I really don't care what you do. It's embarrassing. Good luck.
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bobbranco said:
I really don't care what you do. It's embarrassing. Good luck.
Highway 6 runs both ways.
I was on campus this past weekend. Quite the place.
Everyone of us has stories like this, that help define us as a person and as Aggies! They don't do hell week anymore, but I can tell you what they do today is very hard and earning your Corps Brass is still an incredible accomplishment. The Commandant wants to take that experience away and make Corps Brass meaningless. What a dumb idea.Tom Kazansky 2012 said:aggie93 said:We kidnapped our CO. It was great bull. He came back and put us on a List and we had a brutal week of PT and stress and so much BS we had to endure. I remember seeing our CO come out in the hallway wearing a fish uniform that we left him and it was impeccable as he crapped us out. Both sides learned a lot that week as he took over all discipline and we gained respect for each other. Our buddies got closer and bonded together as we supported each other through a lot of stuff that would definitely be hazing. Just hours of PT.bobbranco said:You are absolutely incorrect.aggiez03 said:So you actually think the Corps upper classman are teaching the fish and sophomores to remove their clothes put on a condom and rub up and down on their buddies to make them uncomfortable?bobbranco said:
The 'hazing' in that Chronicle article was amongst Sophomores? Right? Leaders, right? How many times has this occurred in the past?
How these idiots made it to year 2 is beyond me. This hazing, that I would classify as a sexual assault, is probably learned behavior. Some of those guys should be jailed and put on a sex offender registry. Totally inexcusable and upperclassmen heads should roll, not necessarily dismissal for the upperclassmen but demotion, in addition to dismissing the participating sophomores.
I would say it has probably happened a total of 1 time, like the time this happened.
Don't you think if this was something that was taught by upper classmen, that it would have come out more than 1 time?
This is not something that is taught in the Corps. Are you okay mentally?
Once again, when I called this out a pushing an agenda, I was obviously correct.
When did the tradition of kidnapping CO's stop? How did fish learn about that complete waste of time? It's definitely learned behavior. Same as my children's high school shenanigans.
I have no agenda other than seeing the CoC improve and glad that A&M CoC exists. The CoC needs to do better. Maybe the bulls should be given a larger role of supervision and training of the outfits to avoid continuing embarrassing hazing.
At the end of the week he took us all on a long run and went until only one of us was left and able to keep up with him. We showed each other we could take what the other could give and we cheered on our last buddy to the end. Then he took us over to Sully and spoke to us about how he respected how we hung together and dropped handles with us. We were blown away.
Yeah, total "waste of time" and "high school shenanigans". I'll never forget that week as being one of the most difficult and also most rewarding of my life. I learned a hell of a lot about myself and truly bonded with my buddies while hoping I could be half the leader that our CO was someday.
Thanks for this. Similar experience without the kidnapping happened for me many times my freshman year.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I love it....
bobbranco said:
I was on campus this past weekend. Quite the place.
When did you attend A&M? Were you in the Corps?
The Band is very different than the rest of the Corps in terms of loyalty to your company. The Band is in the Band first and foremost and the loyalty is to that. Sorry but you just don't understand the issue.Houston Lee said:
Look. Just have the fish go in the new way. Then when they eventually get to their individual units, make them earn something specific to the unit. They can get their Corps Brass, or in my case, their Band Lyre. But then make them earn something else for the unit.
Crap them out and put them through hell. It just may be delayed a bit while they do the generic corps stuff for the first semester.
I was in B-Company "Street Fighters". Make it so they cant earn their official Street Fighter shirt until they complete the "initiation process"...
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
A lot of those are medical reasons or academic. The point is though that very, very few people go to an Academy with the intention of dropping out or not joining the service for a year or two of free college before transferring. I mean it could happen but that's not why you go there.CanyonAg77 said:And about a third of them still drop out. The difference being, that at A&M, you can stay in the Corps, even if you change your mind on service.Quote:
at the Academies, 99% of kids going there start with the intention of joining the service.
