Biz Ag said:
If the 2020 elections were above board and legitimate as they've claimed repeatedly, why are they worried about 2024?
We wouldn't have "standing" getting into the business or how other states run their elections.JW said:
Disenfranchises all voters. Texas should sue.
Trying to understand what your saying?AG N ASIA said:
As a former fraud investigator - one of the first tells of fraud is collusion of the parties where they have coordinated stories, but different set of circumstances. There typically isn't much hard evidence because they know the controls have have worked the process to leverage the weakness of the process. You typically only see statistical anomalies until one of the colluders gets disenfranchised or singled out and reveals the scenario. May not be happening, but there is a lot of smoke and eventually that will spread to a fire and collapse the issue if it is in fact happening.
deddog said:
This will end with bullets.
If not next year, then in the next decade, because the marxists will never stop.
And they will eventually push too far.
Florida or Alaska? Thinking border size.4 said:deddog said:
This will end with bullets.
If not next year, then in the next decade, because the marxists will never stop.
And they will eventually push too far.
We've got 10 years max before the first state secedes.
Why was Richard Barron fired?BluHorseShu said:They were still waiting on the evidence of fraud from True the Vote. I don't think Raffensperger had anything to gain by 'covering up' election fraud. In fact the torrent of hate directed his way by conspiracy theorists would far out weigh any benefit some one might dream up that he received.aggiehawg said:
Nothing to see here, right? And before anyone says that Raffensperger in GA is a Republican, I don't care. He is a dirty actor in covering up election fraud.BREAKING: Fmr SPLC staffer and Secretary of State of Michigan Jocelyn Benson announces she is 'coordinating' with 6 battleground secretaries of state, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Nevada to fight a 'common adversary' pic.twitter.com/5m2vehe03G
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 6, 2024
Funny how every single individual involved in assessing, judging or reviewing this 'mass conspiracy' and has yet to find anything remotely compelling....is always a dirty actor, deep state, etc, regardless of their conservative record. Even people that shouted fraud and were on the conspiracy train have recanted once they we're forced to show evidence. Sydney Powell even said "no reasonable person" should have taken her claims seriously. I know I know, the comeback to that is "well, the were coerced of course to say that".
Its just a broken record that has yet to bare any fruit. Shouting "if we win....most secure election ever", or "if we lose, its obvious the fix was in and mass fraud was coordinated to keep us from winning" just sounds crazy after a while.
The only good thing that has come from the people that have so committed themselves to believing this is that it brought the idea of election security front and center. And there is no degree of evidence or lack there of in which those people will ever admit that were wrong. Its broken them.
Yep anybody associated with this organization is radical left. Sometimes the answers really are obvious. The person is looney left. WHICH begs the question:nortex97 said:
SPLC=communists.
Lets be honest, few knowledgeable or attentive people on the right or left trust the current electorial process. This country is sooooo polarized all hell breaks loose sometime around November 5 to the 15th.MouthBQ98 said:
Yep, as stated above, they used the euphemism of "fortification" of the election last time when they manipulated the circumstances of the election to achieve the desired. Political outcome for existing political and economic institutional powers. They could not risk their investments to populism and actual democracy so they helped it achieve the results the institutions needed.
Very obvious to who? Those who were already convinced of the fraud and were looking for things that proved their theories? Anyone who did believe it investigate him? If that were true and the evidence was obvious to the general public, or even just a large enough group, don't you think he would be investigated either at the state or federal level?aggiehawg said:And how do you know that? It is very obvious that Raffenperger obstructed, thwarted, destroyed evidence, refused a federal court order to testify because he was "too busy", that guy?Quote:
They were still waiting on the evidence of fraud from True the Vote. I don't think Raffensperger had anything to gain by 'covering up' election fraud. In fact the torrent of hate directed his way by conspiracy theorists would far out weigh any benefit some one might dream up that he received.
Anyone checked his offshore bank accounts and crypto currency wallets lately?
