Srry. I wasn't agreeing with the rise in teacher pay. I was agreeing with the rest of the post. I added some.l to clarify.

Private schools can and will and can pay good teachers more than bad ones and fire the really bad ones. That is why the voucher system is important.

Get kids who want to excel and whose parents are involved out of failing schools that only hire babysitters.

Give teachers who have a passion and the ability to teach out of schools with onerous and pointless administration and who only want to brainwash kids a second option where they can be paid more and APPRECIATED for the job they do.

The reason why admins are overwhelmingly against this is because they lose the monopoly on the teachers, the curriculum, and the customers (the kids).

Almost all the kickass awesome teachers I know prefer their tutoring schedule and would prefer to be in an environment with less bs administration.

If those proposing vouchers could pitch them to the teachers on this level and the teachers had the BALLS to break with teacher association admins vouchers would be an easy pass.

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The biggest problem with teacher pay is the ISDs can't or won't pay good teachers more. All teachers make about the same. If you aren't willing to pay for performance, there is little incentive to perform at a high level. Schools make our teachers average, and in return, our teachers make our kids average.

Teachers salaries is a simple supply and demand model. There has been a shortage of teachers post Covid and teachers salaries have risen a lot in the past couple of years.

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So much this, but Lordy what a moving target. It's hard to compare apples to apples when Teacher A has a class in the 'hood where 70% or more of the kids have 1 parent and Teacher B is in Whitebread Heights. It's also complicated when you have 2 teachers in the same grade, same school, same subject but one has 3 AP classes and the other has 1 plus a class of "rocks"*. I sure wish they would come up with something.

*Teacher Wife '82 came up with that one. In Uvalde, it was always last period where the kids who didn't do band or sports landed.

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The biggest problem with teacher pay is the ISDs can't or won't pay good teachers more. All teachers make about the same. If you aren't willing to pay for performance, there is little incentive to perform at a high level. Schools make our teachers average, and in return, our teachers make our kids average.

Teachers salaries is a simple supply and demand model. There has been a shortage of teachers post Covid and teachers salaries have risen a lot in the past couple of years.

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Very true.

EVERY teacher in an ISD with X number of years teachings makes $Y/year. I think a masters gets them an extra $1500/yr.

Doesn't matter whether it's the best teacher or the worst.

And as some of us have posted, the pay range is minuscule - $50K-$62K for an entire career in my example.

There needs to be change in HOW we pay teachers - incentivization of some sort. Actual raises for performance. Promotions. You know, that kind of **** that happens in the non-teacher world.

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I do not have an issue with giving teachers more pay. I have an issue with giving schools more money because all that happens is more administrative jobs are creating. For a lot of teachers, once they get on the classroom they realize they don't actually like teaching and start vying for an admin job. You would be seriously surprised at some of the schools the amount of admin jobs to actually teaching jobs. It's crazy.

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ding ding ding.

The "more money for education" never ends up turning into more money for TEACHERS. They just bloat the admin more.

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But, it's not like they're getting them for free. You pay 8.25% of your salary into TRS for that pension. This is mandatory. And it's not like it's super lucrative. It's Years * (Avg highest 5 salary) * 0.023.

I'm staff at TAMU.

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For perspective, I contribute 16% into my 401K and max my IRA which is about 1.75% of my income. Then I save about 10% on top of that and retirement is still not guaranteed

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Voluntary != Mandatory

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Did you catch the part where he said teachers are generally in the bottom 1/3 of IQ? I wouldn't put much stock in his opinion on this subject.

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Not sure about IQ rank, but if they had better options…they'd pursue them. Basic economics.

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It's not always about the money...

Some people value other things...

Hell, my dad was a the head of the math/computer department in the early 80s and took a job in the district's central office basically being the district IT guy. Got a really good raise.

After about 3 years, he moved back to teaching because that's what he enjoyed doing more.

My last 2 job moves I've taken a pay cut when I moved. But, the job in the first case was really great and in the second, it was the location that prompted me.

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Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. For the most part, people that go into teaching do t have a ton of higher paying options. Most are women with plans to get married and quit working.
But if they don't go into it for money….quit *****ing about the money. They knew the pay wasn't great when they went in. When they ***** about it afterwards, it kind of casts doubt on the idea that most were future tech entrepreneurs that just really had a heart for kids.

