Not legit.

Didn't mention the real important adverse event. Hunger and increased appetite.

I had a pretty bad stroke a couple years back

Still tho, weed.

Very addictive drug, should only be used per medical prescription.

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All the kids I worked years ago who didn't want to do anything other than sit around getting high

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They hiring?

Next time you visit a Hawaii Jack in the Box go ask.

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However, the team noted that this increased risk was consistent with other known heart disease and stroke risks, such as alcohol, body mass index (BMI), Type 2 diabetes, and lack of physical activity.

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But really, this statement is kinda key.

Just like any other thing that is bad for you, it increases your risk of dying.

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Who would have thought taking a drug that makes sitting around doing nothing but eating Doritos as fun could lead to bad side effects?

Well hell. This has finally got me on board.

Legalize pot.

Everywhere.

What about gummies?

Smoking anything is terrible for you.

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Bad news for marijuana users. Looks like it's unhealthy for them, even if they bake it in brownies.

Who would have thought it?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13135909/cannabis-heart-attack-stroke-risk-marijuana.html

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Using marijuana in ANY form is linked to a 42% increased risk of a stroke - and 25% higher chance of a heart attack, study warns

• A study found that cannabis use could raise the risk of heart attack and stroke
• Users had a 25% higher chance of heart attack and 42% greater stroke risk

By EMILY JOSHU HEALTH REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 09:46 EST, 28 February 2024 | UPDATED: 09:51 EST, 28 February 2024

.....The researchers found that smoking, eating, or vaping cannabis was associated with a 'significant' increase in heart disease and stroke risk, and the more days someone smoked, the more likely they were to have adverse effects.

However, the team noted that this increased risk was consistent with other known heart disease and stroke risks, such as alcohol, body mass index (BMI), Type 2 diabetes, and lack of physical activity.

They also found that daily cannabis users were 25 percent more likely to develop heart disease and 42 percent more likely to suffer a stroke.

And younger adults - men under 55 and women under 65 - who were already at risk for cardiovascular disease had a combined 36 percent increase chance of heart disease, coronary artery disease, and stroke.

'Our study shows that smoking cannabis has significant cardiovascular risk risks, just like smoking tobacco,' Dr Jeffers said. .....

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38415581/

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Association of Cannabis Use With Cardiovascular Outcomes Among US Adults
Abra M Jeffers 1 2 3 4, Stanton Glantz 5, Amy L Byers 6 7 8, Salomeh Keyhani 1 9 10
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PMID: 38415581 DOI: 10.1161/JAHA.123.030178
Abstract
Background: We examined the association between cannabis use and cardiovascular outcomes among the general population, among never-tobacco smokers, and among younger individuals.

Methods and results: This is a population-based, cross-sectional study of 2016 to 2020 data from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance Survey from 27 American states and 2 territories. We assessed the association of cannabis use (number of days of cannabis use in the past 30 days) with self-reported cardiovascular outcomes (coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, stroke, and a composite measure of all 3) in multivariable regression models, adjusting for tobacco use and other characteristics in adults 18 to 74 years old. We repeated this analysis among nontobacco smokers, and among men <55 years old and women <65 years old who are at risk of premature cardiovascular disease. Among the 434 104 respondents, the prevalence of daily and nondaily cannabis use was 4% and 7.1%, respectively. The adjusted odds ratio (aOR) for the association of daily cannabis use and coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, stroke, and the composite outcome (coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, and stroke) was 1.16 (95% CI, 0.98-1.38), 1.25 (95% CI, 1.07-1.46), 1.42 (95% CI, 1.20-1.68), and 1.28 (95% CI, 1.13-1.44), respectively, with proportionally lower log odds for days of use between 0 and 30 days per month. Among never-tobacco smokers, daily cannabis use was also associated with myocardial infarction (aOR, 1.49 [95% CI, 1.03-2.15]), stroke (aOR, 2.16 [95% CI, 1.43-3.25]), and the composite of coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, and stroke (aOR, 1.77 [95% CI, 1.31-2.40]). Relationships between cannabis use and cardiovascular outcomes were similar for men <55 years old and women <65 years old.

