Misery loves company…

I'm genuinely curious as to why they believe more government is a good thing.

The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

They are either deficient in some way and foolishly believe the government will somehow alleviate their condition OR they are highly successful and feel guilty about the condition of others who are not as successful but not enough to use their own resources to "correct" the "social ills". (What I've described are the "progressive drones". The Soros types and "progressive" politicians have a completely different agenda.)

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

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I agree that that is what the role of government should be. It should be local. That was the intention of the Founders. One size fits all simply doesn't work in a nation with such a degree of diversity, be it population, culture, topography, climate, whatever.

Slicer97 said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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You ever seen in the movies where a guy is walking alone at night through a bad part of town and some shady dudes are all like, hey come over here for a minute, we just want to talk to you

And then he goes over there and they knock him down and all start kicking him in the ribs

This is that, in thread form.

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That's a dodge. I'd like to know where the belief stems from.

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ok fine, that's a bad faith question because it presumes that conservatives want less government.

They don't. They want more as well, but in different places.

As compared to what? Unless you're an anarchist you believe that there is a proper role for the government to fill, we just disagree with where the boundaries lie.

But yeah, I support state control in a lot of cases especially where the social good would conflict with a desire to increase profits under private ownership. Good example is private prisons. It's profitable for them to have as many people as possible incarcerated. Recidivism, from their perspective, is a good thing. That's a repeat customer. With these conflicting priorities I see state control as preferable.

I'll take a stab, although I'm not a progressive.

We see problems in the world. Crime, poverty, etc...

We look at the mechanisms that might be good at solving those problems.

Of all the mechanisms we see, like the free market, religious conversion, or government, we think that government is the most appropriate.

Slicer97 said:

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barbacoa taco said:

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"Hey progressives, I have an honest question"

Immediately asks obviously argumentative and rhetorical question

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Another dodge.

Why do you favor bigger federal government? It's a simple, straightforward question.

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It's a loaded question and I reject the premise of it. Just pointing out how your OP was obviously done in bad faith and was meant to start an echo chamber of "liberals bad amirite"

I contend that conservatives want just as big of a government as liberals do. They just want it to restrict people other than themselves.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

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Who referees the government to make sure they "play fairly"?

I have far more greivences against government - whether local, state, or federal - than I do with all private entities combined.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

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Goodness, this is frightening, and supremely ignorant.

Slicer97 said:

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I'm genuinely curious as to why they anyone believes more government is a good thing.

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FIFY

Slicer97 said:

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I'm genuinely curious as to why they believe more government is a good thing.

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The lack of personal accountability and self control. If government is there to make your choices for you, then whatever happens to you can't be your fault. Look at 90% of truly bsc progressives, I mean seriously look at them, they are missing something in life: loving/happy childhood, rewarding career, solid friendships that last a lifetime, cohesive family unit, spiritual faith, meaningful relationships, etc. and they want someone to blame and someone to set boundaries so they can blame those for their failures. The other 10% thinks people are too stupid to think for themselves and they realize it gives them control and/or street cred in their peer groups.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

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Define "play fairly". Is this another dig for equal equity? Because equal equity in no way shape or form leads to playing fairly.

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Look at 90% of truly bsc progressives, I mean seriously look at them, they are missing something in life: loving/happy childhood, rewarding career, solid friendships that last a lifetime, cohesive family unit, spiritual faith, meaningful relationships, etc. and they want someone to blame and someone to set boundaries so they can blame those for their failures. The other 10% thinks people are too stupid to think for themselves and they realize it gives them control and/or street cred in their peer groups.

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This is gold.

barbacoa taco said:

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It's a loaded question and I reject the premise of it. Just pointing out how your OP was obviously done in bad faith and was meant to start an echo chamber of "liberals bad amirite"

No. We do that all day long here. I'm asking why y'all favor bigger federal government.

I contend that conservatives want just as big of a government as liberals do. They just want it to restrict people other than themselves.

Conservatives, no. Republicans, yes. There's a difference. Similar to the way in which progressives and liberals (classical liberals, that is) are not the same thing.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

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Goodness, this is frightening, and supremely ignorant.

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We should not limit policy purely based on the principle of states rights. If the federal government is capable of enacting laws the improve society better than any individual state can on their own, I will choose the federal government for this every single time.