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Absolute bull*****

BTW, most teachers DON'T ***** about the pay. They ***** about support from parents, support from the admin, support from the COMMUNITY...things that could actually make their job better and easier,

But, I guess you have zero clue how things work outside your bubble.

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I have several in my family and know several more.

But ok.

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Maybe you should pay attention to them instead of dismissing them outright as you obviously do.

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teachers work 190 days a year or less and only 180 instructional days, the rest is staff development days. Keep that in mind when you are comparing annual salaries to people who work 260-270 days a year. Only Joe Biden gets more vacation days than teachers.

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Not this #$&@ again………. Firefighters and off shore oil workers (including the cook) only work half time! ;-) As I pointed out earlier, having been married to one math and one science teacher, I can guarantee they put in the standard 2080 hour work year most private 8-5 M-F do - they just put it in up front.

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Yeah...my parents and my GF did this too.

What's funny is all these people on here saying now EASY it is to be a teacher and that ANYONE can do it...

I'm an engineer with 35 years experience and I don't know that I could do their job. It's a DIFFERENT kind of stress...One where nowadays, the teachers have little power and the kids and parents have lots.

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That pic sums up the root of a lot of the ISD problems. Admins allowing the parents to behave like that is probably the next biggest problem.

Those kinds of parents should be told to **** off. That is also why I could never be a teacher, I would get fired quick.

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This is what amuses me about a lot of folks who say it's an easy job that anyone could do. But, if you gave them this situation, they'd say they'd NEVER put up with that ****, no one will talk to them like that.

But...as you said, that would get them fired. So, maybe it's NOT so easy to do that job. Because you HAVE to put up with that *****

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Troglodyte said:

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The biggest problem with teacher pay is the ISDs can't or won't pay good teachers more. All teachers make about the same. If you aren't willing to pay for performance, there is little incentive to perform at a high level. Schools make our teachers average, and in return, our teachers make our kids average.

Teachers salaries is a simple supply and demand model. There has been a shortage of teachers post Covid and teachers salaries have risen a lot in the past couple of years.

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This.

Pay good teachers more.

Private schools can and will do this. That is why the voucher system is important.

Get kids who want to excel and whose psrents are involved out of failing schools that only hire babysitters.

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Where has teacher pay been improved significantly post COVID?

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Our ISD in DFW starting salary bumped 6.5% from 22/23 to 23/24.

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No one who takes a government job has any right to gripe about their compensation. Every moron knows there is a trade off with private industry. One option has less take-home pay but benefits and and security offset the lease pay. The other option may have more take home but generally has greater demands and has no guarantee of continuity.

Make your choice and be quite.

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You are spot on. You will never get rich in government work, but the benefits are hard to beat. It's a matter of what's most important to you.

My issue with performance-based pay is how do we measure that? It isn't like a factory where outputs are of higher quality because we can choose the inputs. More standardized testing? I cannot be confident my onlevel kids would pass an end of year cumulative exam, they don't even remember on Tuesday what I taught them on Friday. Personally, not every kid should be taking chemistry but I have no control over that. We did push (and won) for the onlevel kids to take IPC first, but it didn't work. They're still struggling with counting the atoms of each element in a compound. So they got that in middle school, got it in IPC, but I still have to spend a day or two on it - they still struggle with it, but I have a curriculum to follow & have to move on.

Some states some districts nationwide really do have crappy pay, and some states require masters degrees & pay $50k. Lots of teachers complain about pay, and in their boat, I agree with them.

An experienced teacher is more valuable than a freshman teacher. That will always be true. There is so much more to teaching than basic content. Knowing the content is important, but *how to teach it effectively* comes with experience. I always laugh when I see "I'm an engineer, I could teach" because it's not the same thing. At all. Put your money where your mouth is & come sub for awhile. You wouldn't even need to develop lessons, just help them with the assignments I've left for them. I'll even let you practice on my classes of well-behaved kids so you don't have to worry about that aspect of it either.