Conclusions: Cannabis use is associated with adverse cardiovascular outcomes, with heavier use (more days per month) associated with higher odds of adverse outcomes.

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I can believe the smoking part, that makes complete sense. But the edibles part....I don't believe it unless their data points are eating some Betty Crock's that have super high THC all the time. Low THC in moderation is not going to do anything remotely to the body that's close to the damage by alcohol, high fat foods, etc. Not even close. Sounds like those in the study had preexisting conditions. I've never smoked pot or tobacco and I ended up with a heart problem due to genetics.

I am trying to make sense of this...particularly the edibles part. How could the THC itself contribute to stroke/heart disease? Or is it the lifestyle that accompanies many lazy stoners...lack of physical activity, gorging unhealthy foods etc?

If someone is extremely healthy, and doesn't engage in this activity, I'd like to know how the THC itself puts them at risk.

Then, I would also like to see similar comparison to risks associated with things like regular caffeine use, nicotine, adderall/ritalin etc.

It's simple. It doesn't have to equate to that for this to be a huge win. Now the study can commence of edibles eating salads vs smoking eating McDonald's. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what results you know you are going to get.

Now, who wants to sign up to be high for a year but only eat salads? That'll be one healthy stoner!

My point is, even at its worst, it's still the same taxation on the body as drinking heavy and eating badly. So it's obvious what direction it will take when eating edibles instead.

100% more likely to become like Jeff Spicoli.

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Not legit.

Didn't mention the real important adverse event. Hunger and increased appetite.

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Which likely leads to excessive eating and sitting around watching old reruns of "Friends" and "Cheech and Chong"

Happiest mfers I've ever met were like Jeff Spicoli.

Taken decades to realize they were right all along.

the problem isnt the weed, its the habit.

too much of anything aint good for you

" Bad news for marijuana users. Looks like it's unhealthy for them, even if they bake it in brownies.

Who would have thought it?"

So what? Are you surprised it has some risks?

Now do aspirin, Tylenol, erythritol, alcohol, salt, red meat, cigars, 60 hour work weeks……….and a host of other things. All commonly used or done by millions of people every day/week.

Every one of those things has some benefits. Whether it be pleasure, pain relief, or reducing sugar from your diet. Every one of those things is also bad for you. Look at the association between one of the most commonly used sweeteners, erythritol, and strokes and heart attacks.

We're adults who should know the risks of what we do/use, balance them with the benefits, and make an informed decision. It's that simple……and no…….the government doesn't need to help us make a decision.

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Researchers are still working to unravel exactly why this occurs, though it's thought that THC activates the body's fight-or-flight response, which typically occurs during stress or fear.

When fight-or-flight is triggered, it leads to higher heart rate and blood pressure. Over time, this causes the heart to need to work harder to pump blood to the rest of the body.

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This is their theory from the link in the OP, just FYI. I would think this would mostly be an issue for those in poorer shape who don't eat right and exercise regularly. Oh, and those who smoke like all day.

I'm all for studying the impacts of THC on the body. Both short and long term, but this particular study doesn't pass the smell test to me. Way to many variables in the sample, supply, method, and approach (basically the entire study).

For the record, my 67 year old FIL was prescribed THC as a treatment for shingles. Lives in an ultra conservative community in Texas and the doctor went straight to THC as the answer for his pain and inflammation. The dr went as far to say if he could go back to when he started practicing medicine he could have saved so many lives treating with THC verses opiates. I was blown away by both his comments and by who they were coming from. I didn't expect that at all. Ultra conservative farming community.

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Willie is to dope heads what George Burns was to cigar smokers. Simply an exception to the rule.

I'm sure he saw the scourge of prescription pain pills then. Must have been awful to witness.

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Willie is to dope heads what George Burns was to cigar smokers. Simply an exception to the rule.

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Where does Keith Richards fit into that, or is he just from another planet at this point?

