Ags4DaWin said:

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Science Denier said:

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Social Security is paid for by workers.
Medicare is paid for by workers.

These payments should actually buy something.

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They did buy something.

The government used SS to buy US Treasury Bills

Which are guaranteed by the government

So when the Treasury Notes mature tax dollars will be used to fund social security.

It's the perfect ponzi scheme. The government forcibly takes ur SS dollars.

Then when that money runs out they forcibly take someone else's tax dollars to pay you the SS you put in 30 years ago.

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The workers bought something. I bought something. There are plenty of government handouts to people that didn't buy something. Cut that first.

To think that Trump has a plan for any complex topic consisting of more than a string of banal generalities is laughable.

SA68AG said:

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To think that Trump has a plan for any complex topic consisting of more than a string of banal generalities is laughable.

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His plan is - "did this person/organization/country give me money and/or say nice things about me? If yes, then I support him/it." Not much more complicated than that.

Sid Farkas said:

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Fwiw, Kernan and his guest analyst interviewing trump agreed, before the interview started, that the only way out of the government debt crisis is to grow tf out of the economy.

Trump will slash regulation and unleash the economy - as opposed to Biden, who just released a $3tn budget plan, based almost entirely on tax increases on evil millionaires and billionaires.

Ill take trump and the Republicans every day of the week.

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Or you could continue with the Biden plan and grow inflation until the debt seems miniscule compared to your monthly grocery bill.

jwhaby said:

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I don't think he will cut entitlements, but I suspect he will suggest a way to eliminate the waste and mismanagement. I bet he pushes for SS to be held in private accounts that citizens can manage themselves like a 401k. This would be welcomed on my end. It would make the individual responsible for their own performance, it would allow for more investment options (not just treasuries ), and most importantly it would keep congress from "borrowing" against it to fund other areas of the government. If this is all that Trump did, it would be a massive win.

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That is the George W. Bush plan from 2004

No way Trump attempts that.

how many times did he discuss entitlements when he had a GOP congress from 2017-2019?

SA68AG said:

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To think that Trump has a plan for any complex topic consisting of more than a string of banal generalities is laughable.

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Here was his 2019 budget proposal, before COVID hit. It was a hit piece by the NY Times because they hate spending cuts.
NY Times

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It also contains what White House officials called a total of $1.9 trillion in cost savings from mandatory safety-net programs, like Medicaid and Medicare,

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It is replete with aggressively optimistic economic assumptions and appeals to his core constituents, and it envisions deep cuts to programs that Democrats hold dear.

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Cut cost, increase revenue due to tax cut to stimulate the economy.

Hmmmmmm. Sounds very liberal to me.

There are no good choices. Given what we have this year, I will vote for the candidate - as usual - who pisses off the white liberals the most. As such, I'm a MAGA voter. At a minimum, he'll try to close the border. Given a second term, I hope he order the Guard to shoot and kill all Antifa/BLM protesters on site should the riots commence.

Science Denier said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Science Denier said:

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Social Security is paid for by workers.
Medicare is paid for by workers.

These payments should actually buy something.

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They did buy something.

The government used SS to buy US Treasury Bills

Which are guaranteed by the government

So when the Treasury Notes mature tax dollars will be used to fund social security.

It's the perfect ponzi scheme. The government forcibly takes ur SS dollars.

Then when that money runs out they forcibly take someone else's tax dollars to pay you the SS you put in 30 years ago.

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The workers bought something. I bought something. There are plenty of government handouts to people that didn't buy something. Cut that first.

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You didn't buy anything.

Your money was taken away from you under the threat of force and you complied believing, perhaps somewhat naively that they would return it to you at the appointed time.

Ags4DaWin said:

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Science Denier said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Science Denier said:

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Social Security is paid for by workers.
Medicare is paid for by workers.

These payments should actually buy something.

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They did buy something.

The government used SS to buy US Treasury Bills

Which are guaranteed by the government

So when the Treasury Notes mature tax dollars will be used to fund social security.

It's the perfect ponzi scheme. The government forcibly takes ur SS dollars.

Then when that money runs out they forcibly take someone else's tax dollars to pay you the SS you put in 30 years ago.

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The workers bought something. I bought something. There are plenty of government handouts to people that didn't buy something. Cut that first.

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You didn't buy anything.

Your money was taken away from you under the threat of force and you complied believing, perhaps somewhat naively that they would return it to you at the appointed time.

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OK, that's buying under duress. Yet the only one's saying oops, it won't be returned are a handful of Republicans that won't touch the other 2/3rds of the budget.

All govt spending, constitutional and not, needs to be gutted, starting with unconstitutional spending. "Entitlements" are unconstitutional. Even constitutional spending, like military spending, needs cutting.

Look. If you're not going to cut/restructure entitlements you'll never make any headway on the deficit. We're not growing our way out of this.

Even in the "best economy ever" in Trump's first term we never broke 3% GDP in any year. To grow your way out of deficit would take something like 6% a year for years at a time. That's not happening.

Trump is a liberal. I'm not sure why this continues to be a surprise to people.

Science Denier said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Science Denier said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Science Denier said:

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Social Security is paid for by workers.
Medicare is paid for by workers.

These payments should actually buy something.

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They did buy something.

The government used SS to buy US Treasury Bills

Which are guaranteed by the government

So when the Treasury Notes mature tax dollars will be used to fund social security.