Voter fraud happens. Or are you saying that a coordinated conspiracy on a national scale to cheat the election is what 50% of Americans believe? If that's the case, I'd like to see the article/poll stating that. In every state, there are voters who with intent or not fraudulently vote....And guess what, its on both sides. Ther is a huge difference between saying there were fraudulent votes and saying it was coordinated effort to elect Biden.BusterAg said:Why was Richard Barron fired?BluHorseShu said:They were still waiting on the evidence of fraud from True the Vote. I don't think Raffensperger had anything to gain by 'covering up' election fraud. In fact the torrent of hate directed his way by conspiracy theorists would far out weigh any benefit some one might dream up that he received.aggiehawg said:
Nothing to see here, right? And before anyone says that Raffensperger in GA is a Republican, I don't care. He is a dirty actor in covering up election fraud.BREAKING: Fmr SPLC staffer and Secretary of State of Michigan Jocelyn Benson announces she is 'coordinating' with 6 battleground secretaries of state, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Nevada to fight a 'common adversary' pic.twitter.com/5m2vehe03G
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 6, 2024
Funny how every single individual involved in assessing, judging or reviewing this 'mass conspiracy' and has yet to find anything remotely compelling....is always a dirty actor, deep state, etc, regardless of their conservative record. Even people that shouted fraud and were on the conspiracy train have recanted once they we're forced to show evidence. Sydney Powell even said "no reasonable person" should have taken her claims seriously. I know I know, the comeback to that is "well, the were coerced of course to say that".
Its just a broken record that has yet to bare any fruit. Shouting "if we win....most secure election ever", or "if we lose, its obvious the fix was in and mass fraud was coordinated to keep us from winning" just sounds crazy after a while.
The only good thing that has come from the people that have so committed themselves to believing this is that it brought the idea of election security front and center. And there is no degree of evidence or lack there of in which those people will ever admit that were wrong. Its broken them.
How did someone else vote for Ogg?
How about a peer-reviewed article in Public Choice that shows plenty of smoke around voter fraud?
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3756988
How about the fact that over 50% of Americans believe that voter fraud was widespread in 2020?
It's incredulous, smug, and a clear sign of a victim of either gaslighting or confirmation bias to think that there are not credible, reliable reasons to believe that there was significant voter fraud in 2020.
Multiple times, in fact. He was fired then another board or committee said he could not be fired, so he was unfired, then fired again by yet another board and unfired again.Quote:
Why was Richard Barron fired?
Good Morning !
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) March 6, 2024
Georgia 2020: Court testimony below (from the REAL Fani Willis RICO case) and this sworn affidavit indicate NO SIGNATURE VERIFICATION was done for 148,000 mail-in ballots. https://t.co/0jMPiwouSm
Joe Biden didn't 'win' Georgia in Nov 2020 https://t.co/vN2qCUsgP9 pic.twitter.com/bTFqtrzkqh
Georgia:
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) March 2, 2024
We have an electronic verification system, but we didn’t use it.
We have records of voter signatures, but we didn’t use them.
We could check our records for you, but it would take forever.
Aside from that, judge, is there anything else you’d like? https://t.co/s7tgfeXYNU
Then why does Raffensperger lie so much? Why did hs bestie Gabe Sterling quit the Sec of State's office in 2019 then get hired back as an independent contractor (at much more money) for the 2020 election, then return back to the Sec of State's office a year or so later? To go yo one better, what does Sterling say about the records he has during the 2020 election when he was everywhere and heavily involved? Private company not subject to open records requests, sod off, no one can see them.MouthBQ98 said:
I don't think it was paid corruption so much as a turf war and battle of egos. Raff was the responsible party for election integrity and a lot of people vocally criticized his work and efforts, which he took rather personally. I'm sure he believed his efforts were sufficient and acceptable to his own political supporters so he is naturally defensive. It doesn't need to be corruption when it could be incompetency, complacency, or egomania that is more the cause of any problem. But, it is still a problem if a system is easily exploited or manipulated without adequate protections even if the intent was otherwise.
He's corrupt as hell.MouthBQ98 said:
So is he corrupt or incompetent or some of both? Sort of hard to deconstruct without more information. The problem is the short term is the end result is the same: no better security has been implemented.
SCOTUS had a chance when Texas sued because several states changed their voting laws contrary to the Constitution, but they punted on a standing cop out. How could a state NOT have standing before SCOTUS in a case on federal election law?Build It said:
Only the Supreme Court can save the Union. Don't know when but it sure seems headed for destruction.
LOL. You are a little slow on the uptake here, sport.Quote:
If its that obvious, I would think it would be one of the primary talking points repeated this year. I would also think if it were that obvious to Republicans in the state, he would not have been re-elected.
Hungry Ojos said:
This is exactly why I started the thread about unwarranted enthusiasm. They are going to do the EXACT same thing they did last election and there is nothing we can do about it. Not even worth standing in line to vote.
deddog said:
This will end with bullets.
If not next year, then in the next decade, because the marxists will never stop.
And they will eventually push too far.
Hungry Ojos said:
This is exactly why I started the thread about unwarranted enthusiasm. They are going to do the EXACT same thing they did last election and there is nothing we can do about it. Not even worth standing in line to vote.
4 said:deddog said:
This will end with bullets.
If not next year, then in the next decade, because the marxists will never stop.
And they will eventually push too far.
We've got 10 years max before the first state secedes.