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I do not have an issue with giving teachers more pay. I have an issue with giving schools more money because all that happens is more administrative jobs are creating. For a lot of teachers, once they get on the classroom they realize they don't actually like teaching and start vying for an admin job. You would be seriously surprised at some of the schools the amount of admin jobs to actually teaching jobs. It's crazy.

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ding ding ding.

The "more money for education" never ends up turning into more money for TEACHERS. They just bloat the admin more.

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We have a $12 Million bond for a new football press box (built in the 80s), new scoreboard (you can guarantee ti won't be basic), new restrooms, artificial baseball turf, and new fencing for baseball, softball, and football. It comes with a tax increase, and was turned down a couple of years back.

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teachers deserve more pay purely on the basis of babysitting everyone's ****ty children 7 hours a day, let alone teaching them to read, write, and do math

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Admin should be gutted to increase their pay.

Teacher salaries are kept low for control of their voting bloc. They are submitted to heavy campaign/informational (propaganda) every 2 years when the next bond election is coming up.

IF teachers were comfortable with their position and content with the compensation levels, why would they need to vote to take more taxes?

So much what she says, and not enough hours to type out responses to all. One point she made that hit home - why are kids in that class or that grade level not able to do the basic math? Thank an administrator. Another time and a whole different thread.

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My issue with performance-based pay is how do we measure that? It isn't like a factory where outputs are of higher quality because we can choose the inputs. More standardized testing? I cannot be confident my onlevel kids would pass an end of year cumulative exam, they don't even remember on Tuesday what I taught them on Friday. Personally, not every kid should be taking chemistry but I have no control over that. We did push (and won) for the onlevel kids to take IPC first, but it didn't work. They're still struggling with counting the atoms of each element in a compound. So they got that in middle school, got it in IPC, but I still have to spend a day or two on it - they still struggle with it, but I have a curriculum to follow & have to move on.

Some states some districts nationwide really do have crappy pay, and some states require masters degrees & pay $50k. Lots of teachers complain about pay, and in their boat, I agree with them.

An experienced teacher is more valuable than a freshman teacher. That will always be true. There is so much more to teaching than basic content. Knowing the content is important, but *how to teach it effectively* comes with experience. I always laugh when I see "I'm an engineer, I could teach" because it's not the same thing. At all. Put your money where your mouth is & come sub for awhile. You wouldn't even need to develop lessons, just help them with the assignments I've left for them. I'll even let you practice on my classes of well-behaved kids so you don't have to worry about that aspect of it either.

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If you look above, I said the exact opposite. I'm an engineer and I doubt I COULD do that job.

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So much what she says, and not enough hours to type out responses to all. One point she made that hit home - why are kids in that class or that grade level not able to do the basic math? Thank an administrator. Another time and a whole different thread.

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It's the System. They're passed on from 2nd to 3rd or 3rd to 4th without having mastered the skills of that grade. Because $.

Sorry, wasn't directed at you. Just a general "you".

And for the record, thank God for elementary teachers. I subbed for first grade once. Never again. It's like herding cats. Slippery, yowling, massive cats.

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teachers work 190 days a year or less and only 180 instructional days, the rest is staff development days. Keep that in mind when you are comparing annual salaries to people who work 260-270 days a year. Only Joe Biden gets more vacation days than teachers.

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Not this #$&@ again………. Firefighters and off shore oil workers (including the cook) only work half time! ;-) As I pointed out earlier, having been married to one math and one science teacher, I can guarantee they put in the standard 2080 hour work year most private 8-5 M-F do - they just put it in up front.

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Firefighters and offshore Oil workers live at either the firehouse or the rig 24/7 while on the job. They rotate out because of that.

So save the work half the time BS for the uninformed.

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I do not have an issue with giving teachers more pay. I have an issue with giving schools more money because all that happens is more administrative jobs are creating. For a lot of teachers, once they get on the classroom they realize they don't actually like teaching and start vying for an admin job. You would be seriously surprised at some of the schools the amount of admin jobs to actually teaching jobs. It's crazy.

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ding ding ding.

The "more money for education" never ends up turning into more money for TEACHERS. They just bloat the admin more.