People join the Corps for many different reasons. If you took 10 random fish you would probably have 2 on ROTC Scholarship, 4 or 5 thinking about joining the military with varying levels of enthusiasm, and at least 3 or so with no intention of joining the military but wanting the Corps experience for a broad variety of reasons. Oh, and you also go to a school every day where only a very small percentage of students are in the Corps and one of the biggest tests of will is knowing that any day you can just punch out and be another guy that slept in until a few minutes before their 10am class after chilling out at their relatively palatial dorm room pretty much able to do whatever they want. Oh, and they have hair.
As an aside I think the hair stuff is dumb. Shave their heads when they first start and maybe through the first Semester but after that they should have Butt Cuts with a clean and professional look. Outside of boots and belts it's also dumb to have fish wearing dorkier looking uniforms. I also hate the Corps Block at football games too though which we didn't have when I was in school. There is no reason to go out of the way to make Corps guys look weirder and separate them from the rest of the student body even more. There is nothing red ass about looking like a dork.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
I think you have a very gray line between "Hazing" and "It's hard". Most people quit because it's hard not because someone physically or mentally abused them beyond the pale. I mean you could say someone making you do 10 pushups or yelling at you is "hazing".bobbranco said:No reason to worry. I have plenty of family that attended A&M and have long experience with friends and family in the military. Leadership is an important topic for me and I see how hazing can disrupt good organizations. I see what has been posted and knowing somewhat how the CoC operates and when kids quit I am able to decipher that the first semester is where kids quit. And why? Hazing. Bad grades. etc. Best of luck. I hope it works out for you.JodyMcD96 said:bobbranco said:
Fair enough.
Don't be surprised by the criticism.
What I'm surprised by is the lack of an answer on your membership in the organization and your focus on hazing when it's not a listed driver of this change plan.
Or, maybe I'm unsurprised.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
To your point re: being a non-reg, I went to summer school after my sophomore year in the Corps, lived off campus, and went to class in non-regs. What a mind-blowing thing that was after two years in the Corps. Not that it was bad, quite the contrary. It was nice to look like a normal student, but I couldn't imagine my entire college experience being that. It made me appreciate what we had in the dorm regarding camaraderie.
To another person's point about hazing being the reason for punching, that was rarely the case. Most fish quit in the first few weeks after FOW when they realize the life other students are living and they don't want the regiment or hardship of a fish. It isn't about hazing we were rarely hazed (I'm using that word loosely, should really be more punished extensively). The people that were "punished extensively" the most were those that our upperclassmen knew could handle it and wouldn't run off to mommy and daddy and cry. Hazing isn't typically about a lack of respect, it was pushing someone to the boundaries of their abilities and their physical limits.
To another person's point about hazing being the reason for punching, that was rarely the case. Most fish quit in the first few weeks after FOW when they realize the life other students are living and they don't want the regiment or hardship of a fish. It isn't about hazing we were rarely hazed (I'm using that word loosely, should really be more punished extensively). The people that were "punished extensively" the most were those that our upperclassmen knew could handle it and wouldn't run off to mommy and daddy and cry. Hazing isn't typically about a lack of respect, it was pushing someone to the boundaries of their abilities and their physical limits.
Double Talkin' Jive...
We had similar posts. You were just faster. I wrote mine on a 3x5 notecard first, 97 times.
Double Talkin' Jive...