Slicer97 said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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Slicer97 said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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You ever seen in the movies where a guy is walking alone at night through a bad part of town and some shady dudes are all like, hey come over here for a minute, we just want to talk to you

And then he goes over there and they knock him down and all start kicking him in the ribs

This is that, in thread form.

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That's a dodge. I'd like to know where the belief stems from.

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ok fine, that's a bad faith question because it presumes that conservatives want less government.

They don't. They want more as well, but in different places.

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Don't mistake conservatives for Republicans. It's why I posed the question to progressives rather than Democrats.

I'm not interested in views based upon party loyalty but rather personal political philosophy. Both parties suck and I don't think either one does a very good job of representing the views of their constituents. This is largely the reason I favor less government, particularly at the federal level.

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I don't want more government, I want the government we have to work for everyone.

The US spends a higher portion of its GDP on health care than most of the developed world, but if we used that 12% on making sure that everyone isn't a broken leg away from being homeless, that's evil socialism.

I think we're at a stage, as a civilization, where no one should be going hungry or lacking medical care. Regardless of merit, and even what "merit" means is a much deeper conversation.

I honestly think that people who do not believe in any form of higher power/creator are much more likely to adopt man made governmental bodies or institutions as their replacement-God.

Look at how libs behaved during Covid for an example. The blind trust almost all of them put in the government, even China's government lol, was highly disturbing. Who did they lash out at exclusively? Normal every day Christian conservatives who weren't living their lives in crippling fear. People who weren't obeying the government like it was God.

Old Army Metal said:

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Slicer97 said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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Slicer97 said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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You ever seen in the movies where a guy is walking alone at night through a bad part of town and some shady dudes are all like, hey come over here for a minute, we just want to talk to you

And then he goes over there and they knock him down and all start kicking him in the ribs

This is that, in thread form.

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That's a dodge. I'd like to know where the belief stems from.

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ok fine, that's a bad faith question because it presumes that conservatives want less government.

They don't. They want more as well, but in different places.

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Don't mistake conservatives for Republicans. It's why I posed the question to progressives rather than Democrats.

I'm not interested in views based upon party loyalty but rather personal political philosophy. Both parties suck and I don't think either one does a very good job of representing the views of their constituents. This is largely the reason I favor less government, particularly at the federal level.

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I don't want more government, I want the government we have to work for everyone.

The US spends a higher portion of its GDP on health care than most of the developed world, but if we used that 12% on making sure that everyone isn't a broken leg away from being homeless, that's evil socialism.

I think we're at a stage, as a civilization, where no one should be going hungry or lacking medical care. Regardless of merit, and even what "merit" means is a much deeper conversation.

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We have an endless supply of morbidly obese useless people who will never contribute to anything other than raising healthcare costs for all of us who take care of ourselves. Bang up job there.

The only people that look hungry that I see are rich soccer moms. It is staggering how many super poor people are extremely obese. Ain't no one going hungry I can assure you that. I don't care what fake stats you could ever present from any given leftist rag.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

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Goodness, this is frightening, and supremely ignorant.

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We should not limit policy purely based on the principle of states rights. If the federal government is capable of enacting laws the improve society better than any individual state can on their own, I will choose the federal government for this every single time.

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So we should just toss the Constitution then?

DarkBrandon01 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

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Goodness, this is frightening, and supremely ignorant.

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We should not limit policy purely based on the principle of states rights. If the federal government is capable of enacting laws the improve society better than any individual state can on their own, I will choose the federal government for this every single time.

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They are incapable. So that answers that.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

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You have to be wildly ignorant of human nature, history, and business to think this is feasible.

Old Army Metal said:

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The US spends a higher portion of its GDP on health care than most of the developed world, but if we used that 12% on making sure that everyone isn't a broken leg away from being homeless, that's evil socialism.

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So how do you think we got to the point where a broken leg can cost someone 5 to 6 figures?

IslanderAg04 said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

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Define "play fairly". Is this another dig for equal equity? Because equal equity in no way shape or form leads to playing fairly.

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Fair play means getting rid of exploitation (at home and overseas) and ensuring everyone has equal opportunities through education and local utilities.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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The government should act as a referee to make sure everyone plays fairly. Whether it's local government or federal government doesn't matter to me.

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Define "play fairly". Is this another dig for equal equity? Because equal equity in no way shape or form leads to playing fairly.

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Fair play means getting rid of exploitation (at home and overseas) and ensuring everyone has equal opportunities through education and local utilities.

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So stop discriminating against whites and Asians in college admissions etc etc right?