Corps Changes: Response to the Commandant Retraction

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NOTICE: This was forwarded to me since I made the original post and the author is unknown. I was told a group of former CTs...

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Link to PDF: https://file.io/y3z9rjYhiwkG
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Commandant's letter sounds like typical modern corporate doublespeak. No one can admit a mistake, and this underhanded reorganization of the Corps was certainly going to be a mistake.

Not impressed with this situation at all.
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Additionally I was told cadets are hesitant to respond to the 3 questions as it is not even anonymous and are fearful for their leadership positions, contract, future positions, etc.


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That turd needs to GO! What a lying POS…
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Hopefully ConcernedAggies are better than Concerned Moderates...
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tldr summary?
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Curious - how do the other senior military academies handle it?
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I responded.

It's really so simple. Focus the effort around supporting the cadets to learn how to lead and grow the organization themselves as much as possible. Provide the standards, the guardrails, and keep it safe. Be a servant leader.

Embrace the differences in the outfits and listen to the cadets and the people who have left or are not joining, especially those who would have been exceptional (strong academics, physical fitness, leadership experience in High School, etc.) Listen to the former students who can talk about what has worked and what hasn't.

If you want a strong and flourishing Corps it has to come from the ground up not the top down and it comes through embracing what is special about Texas A&M, modeling after the most successful outfits, and focusing on helping the less successful outfits to grow and succeed through developing leadership.

Instead this concept of trying to make dozens of outfits across 4 different major units all uniform while actively undermining the most successful ones is lunacy. Make it challenging, fun, and empowering and you can have 4000 kids in the Corps if you want.
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Sounds like this Commandant isn't going to recover from this. Need to get a Marine in the position.
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Agree. Especially keeping the Corps challenging.
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Shagga said:

Curious - how do the other senior military academies handle it?
I posted on the other thread how the Rat Mass gets integrated at VMI.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3445138/replies/67006825#67006825

And if you really want to get motivated, you can watch matriculation on YouTube.
Edit: I updated the link to jump ahead 30 minutes to when they welcome the Cadets to come down on the floor and join the Rat Mass.
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jagvocate said:

Commandant's letter sounds like typical modern corporate doublespeak. No one can admit a mistake, and this underhanded reorganization of the Corps was certainly going to be a mistake.

Not impressed with this situation at all.


The scuttlebutt is, there is a lot of arrogance and narcissism involved with this comment. But you didn't hear it from me.
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Intentional and immersive

*me in the background making wanking motion with my hand

Whoever said this sounded like corpospeak is right on the money. I was in the Corps under Gen Hopgood and then Gen Van Alstyne. They didn't speak like HR Business Partners, they spoke like leaders.

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Commandant should apply for a job at bud light


He would slay it over there
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precisely
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The "ever changing world" sure reminds me of "fundamentally transform". Or "social engineering". I realize things must be different than they were decades ago, but no one person should have the power to determine what changes are made....especially such sweeping, destructive changes.

This old man will stop yelling at the clouds now.
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aggiez03 said:






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Was the survey anonymous? Why would they even consider asking current cadets to respond to a survey that could identify them? Circus.
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There was a Bryan AFB. Never heard of Rellis AFB. ?
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n1mr0d said:

aggiez03 said:









Was the survey anonymous? Why would they even consider asking current cadets to respond to a survey that could identify them? Circus.
I am not sure if this is correct or not. If you go to: https://tx.ag/corpsfeedback it says that your email and google account are NOT collected. It does make you enter though based on what I can tell (I did not try to submit anything to check)
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Bryanisbest said:

There was a Bryan AFB. Never heard of Rellis AFB. ?
It was Bryan Field where Rellis currently sits I believe.
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Surely there exists a non-political retired General officer (preferably a Marine) Aggie that will pick up the slack and get this train back on the tracks?
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Quote:

Over 400 cadets signed a petition to resign and not return.

Strange new world. Different military. Different Corps.
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Glad something happened... almost reminds me of the Mark Stoops fiasco
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gabehcoud said:

tldr summary?


An out of touch commandant attempted to destroy the student led aspect of the corps, reorganize the whole thing, and continue to gut traditions.

His response was tone deaf corporate drivel, in which he refused to act like an adult and admit the idea is stupid.


It looks like( from a non reg perspective) the cadet leadership of the corps has been slowly stripped of more an more authority, and given less and less purpose. My understanding was that the corps was to be student led with oversight from advisors...

I get the focus on grades improving and retention, but it can't come at the cost of the actual purpose of the organization....
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Ag_of_08 said:

gabehcoud said:

tldr summary?


An out of touch commandant attempted to destroy the student led aspect of the corps, reorganize the whole thing, and continue to gut traditions.

His response was tone deaf corporate drivel, in which he refused to act like an adult and admit the idea is stupid.


It looks like( from a non reg perspective) the cadet leadership of the corps has been slowly stripped of more an more authority, and given less and less purpose. My understanding was that the corps was to be student led with oversight from advisors...