My Dad was Class of '58. At his Celebration of Life attended by over 300 mostly Aggies including 17 Former Yell Leaders (He was a Yell Leader) right at the front was a "Filthy Fifth" tshirt that one of his fish buddies gave us to display.schmellba99 said:freedomfighter11 said:
You missed my point.. this proposed plan will result in hundreds of cadets punching out. My point is that this plan creates a corps that is not worth saving. We don't need another service academy model.Having all freshmen essentially housed and trained together didn't seem to kill the Corps the first time it was implemented, which ran from 1946 through 1954.Quote:
in the fall of 1946, Texas A&M gained the use of Bryan Air Force Base, which was being closed, and converted a number of its buildings into dormitories. In 1947, all entering freshmen, approximately 1,500, were assigned to the Bryan Air Force Base "Annex" which became essentially a freshman campus. The Cadet Corps reorganized again to accommodate these unusual conditions.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_University_Corps_of_Cadets#cite_note-Adams,_op._cit-18][18][/url] The 194748 Cadet Corps consisted of five regiments, a Headquarters Group, and the Band during that academic year. The five regiments (a combined Infantry and Veterans regiment, an Artillery regiment, a combined Air Force and Cavalry regiment, a combined Engineer and Composite regiment, and the "Training Regiment" consisting of nine companies of freshmen), the Headquarters Group and the Band were composed of a total of 35 individual military units.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_University_Corps_of_Cadets#cite_note-Adams,_op._cit-18][18][/url] The 195152 academic year saw the organization of the Cadet Corps at is largest in number of individual units. Sixty-six units (companies, batteries and squadrons) were divided among 8 regiments (Infantry, Artillery, Armor/Engineers, First Air Force Wing, 2nd Air Force Wing, Composite Regiment, Seventh Regiment and the Eighth Freshman Training Regiment) consisting of 21 battalions and the Band.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_University_Corps_of_Cadets#cite_note-Adams,_op._cit-18][18][/url]
During this post-war era and into the 1950s, the various units of the Corps continued to be identified by their military branch. The traditional branches (Infantry, Field Artillery, Cavalry, Engineers, Coast Artillery, Quartermaster, Ordinance, Signal Corps, Armor, Chemical Corps, Transportation, Army Security, and Army Air Force) continued to be represented. But the strength of air power and the rise of the importance of the U.S. Air Force during this era was evident in the organization of the Cadet Corps as Army Air Corps units became Air Force flights (later squadrons). Veterans companies and flights were formed to separate these older veterans from younger cadets. Beginning in 1948 athletes were organized into their own batteries (later companies) to accommodate special team practice schedules.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_University_Corps_of_Cadets#cite_note-Adams,_op._cit-18][18][/url] That same year, 1948, the Freshman Regiment added a Band Company and four Air Force flights for a total of 12 units. The Eighth Freshman Training Regiment was moved to the main campus in the fall of 1950, and by 1951, it consisted of a total of 15 freshman companies, batteries and squadrons, each with a branch designation, attached to which was a Senior Battalion of four companies of cadet Seniors. During the 195354 school year, over one-third of the 57 Corps units, a total of 21, consisted of Freshmen. The following year, freshmen were incorporated back into the other Corps units
The situation post WWII was very unique and not really relevant. You had a very unusual circumstance with thousands of Aggies returning to school. Once the WWII folks had worked through the system they basically returned to a more normal setting.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
aggie93 said:The Band is very different than the rest of the Corps in terms of loyalty to your company. The Band is in the Band first and foremost and the loyalty is to that. Sorry but you just don't understand the issue.Houston Lee said:
Look. Just have the fish go in the new way. Then when they eventually get to their individual units, make them earn something specific to the unit. They can get their Corps Brass, or in my case, their Band Lyre. But then make them earn something else for the unit.
Crap them out and put them through hell. It just may be delayed a bit while they do the generic corps stuff for the first semester.
I was in B-Company "Street Fighters". Make it so they cant earn their official Street Fighter shirt until they complete the "initiation process"...
Wrong.
I was and am a Streetfighter first and BQ second.
Tachoro said:
I am a US military officer and A&M grad. I was not in the corps. I'm not trying to mess with tradition but I would like to see everyone in the corps be on a path to actually commission into the armed forces, similar to a service academy. The changes mentioned in this thread may not impact that at all, but I think respect for the corps increases as the commissioning rate increases.