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We have a $12 Million bond for a new football press box (built in the 80s), new scoreboard (you can guarantee ti won't be basic), new restrooms, artificial baseball turf, and new fencing for baseball, softball, and football. It comes with a tax increase, and was turned down a couple of years back.

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Oh yeah...and I forgot all the money for sports, especially football. It was interesting looking at the coaching stipends they pay. Most sports are listed, swim, track, tennis, etc. Head football coach? Nope...not telling you THAT dollar amount in the pay schedule.

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My issue with quoting teacher salaries is no one ever figures the present value of their TRS pensions, which are extremely lucrative when looking forward.

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This is so overlooked. I have several friends from HS that have "retired" from teaching in the last few years after 25-30 years as a teacher. They are in their early 50s and have a nice pension to pay them and provide medical coverage for them for the rest of their life now. People in the private sector don't get that luxury unless they start a business or get really lucky with their investments.

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A teacher in my GF's district with a doctorate and 25-30 years experience would retire with a pension of $43056/yr. Most districts will be somewhere close to that number.

Not BAD, but not exactly rich, either.

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The point is when you add the value of that benefit, which is WAY more than they put in, it adds to what they're paid, which private sector workers are not paid.

As for your other posts, we've all heard them ***** about their pay. My grandmother and uncle were/are both teachers, as were both in laws. Just because there aren't a bunch on this thread doesn't mean it's not the reality.

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And for the record, thank God for elementary teachers. I subbed for first grade once. Never again. It's like herding cats. Slippery, yowling, massive cats.

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My GF used to teach elementary PE before she got into HS SPED.

She described first grade just like that.

But, she said kindergarten was like herding earthworms. They didn't even have brains yet.

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My issue with quoting teacher salaries is no one ever figures the present value of their TRS pensions, which are extremely lucrative when looking forward.

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This is so overlooked. I have several friends from HS that have "retired" from teaching in the last few years after 25-30 years as a teacher. They are in their early 50s and have a nice pension to pay them and provide medical coverage for them for the rest of their life now. People in the private sector don't get that luxury unless they start a business or get really lucky with their investments.

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A teacher in my GF's district with a doctorate and 25-30 years experience would retire with a pension of $43056/yr. Most districts will be somewhere close to that number.

Not BAD, but not exactly rich, either.

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The point is when you add the value of that benefit, which is WAY more than they put in, it adds to what they're paid, which private sector workers are not paid.

As for your other posts, we've all heard them ***** about their pay. My grandmother and uncle were/are both teachers, as were both in laws. Just because there aren't a bunch on this thread doesn't mean it's not the reality.

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It's not a BAD benefit. But, it's like SS, except they pay more. Of course many large companies used to offer pensions too.

I have one coming from my last company - a large helicopter manufacturer. And I didn't even have to pay into that one. I have one from the company before that - a large military aircraft manufacturer - again, didn't pay into that one, either.

BTW, if you really got down and talked to them, you'd find out pay is not really near the top of their list. Now, BECAUSE of all the other bull****, I'm sure they'd like to get paid more.

BUT, if you asked them whether they'd want more support from a much less bloated admin or a pay raise, most would pick the former, since that would be a much bigger impact on their daily lives...they'd pick all sorts of things to change before pay.

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teachers deserve more pay purely on the basis of babysitting everyone's ****ty children 7 hours a day, let alone teaching them to read, write, and do math

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People "deserve" what they can get, period. Something (in this case teaching services) is worth exactly what people are willing to pay for it, and nothing more.

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teachers work 190 days a year or less and only 180 instructional days, the rest is staff development days. Keep that in mind when you are comparing annual salaries to people who work 260-270 days a year. Only Joe Biden gets more vacation days than teachers.

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Not this #$&@ again………. Firefighters and off shore oil workers (including the cook) only work half time! ;-) As I pointed out earlier, having been married to one math and one science teacher, I can guarantee they put in the standard 2080 hour work year most private 8-5 M-F do - they just put it in up front.

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Firefighters and offshore Oil workers live at either the firehouse or the rig 24/7 while on the job. They rotate out because of that.

So save the work half the time BS for the uninformed.

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Im pretty sure I directed it at just such a poster, and even used a smiley face. The point is, those "workdays" =/= work hours.