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Bad news for marijuana users. Looks like it's unhealthy for them, even if they bake it in brownies.

Who would have thought it?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13135909/cannabis-heart-attack-stroke-risk-marijuana.html

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Using marijuana in ANY form is linked to a 42% increased risk of a stroke - and 25% higher chance of a heart attack, study warns

• A study found that cannabis use could raise the risk of heart attack and stroke
• Users had a 25% higher chance of heart attack and 42% greater stroke risk

By EMILY JOSHU HEALTH REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 09:46 EST, 28 February 2024 | UPDATED: 09:51 EST, 28 February 2024

.....The researchers found that smoking, eating, or vaping cannabis was associated with a 'significant' increase in heart disease and stroke risk, and the more days someone smoked, the more likely they were to have adverse effects.

However, the team noted that this increased risk was consistent with other known heart disease and stroke risks, such as alcohol, body mass index (BMI), Type 2 diabetes, and lack of physical activity.

They also found that daily cannabis users were 25 percent more likely to develop heart disease and 42 percent more likely to suffer a stroke.

And younger adults - men under 55 and women under 65 - who were already at risk for cardiovascular disease had a combined 36 percent increase chance of heart disease, coronary artery disease, and stroke.

'Our study shows that smoking cannabis has significant cardiovascular risk risks, just like smoking tobacco,' Dr Jeffers said. .....

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38415581/

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Association of Cannabis Use With Cardiovascular Outcomes Among US Adults
Abra M Jeffers 1 2 3 4, Stanton Glantz 5, Amy L Byers 6 7 8, Salomeh Keyhani 1 9 10
Affiliations expand
PMID: 38415581 DOI: 10.1161/JAHA.123.030178
Abstract
Background: We examined the association between cannabis use and cardiovascular outcomes among the general population, among never-tobacco smokers, and among younger individuals.

Methods and results: This is a population-based, cross-sectional study of 2016 to 2020 data from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance Survey from 27 American states and 2 territories. We assessed the association of cannabis use (number of days of cannabis use in the past 30 days) with self-reported cardiovascular outcomes (coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, stroke, and a composite measure of all 3) in multivariable regression models, adjusting for tobacco use and other characteristics in adults 18 to 74 years old. We repeated this analysis among nontobacco smokers, and among men <55 years old and women <65 years old who are at risk of premature cardiovascular disease. Among the 434 104 respondents, the prevalence of daily and nondaily cannabis use was 4% and 7.1%, respectively. The adjusted odds ratio (aOR) for the association of daily cannabis use and coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, stroke, and the composite outcome (coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, and stroke) was 1.16 (95% CI, 0.98-1.38), 1.25 (95% CI, 1.07-1.46), 1.42 (95% CI, 1.20-1.68), and 1.28 (95% CI, 1.13-1.44), respectively, with proportionally lower log odds for days of use between 0 and 30 days per month. Among never-tobacco smokers, daily cannabis use was also associated with myocardial infarction (aOR, 1.49 [95% CI, 1.03-2.15]), stroke (aOR, 2.16 [95% CI, 1.43-3.25]), and the composite of coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, and stroke (aOR, 1.77 [95% CI, 1.31-2.40]). Relationships between cannabis use and cardiovascular outcomes were similar for men <55 years old and women <65 years old.

Conclusions: Cannabis use is associated with adverse cardiovascular outcomes, with heavier use (more days per month) associated with higher odds of adverse outcomes.

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There's lies, damned lies, and medical science.

When's the clinical study to prove the stats?

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WolfCall said:

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Bad news for marijuana users. Looks like it's unhealthy for them, even if they bake it in brownies.

Who would have thought it?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13135909/cannabis-heart-attack-stroke-risk-marijuana.html

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Using marijuana in ANY form is linked to a 42% increased risk of a stroke - and 25% higher chance of a heart attack, study warns

• A study found that cannabis use could raise the risk of heart attack and stroke
• Users had a 25% higher chance of heart attack and 42% greater stroke risk

By EMILY JOSHU HEALTH REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 09:46 EST, 28 February 2024 | UPDATED: 09:51 EST, 28 February 2024

.....The researchers found that smoking, eating, or vaping cannabis was associated with a 'significant' increase in heart disease and stroke risk, and the more days someone smoked, the more likely they were to have adverse effects.