Thank you for your service, but you bring no value to this conversation.
My dad's class of 58
C Armor Jocks
C Armor Jocks
NICU Dad said:aggie93 said:The Band is very different than the rest of the Corps in terms of loyalty to your company. The Band is in the Band first and foremost and the loyalty is to that. Sorry but you just don't understand the issue.Houston Lee said:
Look. Just have the fish go in the new way. Then when they eventually get to their individual units, make them earn something specific to the unit. They can get their Corps Brass, or in my case, their Band Lyre. But then make them earn something else for the unit.
Crap them out and put them through hell. It just may be delayed a bit while they do the generic corps stuff for the first semester.
I was in B-Company "Street Fighters". Make it so they cant earn their official Street Fighter shirt until they complete the "initiation process"...
Wrong.
I was and am a Streetfighter first and BQ second.
That's such a foreign thought to me: we were BQs first, and there was one Aggie Band humpit.
Times were different in the 80s
The biggest lie told about the corps is that it's a student led organization.
That's actually the mental test. It's so tempting as you are exhausted after yet another morning of waking up to be yelled at and PT and rushing to fix up your room (hole) and taking a piss in your sink because it just wasn't worth the hassle of going out in the hallway to be harassed. Then you see that dude chatting it up with a coed and you are sitting there looking like a dork with no hair in a uniform with no frills.Fuzzy Dunlop said:
To your point re: being a non-reg, I went to summer school after my sophomore year in the Corps, lived off campus, and went to class in non-regs. What a mind-blowing thing that was after two years in the Corps. Not that it was bad, quite the contrary. It was nice to look like a normal student, but I couldn't imagine my entire college experience being that. It made me appreciate what we had in the dorm regarding camaraderie.
To another person's point about hazing being the reason for punching, that was rarely the case. Most fish quit in the first few weeks after FOW when they realize the life other students are living and they don't want the regiment or hardship of a fish. It isn't about hazing we were rarely hazed (I'm using that word loosely, should really be more punished extensively). The people that were "punished extensively" the most were those that our upperclassmen knew could handle it and wouldn't run off to mommy and daddy and cry. Hazing isn't typically about a lack of respect, it was pushing someone to the boundaries of their abilities and their physical limits.
The reality of course is punching is no paradise and you realize that it isn't what you thought. Most of the guys who punched out of our outfit never graduated from A&M in the end. It would be hard not to feel a big sense of loss or failure for many unless you truly knew punching was the right choice and didn't do it just because you had a crappy week.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
Then you are the first BQ I know that would say that.NICU Dad said:aggie93 said:The Band is very different than the rest of the Corps in terms of loyalty to your company. The Band is in the Band first and foremost and the loyalty is to that. Sorry but you just don't understand the issue.Houston Lee said:
Look. Just have the fish go in the new way. Then when they eventually get to their individual units, make them earn something specific to the unit. They can get their Corps Brass, or in my case, their Band Lyre. But then make them earn something else for the unit.
Crap them out and put them through hell. It just may be delayed a bit while they do the generic corps stuff for the first semester.
I was in B-Company "Street Fighters". Make it so they cant earn their official Street Fighter shirt until they complete the "initiation process"...
Wrong.
I was and am a Streetfighter first and BQ second.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
2nd here
Streetfighter '02
Streetfighter '02
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Definitely Not A Cop said:
The biggest lie told about the corps is that it's a student led organization.
It used to be but certainly wasn't when I was there from 2009-2013
So do you also agree that while you are more loyal to your outfit than the Band that it really isn't a big deal for your fish to be a part of your outfit from the beginning? Of course that also won't work in the Band since you guys are marching at Kyle so quickly unless you want Band fish not to march.pacecar02 said:
2nd here
Streetfighter '02
See where this is going?
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
Apologies in advance for the length but there's no way to tell COL Kurtz story without telling my own.The Kraken said:
Your daughter went to VMI...how did they train/integrate the rats?