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https://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/5810438/11-facts-about-americas-teachers-and-schools

Here's an old article that covers the basics. With inflation, I'm sure the pay statistics are off since public/union pay schedules are slow to respond, but the main points are exactly what I laid out. And Matthew Yglesias isn't exactly a rock-ribbed conservative.

Congrats to those of y'all that are married to the good teachers. I never said there weren't good teachers. The fact remains that the simple mantra of "pay teachers more" doesn't solve a damn thing and the current structure of public education lacks the flexibility to create a competitive market for teachers. Hence why it generally attracts people of the same caliber as every other government job.

Hell, half of you said the teachers you know quit because it wasn't worth the hassle. That's exactly the point. High-quality teachers don't stick around because it's not worth it. Until y'all can look at the issue without getting your panties in a wad, you'll never be able to come up with legitimate solutions.

But hey, since y'all are all much smarter than me, maybe you should go be teachers. Problem solved if you put your money where your mouth is.

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Youre contradicting yourself.First you say paying teachers more wouldn't fix anything. Then you say the best teachers leave because it's not worth the hassle.

Gee… I wonder what could make it worth the hassle?

How could anyone justify higher teacher pay in a world where kids have less basic knowledge than they have since the country began?

(Haven't read the whole thread and shame if this point hasn't already been made).

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How could anyone justify higher teacher pay in a world where kids have less basic knowledge than they have since the country began?

(Haven't read the whole thread and shame if this point hasn't already been made).

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Id love to see your evidence because this doesn't even pass the sniff test.

Every teacher pushing CRT BS and Hiding Gender ID pronouns whatever from parents that is being paid more than one dollar is being paid too much.

Maybe it's the media coverage slanting my view, but it sure seems there's a lot more pushing this nonsense than there are these so called good teachers that are underpaid. Whether it's district policy or whatever, if you are going along with it to justify a paycheck then you are overpaid IMHO. Seems the small town rural districts are not pushing as much of this crap, but it's those highly paid Union Teachers that are all in the corruption of our kids. Even in Texas where Teachers Unions are not allowed you have this nonsense in all the major cities in Texas.

Teaching is the only job I've ever heard of that you can have an improper relationship with a juvenile, be asked to resign and go to another ISD and get hired. Unless the parents charge the teacher with a crime they are allowed to go elsewhere and do it again. Districts would rather keep it hush hush and send them on their way to go elsewhere, than to hold them accountable and pull their certificate for life so at least they'd have to relocate to another state to get recertified. Sad that their no national database for teachers who offend like this, but there's not.

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shack009 said:

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How could anyone justify higher teacher pay in a world where kids have less basic knowledge than they have since the country began?

(Haven't read the whole thread and shame if this point hasn't already been made).

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Id love to see your evidence because this doesn't even pass the sniff test.

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Give them a basic civics test and you'll find out

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How could anyone justify higher teacher pay in a world where kids have less basic knowledge than they have since the country began?

(Haven't read the whole thread and shame if this point hasn't already been made).

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Id love to see your evidence because this doesn't even pass the sniff test.

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Have you seen any man on the street interview in the past decade? College kids don't know why we celebrate July 4th. Can't guess which century the civil war was in. Don't know who we fought in any war ever other than Hitler.

Have you read soldier correspondence from the uneducated front line men in the civil war or even the revolutionary war? To compare the diction and prose of those kids to today's college kids is to compare apples and pumpkins.

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How could anyone justify higher teacher pay in a world where kids have less basic knowledge than they have since the country began?

(Haven't read the whole thread and shame if this point hasn't already been made).

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Id love to see your evidence because this doesn't even pass the sniff test.

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Give them a basic civics test and you'll find out

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Give a "high school" kid a calculus test in 1900 and see how he does compared to kids taking that course now. Wait…….they did t take calculus in high school back then! I'm sure Miss Beadle did a fine job teaching chemistry in Walnut Grove.

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Every teacher pushing CRT BS and Hiding Gender ID pronouns whatever from parents that is being paid more than one dollar is being paid too much.