I get the focus on grades improving and retention, but it can't come at the cost of the actual purpose of the organization....


Precisely. My time in the Corps was foundational to my success now because we were allowed to make decisions, within the regulations and standards of the Corps, without reprisal. We were allowed to make mistakes and learn from them. This new organization structure strips autonomy which in turn strips the ability to make mistakes and learn.
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I matriculated 57 years ago, which was only 22 years after the end of WWII, and at the height of Viet Nam, where (too) many Aggies ended up (dead). We never saw bulls on the Quad, except for Mother's Day weekend! In retrospect, the fact that such a student-lead organization was allowed to exist and operate almost autonomously was remarkable, and virtually problem free! Not sure when/how we lost our way, but the amount of "supervision" (read micromanaging) is both stifling and counterproductive, if not fatal.

We'll never return to the autonomy of "my era", but a few steps in that direction are long overdue and called for I feel certain. Let's return to our roots! Less is more!
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*Speaking as a non-reg.


This is such bull***** The Commandant needs to go. He's trying to fix what isn't broken. Is the Corp perfect? No, but it will never be. That's an impossible standard. But, there is absolutely no need to gut it and reform it into "the same as everyone else."
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One of the strengths of the US military is the ability for lower level soldiers to lead themselves. Giving future officers practice for 4 years (when lives are not on the line) is a damn good way to do that. But just like liberals in the rest of the world have been turning us into a collectivist nanny state, looks like libs in the modern military leadership are doing the same there. Nothing good will come out of it.
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Sounds like he wants to sneak DEI at any cost to have equal outcomes instead of equal opportunities.
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aggiez03 said:

Additionally I was told cadets are hesitant to respond to the 3 questions as it is not even anonymous and are fearful for their leadership positions, contract, future positions, etc.





Where is this?
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If half of that response is true, then the Commandant needs to go tomorrow. He's violated the very essence of what he promised the leaders that originally selected him - restoring the Corps to being a cadet-run organization.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

aggiez03 said:

Additionally I was told cadets are hesitant to respond to the 3 questions as it is not even anonymous and are fearful for their leadership positions, contract, future positions, etc.





Where is this?
see above, I put the link...

Here is a shortcut to it: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3446362/replies/67037890
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BoerneGator said:

I matriculated 57 years ago, which was only 22 years after the end of WWII, and at the height of Viet Nam, where (too) many Aggies ended up (dead). We never saw bulls on the Quad, except for Mother's Day weekend! In retrospect, the fact that such a student-lead organization was allowed to exist and operate almost autonomously was remarkable, and virtually problem free! Not sure when/how we lost our way, but the amount of "supervision" (read micromanaging) is both stifling and counterproductive, if not fatal.

We'll never return to the autonomy of "my era", but a few steps in that direction are long overdue and called for I feel certain. Let's return to our roots! Less is more!
When I went to school, and the Commandant and I were in the same Class but different outfits and branches in the Corps, we very rarely saw Bulls on the Quad coming by the outfit. Maybe a couple times a Semester and it was more of a check in so long as there wasn't a glaring issue. I was also on Group Staff Junior Year and had very little interaction with Bulls in that capacity. They let the students run the show so long as there weren't big problems or something that we needed help with.

Not sure why Pat decided he wants everything to be completely different than what he experienced but certainly this would be if he was in E-1 which was I believe the largest Army outfit at the time with tremendous recruiting and outfit identity as the "Jocks" and an all male outfit.

I heard that they were starting to have more of the Bull involvement under Hopgood as Darling was pretty hands off.

Integration did begin while I was in school but my understanding was Koldus was pushing a lot of that. Koldus was always super friendly but he seemed to dislike the special status the Corps had as an organization and numbers were tanking hard in the '90s (part of that was the end of the Cold War and budget cuts). The University saw some big donor warning signs as they realized that the percentage of alumni that were in the Corps gave back at a rate about 10x the rest of the student body (I know this from multiple connections). So they realized they were going to have a big University but the money was really coming from an aging group of old Ags that gave almost like a tithe to the school like when my Dad was there in the '50s. So they built the Corps Center, they did a huge push for Sul Ross and other Corps scholarships, they did more funding for uniforms, and essentially put a ton of money into the Corps and started publicizing it more as they realized that without it the fundraising was going to spiral.

Now the school is much bigger with far more alumni and the old Ags from the 50s and before who were here in the All Corps days have sadly mostly passed away or are doing so at a rapid rate. Now the main big donor base is from the late '60s to early 90s. Always follow the money, it drives the boat in the end.
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If it shows there and is required to fill in the form, it is absolutely captured. To achieve some degree of true anonymity, I would recommend them using Qualtrics...while it does capture IP and geo-location it is certainly less identifying. It may be turned off, but I'd want proof of capture was not enabled if I cared to be anon.

"If the creator of the Google Form has enabled the option to collect email addresses, your email will be automatically recorded when you submit your response. Forms requiring Google account sign-in before responding can also link your response to your Google account's email."
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