My daughter appears to be the only cadet from Australia to ever sign the Matriculation Book.
Coming from a swanky private girls school in Sydney to VMI was a major shock. She told me later, something to the effect of, one of the reasons she made it was because she didn't know what she was getting in to.
Just like at Texas A&M, they have a non-commission option in the VMI Corps.
Unlike Texas A&M, all of their Division 1 athletes are also cadets. This is one of the primary avenues for recruiting females.
The composition of their Corps is similar to the US Military with 15%-18% females even though the first female wasn't admitted until about 1999. I know they celebrated the 20th anniversary while my daughter was a cadet (her friends are in scenes of the RBG movie).
VMI has a fitness test which all cadets must past so just like Texas A&M, there is a physical fitness aspect as well as the 7-day a week uniformed Corps of Cadets. There is an honor code which they adhere to much more strictly than A&M does the Aggie Code of Honor.
For the integration of the Rat Mass, here's how it works.
- They usually have about 500 cadets show up in August for Matriculation Day.
- They get fitted for uniforms, change into PT gear and then have a ceremony where they are taken away for an 8 day long training event called "Hell Week" (far more intense than Aggie FOW).
- They lose a few cadets during that time which completes prior to the start of classes. At VMI, quitting is called Outprocessing or OP.
- During "Hell Week" is when some athletes discover that this is a Military themed college (despite the fact it's in the name, you'd be amazed how many athletes don't realize this).
- After "Hell Week", they start into their academic year, going to class, doing ROTC, etc.
- They have formations in the morning and evening, just like A&M's Corps.
- If you think "Whipping Out" is bad, wait until you find out about "Straining" at VMI.
Their cadet companies are much larger. They have a small marching band which is its own company. Otherwise, they have about 9-10 companies for a Cadet Corps of around 1,700 cadets on a good day. Each of these companies might have 150 or so cadets. I think they only have two Battalions and one Regimental Commander.
They assign male cadets to companies based on height. Kind of like the Ross Volunteer Platoons, I guess. Alpha and India are the companies where everybody is 6'0" or better and these two companies include most of the athletes. In the middle of the formation, the 5'4" guys are all in Delta or Echo.
Females are assigned to companies more randomly. They don't have that many females to go around so they get scattered across random companies. Especially since a lot of them are in Band Company, each company only gets a few female Rats every year.
They live in bigger rooms on the same floor with their class. Fourth Class cadets on fourth stoop and First Class cadets on the ground floor. The rooms vary in size from as few as 4 Rats per room to as many as 7 in a strangely shaped corner room. Every year they move down a floor so the rooms get mixed up a little as well as friendship groups change so they don't necessarily live with the same people all the time. And there's no outfit per floor concept like at A&M. They only have 3 "barracks" buildings instead of 10-12 like the Aggie Quad.
Limited Cadet Leadership Opportunities At VMI, there are only a handful of leadership positions compared to A&M so not that many cadets get to be a Platoon Leader, Company Commander, Regimental Commander, etc. Those folks are referred to as "Rankers" and get made fun of a lot by their Brother Rats (BRs).
There is no Civilian Option Obviously the biggest difference overall. If you OP from the Corps at VMI, you're also leaving the University.
Ca-dating - You're not allowed to date in your chain of command and as a Rat, you're not allowed to date at all. With the upperclassmen, some cadets will move between companies for dating purposes.
Leaving Post - Rats are not allowed to leave campus except at special times of the semester like when there's a Football Game and their parents can take them out for dinner afterwards.
Cars - Only First Class cadets are allowed to have cars on campus so there is a culture of ride sharing. Especially for out of state cadets who need a ride from Roanoke, or Washington, D.C. to get to campus.
Duration of their Rat Year versus our fish Year - The Rats get dogged out until they "breakout" which usually occurs in February when the Rats have achieved the standards required.