However, the team noted that this increased risk was consistent with other known heart disease and stroke risks, such as alcohol, body mass index (BMI), Type 2 diabetes, and lack of physical activity.

They also found that daily cannabis users were 25 percent more likely to develop heart disease and 42 percent more likely to suffer a stroke.

And younger adults - men under 55 and women under 65 - who were already at risk for cardiovascular disease had a combined 36 percent increase chance of heart disease, coronary artery disease, and stroke.

'Our study shows that smoking cannabis has significant cardiovascular risk risks, just like smoking tobacco,' Dr Jeffers said. .....

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38415581/

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Association of Cannabis Use With Cardiovascular Outcomes Among US Adults
Abra M Jeffers 1 2 3 4, Stanton Glantz 5, Amy L Byers 6 7 8, Salomeh Keyhani 1 9 10
Affiliations expand
PMID: 38415581 DOI: 10.1161/JAHA.123.030178
Abstract
Background: We examined the association between cannabis use and cardiovascular outcomes among the general population, among never-tobacco smokers, and among younger individuals.

Methods and results: This is a population-based, cross-sectional study of 2016 to 2020 data from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance Survey from 27 American states and 2 territories. We assessed the association of cannabis use (number of days of cannabis use in the past 30 days) with self-reported cardiovascular outcomes (coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, stroke, and a composite measure of all 3) in multivariable regression models, adjusting for tobacco use and other characteristics in adults 18 to 74 years old. We repeated this analysis among nontobacco smokers, and among men <55 years old and women <65 years old who are at risk of premature cardiovascular disease. Among the 434 104 respondents, the prevalence of daily and nondaily cannabis use was 4% and 7.1%, respectively. The adjusted odds ratio (aOR) for the association of daily cannabis use and coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, stroke, and the composite outcome (coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, and stroke) was 1.16 (95% CI, 0.98-1.38), 1.25 (95% CI, 1.07-1.46), 1.42 (95% CI, 1.20-1.68), and 1.28 (95% CI, 1.13-1.44), respectively, with proportionally lower log odds for days of use between 0 and 30 days per month. Among never-tobacco smokers, daily cannabis use was also associated with myocardial infarction (aOR, 1.49 [95% CI, 1.03-2.15]), stroke (aOR, 2.16 [95% CI, 1.43-3.25]), and the composite of coronary heart disease, myocardial infarction, and stroke (aOR, 1.77 [95% CI, 1.31-2.40]). Relationships between cannabis use and cardiovascular outcomes were similar for men <55 years old and women <65 years old.

Conclusions: Cannabis use is associated with adverse cardiovascular outcomes, with heavier use (more days per month) associated with higher odds of adverse outcomes.

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I can believe the smoking part, that makes complete sense. But the edibles part....I don't believe it unless their data points are eating some Betty Crock's that have super high THC all the time. Low THC in moderation is not going to do anything remotely to the body that's close to the damage by alcohol, high fat foods, etc. Not even close. Sounds like those in the study had preexisting conditions. I've never smoked pot or tobacco and I ended up with a heart problem due to genetics.

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You guys don't understand. They didn't do any new research they gathered existing research on different studies that had data on marijuana users, and extracted their analysis off the existing data. I don't think this is a really useful form of science, unless you're trying to sell a narrative, surprisingly narrative fishing pays well and there's lots of research that will create whatever narrative needs to fit the bill.

Next thing you know these buffoons will claim that people are suddenly dying and it's because there was a whiff of marijuana in the air from an illegal immigrant and therefore we need to ban mj, and all the immigrants...

The fools would jump on that like stink on ***** It's how they got it banned the first time too. Blamed weed for blacks and ********* rapin all the white wimmens.

History doesn't repeat but rhymes.

Ban everything that's unhealthy /s