Maybe it's the media coverage slanting my view, but it sure seems there's a lot more pushing this nonsense than there are these so called good teachers that are underpaid. Whether it's district policy or whatever, if you are going along with it to justify a paycheck then you are overpaid IMHO. Seems the small town rural districts are not pushing as much of this crap, but it's those highly paid Union Teachers that are all in the corruption of our kids. Even in Texas where Teachers Unions are not allowed you have this nonsense in all the major cities in Texas.

Teaching is the only job I've ever heard of that you can have an improper relationship with a juvenile, be asked to resign and go to another ISD and get hired. Unless the parents charge the teacher with a crime they are allowed to go elsewhere and do it again. Districts would rather keep it hush hush and send them on their way to go elsewhere, than to hold them accountable and pull their certificate for life so at least they'd have to relocate to another state to get recertified. Sad that their no national database for teachers who offend like this, but there's not.

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Don't think that any of us are supporting any of this CRT bull*****

But, I'll disagree with the bolded. It ain't the only one. Ask the Catholic church how they handled priests that had an improper relationship...they moved them to a different parish...they wanted to keep it hush hush and not hold them accountable...

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How could anyone justify higher teacher pay in a world where kids have less basic knowledge than they have since the country began?

(Haven't read the whole thread and shame if this point hasn't already been made).

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Id love to see your evidence because this doesn't even pass the sniff test.

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Have you seen any man on the street interview in the past decade? College kids don't know why we celebrate July 4th. Can't guess which century the civil war was in. Don't know who we fought in any war ever other than Hitler.

Have you read soldier correspondence from the uneducated front line men in the civil war or even the revolutionary war? To compare the diction and prose of those kids to today's college kids is to compare apples and pumpkins.

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You know they wouldn't put that person on tv if they actually got the question right… right?

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How could anyone justify higher teacher pay in a world where kids have less basic knowledge than they have since the country began?

(Haven't read the whole thread and shame if this point hasn't already been made).

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Id love to see your evidence because this doesn't even pass the sniff test.

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Have you seen any man on the street interview in the past decade? College kids don't know why we celebrate July 4th. Can't guess which century the civil war was in. Don't know who we fought in any war ever other than Hitler.

Have you read soldier correspondence from the uneducated front line men in the civil war or even the revolutionary war? To compare the diction and prose of those kids to today's college kids is to compare apples and pumpkins.

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You know they wouldn't put that person on tv if they actually got the question right… right?

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Brilliant insight. You know there are dozens of hours of this footage on college campuses alone, let alone the "less educated" genpop? It's not like these happenings are rare.

If you think today's average high schooler would score the same or higher on a 1905 civics test than the average 1905 kid, I just don't know what to say to you. And same goes for basically every decade of this country.

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https://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/5810438/11-facts-about-americas-teachers-and-schools

Here's an old article that covers the basics. With inflation, I'm sure the pay statistics are off since public/union pay schedules are slow to respond, but the main points are exactly what I laid out. And Matthew Yglesias isn't exactly a rock-ribbed conservative.

Congrats to those of y'all that are married to the good teachers. I never said there weren't good teachers. The fact remains that the simple mantra of "pay teachers more" doesn't solve a damn thing and the current structure of public education lacks the flexibility to create a competitive market for teachers. Hence why it generally attracts people of the same caliber as every other government job.

Hell, half of you said the teachers you know quit because it wasn't worth the hassle. That's exactly the point. High-quality teachers don't stick around because it's not worth it. Until y'all can look at the issue without getting your panties in a wad, you'll never be able to come up with legitimate solutions.

But hey, since y'all are all much smarter than me, maybe you should go be teachers. Problem solved if you put your money where your mouth is.

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Youre contradicting yourself.First you say paying teachers more wouldn't fix anything. Then you say the best teachers leave because it's not worth the hassle.

Gee… I wonder what could make it worth the hassle?

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I'm not contradicting myself. Paying teachers more doesn't solve anything unless you completely restructure the system and fire the majority of teachers. Otherwise, you're just paying more for the same results.

Also, I would imagine that 99.9% of people would not be ok with the tax rate required to make teaching competitive with the private sector jobs that attract the majority of high performers.

So no, the mantra "pay teachers more" does not fix a damn thing.