I know things are different today but when I was in the Corps (BG Michaelis was in the same Army ROTC Year Group as me), Corps Brass was earned in the Fall at random times by random Corps outfits. In the Band, we technically earned our Corps Brass after our first "Perfect Drill" (which in my case was before classes even started) but, we continued to get dogged out until sometime around "March to the Brazos" in April. Some minor chilling out during Bonfire cut but otherwise, it was balls to the wall.
Rat - First Class relationship - During my time, we were always 1:1 between the fish and sophomores. The Juniors were enjoying Junior Privileges and the Zips were pretty much dead except for the Zips who wanted to be Super Pissheads. They'd stop by to make sure the Sophomores were doing their jobs to their degree of satisfaction.
At VMI, the (Seniors) First Class Cadets are assigned a Rat. Sometimes, they might have more than 1 because there are more Rats than First Class Cadets. The well being of that Rat is the responsibility of the First Class cadet and they take pride in ownership so to speak. They want their Rat to do well. They want their Rat to learn and survive and continue their lineage.
Everybody at VMI can trace their "heritage" so to speak back to whomever trained them. Who their Rat to First Class cadet relationship was. So, my Armor School buddy who was VMI Class of 1993, would have trained 1996, they would have trained 1999, 2002, 2005, 2008, 2011, 2014, 2017, 2020, etc. So, it would have been a big deal if his son had been 2020 instead of 2021.
One key takeaway here is that at VMI, their Class Year and their "Line" matters more to them than what cadet company they were in.
The other key takeaway in the VMI system is that the First Class cadets are invested in the success of the Rats. They set the standard and hold their Rats to the standard but it's more of a 1:1 relationship rather than dogging out some random cadet in your company that you don't know. Because with the larger company sizes, you won't know everybody.
Summer Transition Program - We didn't know about this program before my daughter attended VMI but it's helpful for many. What they do is, teach summer school classes not in uniform. So there's no Corps active and no uniforms but, they have two terms where students can earn 6 hours per team.
During STP, they work with upper class cadets to improve things like running, PT, fitness. I know that they break up the incoming cadets (the call them "Pre-Strains") into running ability groups and work with them on that.
Meals - Once the Fall school semester starts and they're marching down to Crozet Dining Hall for meals, it's very much like the old Duncan Dining Hall meals were.
Breaks - VMI gets a Furlough for a week over Thanksgiving. And they get some relief after home football games but other than that, it's a long slog.
I was confused when I was reading the earlier statements about Texas A&M having a Fall Break. During my era of the Aggie Band traveling to every football game, our first "break" was after the Thanksgiving game against t.u. in Austin.
Politics - One last thing I'll say about the VMI Corps is that they're way more politically connected in Virginia but just like Texas A&M, a frequent target for the media and haters. We had Governor Perry, they had the Coonman.
Probably more information than any of you every wanted to know and I'm sure I left some stuff out.
Hopefully that info is useful as the Aggie Corps looks at making changes.
There's a good quote about not letting an idiot drag you onto his turf and all that.
noaggie93 said:So do you also agree that while you are more loyal to your outfit than the Band that it really isn't a big deal for your fish to be a part of your outfit from the beginning? Of course that also won't work in the Band since you guys are marching at Kyle so quickly unless you want Band fish not to march.pacecar02 said:
2nd here
Streetfighter '02
See where this is going?
fish should have interaction with their outfit everyday
fish are the lifeblood of the corps and in turn the outfits
Band is different, we have always done Major Unit and Outfit daily things since F.O.W.
We have the band part, we have shared learning and expectations. Limited fish games on the drill field, fish are more like restricted sophomores on the drill field. We march to and from drill with our outfits. March there and run back.
Band culture has already balanced some of these things because we've had to do it that way. Doesn't work another way.
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Some people on this thread don't know the difference between something being challenging and something being hazing.
Wabs said:
Some people on this thread don't know the difference between something being challenging and something being hazing.
