the ONLY apples-to-apples comparison point available) would result in unqualified students being admitted. No surprise to anybody EXCEPT the tards sitting on woke admissions boards.
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Smart enough to game the system
CDUB98
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JohnLA762 said:

CDUB98 said:

Gee, who could have seen that one coming?


Racist bigoted cis-gender white supremacist men, duh!


Why, thank you.
Satellite of Love
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rocky the dog said:



And he's still an insufferable leftish ******. A bit of a grifter too.
zephyr88
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Refresh me... why do we care what t.u. does?
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Tanya 93
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C@LAg said:

zephyr88 said:

Refresh me... why do we care what t.u. does?
because in this case, they identified a problem with their admissions and are correcting it for the better by placing more focus back on standardized testing and grades.

while we are accepting every tom, dick and harry that basically has a pulse.


Hey

Benny has a pulse
Psycho Bunny
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zephyr88 said:

Refresh me... why do we care what t.u. does?
Because it starts with one school and filters into the other schools around the state and country.
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Sea Speed
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zephyr88 said:

Refresh me... why do we care what t.u. does?


Refresh me.... why did you click on a thread that clearly states it is about something you clearly have no interest in?
Teslag
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C@LAg said:

at least they have some standards. and are taking some corrective actions.

we are nothing more than a diploma mill, looking for ways to enroll even more.


It's harder to get into A&M than ever before.
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Maroon Dawn
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Leftism is a religion and universities are their Madrassas

They are in search of true believers, not critical thinkers
techno-ag
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SAT strongly correlates with freshman success. Decades of data.

Asians and whites statistically score higher on the SAT. Blacks lowest. Decades of data.

So obviously the SAT is racially biased and an obstacle to diversity. Decades of … well, just trust us. Diversity is important.
Trump will fix it.
Fat Black Swan
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Will be interesting how this plays out with 5-year graduation rates.

The average SD for college GPA is 0.5 which means a 0.86 GPA deviation covers about 1.7 standard deviations. Even a generous allocation of nature vs nurture dynamics means that's a 15 IQ point difference.
ttu_85
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Teslag said:

C@LAg said:

at least they have some standards. and are taking some corrective actions.

we are nothing more than a diploma mill, looking for ways to enroll even more.


It's harder to get into A&M than ever before.
Like most schools these days, it depends on your race and socioeconomic stature. Brains and academics do not matter. For Asian dude and whitey your statement is correct.
Hungry Ojos
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Sea Speed said:

zephyr88 said:

Refresh me... why do we care what t.u. does?


Refresh me.... why did you click on a thread that clearly states it is about something you clearly have no interest in?


Pwned.
LOYAL AG
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C@LAg said:

Teslag said:

C@LAg said:

at least they have some standards. and are taking some corrective actions.

we are nothing more than a diploma mill, looking for ways to enroll even more.


It's harder to get into A&M than ever before.
yes, but what good does that do when enrollment continues to increase while tu is working to cut theirs down and require more stringent guidelines for admission.

correct me if I am wrong, but A&M still does that "top 10% garbage" while tu has cranked theirs to 6 or 7%.

that is a smarter choice than just increasing numbers because we have land to add more buildings.

the quality and value of an A&M degree is not commensurate to the number of people on campus.





Not sure you understand the difference between the two schools. Texas is down to "top 6 or 7 percent" because the campus has nowhere to grow. They are landlocked and not growing their student body.

Meanwhile A&M is the only other tier 1 public school in the state and has plenty of room to grow which means we are going to do so. We aren't accepting everyone, that's factually incorrect. Our standards are high yet we provide multiple opportunities for kids below those standards to prove themselves. As a state university in a rapidly growing state I'd say we do a good job balancing our mandate to educate the citizens of the state with the need to maintain high standards.

Where the problem actually exists is in how the state has structured higher ed. There are two tier 1 and one can't grow. The state needs to invest heavily in 3-4 other schools and elevate those to tier 1 to relieve the pressure on A&M. That's the only way we're going to see our enrollment level out.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
BillYeoman
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Tanya 93 said:

In tutoring writing essays, I encourage kids to do something funny, quirky, or weird.

Everyone is going to have a tragic story. Discussing the best ice cream you had because you go lost and stopped for gas is memorable. Saying how you were an outcast in HS because you hate bacon is funny.

People forget to teach kids how to be themselves. They have to be in a tiny box that meets all people's perceptions of perfection and brilliance.


I would rather read an essay on how they created a hamster world. Or started feeding a raccoon.



Alll of this is represents the current problem in our country. Someone is being paid to read stupid essays to get into Universities. And kids are told/encouraged to write them.

ttu_85
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Maroon Dawn said:

Leftism is a religion and universities are their Madrassas

They are in search of true believers, not critical thinkers
And this will be their down fall. Irrational, illogical, emotion driven types are no match for critical thinking logic.

They operate in the ideal, we operated within the realms of history and rationality.
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LOYAL AG
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C@LAg said:

LOYAL AG said:

C@LAg said:



that is a smarter choice than just increasing numbers because we have land to add more buildings.





i fully understand the issues and I see you did not even bother to read what I wrote, given my quoted comment above makes up half your response, even if I did not delve into the rest of your response, I am fully aware of how higher education works in texas even though I no longer live there./

but good on you for the lecture..


I read your entire response. We are growing because the state needs us to. What part of that is in any way disproven by that you made? We are growing because we have to yet we're still maintaining high standards while we do. Those are facts. What don't you get?
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
Kvetch
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Letting in lower IQ kids without vetting them resulted in worse academic performance? Shocking…
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