It's the perfect ponzi scheme. The government forcibly takes ur SS dollars.

Then when that money runs out they forcibly take someone else's tax dollars to pay you the SS you put in 30 years ago.

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The workers bought something. I bought something. There are plenty of government handouts to people that didn't buy something. Cut that first.

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You didn't buy anything.

Your money was taken away from you under the threat of force and you complied believing, perhaps somewhat naively that they would return it to you at the appointed time.

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OK, that's buying under duress. Yet the only one's saying oops, it won't be returned are a handful of Republicans that won't touch the other 2/3rds of the budget.

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The Republicans aren't saying it won't be returned they are saying the money has been spent.

It's not like the dems have been excellent stewards of the money and the Republicans are the ones who pissed it away

Both parties pissed it away because boomers kept demanding more and more money and benefits from the government coffers

And because the MID has the hands in everyone's pockets.

And the Dems need to buy the poor vote.

Everyone has their votes to buy. It just so happens that noone wants to buy yours at the moment because it's easier to buy someone else's.

Science Denier said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Science Denier said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Science Denier said:

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Social Security is paid for by workers.
Medicare is paid for by workers.

These payments should actually buy something.

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They did buy something.

The government used SS to buy US Treasury Bills

Which are guaranteed by the government

So when the Treasury Notes mature tax dollars will be used to fund social security.

It's the perfect ponzi scheme. The government forcibly takes ur SS dollars.

Then when that money runs out they forcibly take someone else's tax dollars to pay you the SS you put in 30 years ago.

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The workers bought something. I bought something. There are plenty of government handouts to people that didn't buy something. Cut that first.

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You didn't buy anything.

Your money was taken away from you under the threat of force and you complied believing, perhaps somewhat naively that they would return it to you at the appointed time.

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OK, that's buying under duress. Yet the only one's saying oops, it won't be returned are a handful of Republicans that won't touch the other 2/3rds of the budget.

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Everyone doesn't want their 1/3 of the budget touched. That's the problem.

Phatbob said:

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Science Denier said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Science Denier said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Science Denier said:

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Social Security is paid for by workers.
Medicare is paid for by workers.

These payments should actually buy something.

---

They did buy something.

The government used SS to buy US Treasury Bills

Which are guaranteed by the government

So when the Treasury Notes mature tax dollars will be used to fund social security.

It's the perfect ponzi scheme. The government forcibly takes ur SS dollars.

Then when that money runs out they forcibly take someone else's tax dollars to pay you the SS you put in 30 years ago.

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The workers bought something. I bought something. There are plenty of government handouts to people that didn't buy something. Cut that first.

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You didn't buy anything.

Your money was taken away from you under the threat of force and you complied believing, perhaps somewhat naively that they would return it to you at the appointed time.

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OK, that's buying under duress. Yet the only one's saying oops, it won't be returned are a handful of Republicans that won't touch the other 2/3rds of the budget.

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Everyone doesn't want their 1/3 of the budget touched. That's the problem.

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1. Millions paid for their 1/3rd if the budget.
2. Millions are paying today for their 1/3rd.

So naturally, folks that actually pai for something, want what they paid for.

But I get government confiscating something from these folks in order to give free handouts for folks that didn't pay **** is their way of dealing with problems. Very liberal, but it is a way to do it.

Uhh, that is what it always has been. No one "bought" anything. If you thought you did, you were mistaken. Continuing to lie to another generation just so you can benefit from it without the consequences is not justifiable. I say that as someone who has paid into SS and Med for 30 years

If elected, Trump needs to fire 2 million federal employees and deport millions if illegals. Those two things along with increasing energy production would help a great deal.

Phatbob said:

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Uhh, that is what it always has been. No one "bought" anything. If you thought you did, you were mistaken. Continuing to lie to another generation just so you can benefit from it without the consequences is not justifiable. I say that as someone who has paid into SS and Med for 30 years

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Typical lib. Here, Mr. Tax Payer. You will pay this tax, but you will get this in return. Opps, we are out of money so lets go ahead and steal what you bought. You see, We need more money to pay for Ukraine.

YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER!!!

Yep. Lying to the tax payer and stealing what they've already paid for. Libs doing libs.

I hate that we all buy into the lie that is "spending cuts". There are no actual cuts but just a reduction in the rate of growth. That's not a cut by any sane definition.

LOL, so knowing from the beginning that the math never added up makes me liberal? That's a new one.

Phatbob said:

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LOL, so knowing from the beginning that the math never added up makes me liberal? That's a new one.

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Has nothing to do with math. Spending too much on stupid **** and stealing from those that actually paid for something is peak liberal.

But, since this thread was about Trump, it could just be a TDS flare up. I can't say I'm 100% sure.

BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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I don't think he will cut entitlements, but I suspect he will suggest a way to eliminate the waste and mismanagement. I bet he pushes for SS to be held in private accounts that citizens can manage themselves like a 401k. This would be welcomed on my end. It would make the individual responsible for their own performance, it would allow for more investment options (not just treasuries ), and most importantly it would keep congress from "borrowing" against it to fund other areas of the government. If this is all that Trump did, it would be a massive win.

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So....





...copy W's plan? The big establishment R?

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You are correct sir.

If Dubya's Social Security plan had been passed, the system would have been well on it's way of becoming healthy for the long term.

He tried it twice, if I recall. His first term, then his second term.

Yet, the plan was shot down by Nancy Pelosi and the congress!