Can you blame them? We have retired generals running our corps that don't know the difference, Basically since Van Alstyne.
schmellba99 said:freedomfighter11 said:
You missed my point.. this proposed plan will result in hundreds of cadets punching out. My point is that this plan creates a corps that is not worth saving. We don't need another service academy model.Having all freshmen essentially housed and trained together didn't seem to kill the Corps the first time it was implemented, which ran from 1946 through 1954.Quote:
in the fall of 1946, Texas A&M gained the use of Bryan Air Force Base, which was being closed, and converted a number of its buildings into dormitories. In 1947, all entering freshmen, approximately 1,500, were assigned to the Bryan Air Force Base "Annex" which became essentially a freshman campus. The Cadet Corps reorganized again to accommodate these unusual conditions.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_University_Corps_of_Cadets#cite_note-Adams,_op._cit-18][18][/url] The 194748 Cadet Corps consisted of five regiments, a Headquarters Group, and the Band during that academic year. The five regiments (a combined Infantry and Veterans regiment, an Artillery regiment, a combined Air Force and Cavalry regiment, a combined Engineer and Composite regiment, and the "Training Regiment" consisting of nine companies of freshmen), the Headquarters Group and the Band were composed of a total of 35 individual military units.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_University_Corps_of_Cadets#cite_note-Adams,_op._cit-18][18][/url] The 195152 academic year saw the organization of the Cadet Corps at is largest in number of individual units. Sixty-six units (companies, batteries and squadrons) were divided among 8 regiments (Infantry, Artillery, Armor/Engineers, First Air Force Wing, 2nd Air Force Wing, Composite Regiment, Seventh Regiment and the Eighth Freshman Training Regiment) consisting of 21 battalions and the Band.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_University_Corps_of_Cadets#cite_note-Adams,_op._cit-18][18][/url]
During this post-war era and into the 1950s, the various units of the Corps continued to be identified by their military branch. The traditional branches (Infantry, Field Artillery, Cavalry, Engineers, Coast Artillery, Quartermaster, Ordinance, Signal Corps, Armor, Chemical Corps, Transportation, Army Security, and Army Air Force) continued to be represented. But the strength of air power and the rise of the importance of the U.S. Air Force during this era was evident in the organization of the Cadet Corps as Army Air Corps units became Air Force flights (later squadrons). Veterans companies and flights were formed to separate these older veterans from younger cadets. Beginning in 1948 athletes were organized into their own batteries (later companies) to accommodate special team practice schedules.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_University_Corps_of_Cadets#cite_note-Adams,_op._cit-18][18][/url] That same year, 1948, the Freshman Regiment added a Band Company and four Air Force flights for a total of 12 units. The Eighth Freshman Training Regiment was moved to the main campus in the fall of 1950, and by 1951, it consisted of a total of 15 freshman companies, batteries and squadrons, each with a branch designation, attached to which was a Senior Battalion of four companies of cadet Seniors. During the 195354 school year, over one-third of the 57 Corps units, a total of 21, consisted of Freshmen. The following year, freshmen were incorporated back into the other Corps units
So when it was an all male military school and military service was compulsory?
Do you think your cadet experience would have been different if you were in school then? This plan will kill the D&C experience, which has been the main experience for the past 50 years.
Fuzzy Dunlop said:
We had similar posts. You were just faster. I wrote mine on a 3x5 notecard first, 97 times.
I don't care who you are that's redass.
Then you've never met one of my buddies.aggie93 said:Then you are the first BQ I know that would say that.NICU Dad said:aggie93 said:The Band is very different than the rest of the Corps in terms of loyalty to your company. The Band is in the Band first and foremost and the loyalty is to that. Sorry but you just don't understand the issue.Houston Lee said:
Look. Just have the fish go in the new way. Then when they eventually get to their individual units, make them earn something specific to the unit. They can get their Corps Brass, or in my case, their Band Lyre. But then make them earn something else for the unit.
Crap them out and put them through hell. It just may be delayed a bit while they do the generic corps stuff for the first semester.
I was in B-Company "Street Fighters". Make it so they cant earn their official Street Fighter shirt until they complete the "initiation process"...
Wrong.
I was and am a Streetfighter first and BQ second.
Wrong again. It was and is crucial for the fish to be part of the outfit from day 1. Especially since Hell Week died.aggie93 said:So do you also agree that while you are more loyal to your outfit than the Band that it really isn't a big deal for your fish to be a part of your outfit from the beginning? Of course that also won't work in the Band since you guys are marching at Kyle so quickly unless you want Band fish not to march.pacecar02 said:
2nd here
Streetfighter '02
See where this is going?
I believe one of your buddies was the youngest brother of my Ol Lady.pacecar02 said:
2nd here
Streetfighter '02
Unless you're that brother.
We're there 3 of them? Then yes.
And after the corps we became neighbors.
And after the corps we became neighbors.
no sig
Same family. My ol lady is the oldest of the 3.pacecar02 said:
We're there 3 of them? Then yes.
And after the corps we became neighbors.
bobbranco said:I tell you what is imbecilic is the lack of awareness. The incident below happened with sophomores not freshman. It's absolutely embarrassing to every Aggie. Do you want us to keep quiet while your brethren continue to embarrass us to the world. Screw that.CBatt20 said:
So, wait, you waltz into this topic declaring you know exactly what the problem is, while having no experience in the Corps whatsoever and having your supposed issue completely unmentioned by Michaelis?
Rather imbecilic, frankly. Do better.
Any idiot can determine the disgusting and criminal behavior posted below, the link posted earlier in the thread by another poster, will kill the CoC not the change to outfit culture. After reading that I posit the hazing is what is forcing this change. You guys better get your crap together and lead or you will lose the CoC.Quote:
Ten members of the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets face allegations of hazing a fellow cadet from the Houston area with "degrading and humiliating" acts last year when they trapped the student in a dark campus dorm room, according to a lawsuit filed against the students.
The student says he was lured to a room under false pretenses, forced to be part of a dramatized sexual act by a Corps member, and tied between two beds like a roasted pig with an apple forced in his mouth, he said in the suit. Some of the students simply watched or laughed, allegedly violating university rules and state laws by not stopping the hazing, his attorneys said.
Blah, blah, blah ...Quote:
One of the defendants then was ordered to strip naked and "crucify" himself, according to the lawsuit. The student placed a condom on his *****, danced around the room, and began rubbing his body against the trapped cadet, he said.
The cadet again tried to leave, but the naked student bearhugged him, according to the suit. He yelled and threatened to respond violently, but the defendants only laughed, he said. They then bound his hands and feet with duct tape and placed an apple in his mouth, the cadet alleged. They threaded a closet rod between his hands and feet and hoisted him like a roast pig between two beds, his lawyers said in the lawsuit.
Some of the cadets took a photo smiling next to him and shared the picture with every sophomore cadet, the plaintiff alleged.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-am-hazing-lawsuit-cadets-18550232.php
Sounds like Bubaranco is upset he/she missed out on the condom party….someone please make sure her gets on the list next time
Really cool, thanks for sharing. I enjoy understanding the uniqueness of the other SMCs. I was actually at Sunday brunch with my VMI buddy who I've known since we were LTs. (Wife and I took them to the broadmoor for letting me live in his basement for a month while waiting for my tenants to move out of our house and fixing it up /cool story)
Somehow we got to talking about college and he was telling me about the fact that they were divided up by height. He was also telling me about how they "brace" or whatever they called it, while I was explaining the intricacies of hitting the wall.
Somehow we got to talking about college and he was telling me about the fact that they were divided up by height. He was also telling me about how they "brace" or whatever they called it, while I was explaining the intricacies of hitting the wall.
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