Dan Bongino says it's the biggest scandal in US history.

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bobbranco said:

I take the talk of a binder as a collection of documents. And yes there could be thumb drives or other forms of storage media in a 'binder'.


Of course there could be. But how, being so important, could anyone allow it to be taken in one place? My point is, if it was so important why would anyone not have copies in multiple locations?
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YellowPot_97 said:

….time for the Kraken?????
Time for a paid liar (lawyer) to come up with some stupid term or phrase are you?
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There may be a particular set of internal records that someone in the know or involved went to secure or make disappear and they discovered it missing. If it is even real, Trump probably didn't have whatever it is or any knowledge it existed. It would have been an internal CIA product, or maybe exchanges between CIA and our closest allied intelligence services. All that may be known is someone inside was looking for something that was unaccounted for and the rest might be all conjecture.

I'd sit on this and wait for it to develop. If there is anything to it, some hard evidence will materialize eventually.
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There probably are but not really an important factoid. In any event, one is supposedly in the wild. Reported by CNN originally.
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To believe this "binder" idea you have to believe that Trump is simultaneously the most competent and the most incompetent person ever to be president.
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TheRealCoachO said:

This implies that Trump still has the evidence…if such evidence even exists.
If Trump had real evidence he would have tweeted it by now.
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If the story were true, it would mean trump had just lost an election, was deep in the middle of trying to overturn his loss, had nothing left to lose if he went nuclear, was holding proof that the government had conspired against him, and had the authority to share that proof with the world… And then just didn't?
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Phatbob said:

To believe this "binder" idea you have to believe that Trump is simultaneously the most competent and the most incompetent person ever to be president.
This is not about Trump's intelligence or competence. Get a grip.

From Shellenberger:

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The "missing binder" story has several variants. Sources offer differing answers on the question of whether anything of consequence is missing. They give mixed accounts of Trump's frantic last efforts to declassify Russia-related material.

But nearly everyone Public and Racket spoke to agreed that the tale obscured a broader and more important story.

Dating back to the release of the so-called "Nunes memo" in 2018 exposing the corruption of the FISA application process, senior intelligence officials, including Trump's CIA Director, Gina Haspel, have repeatedly blocked attempts to declassify information about the Trump-Russia investigation.

They had good reason to obstruct the release of these documents.
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Yesterday said:

bobbranco said:

I take the talk of a binder as a collection of documents. And yes there could be thumb drives or other forms of storage media in a 'binder'.


Of course there could be. But how, being so important, could anyone allow it to be taken in one place? My point is, if it was so important why would anyone not have copies in multiple locations?

Not only that but he has all of this evidence that can destroy the deep state and he just sits on it? He doesn't use it to help rid our government of these crook, he just puts it in a binder and does nothing. This scenario doesn't paint Trump in a good light no matter how you look at it.
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Bongino says ....
The deference given to this guy is just astounding. He is a meathead, barely-literate former cop and 3x failed political candidate, yet the Far Right treats him like the Oracle of Delphi.

We seem to get one of these threads every time the guy speaks.
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Now do Shellenberger, Taibbi and Gutentag where this story originated. All 3 of these reporters are leftist journalists bringing corruption to light.

Are they knuckle draggers?
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Bryanisbest said:

Mar A Lago was searched in order to seize a "binder" that will show John Brennan, the CIA, FBI, Hillary Clinton campaign, foreign actors, FISA courts, MSM, the entire deep state of Government, etc, have all been involved since 2015 in taking down Donald Trump to insure he would never be President. The pee tape, crossfire hurricane, Mar A Lago, both impeachment efforts, all the lawfare, etc. In summary, virtually every attack on Trump was initiated or carried out by the US Government with the help of non-govt people. Also, Ukraine is receiving billions to keep them quiet about the Biden's bribery. Before Trump the Dems loved Russia not Ukraine. After the onset of Trump they completely switched, loving Ukraine and hating Russia. Trump makes the "perfect call" about all this to Ukraine and the Dems try to impeach him on it. Every one of these actions are not separate. They all were done for one thing, taking down Trump. Bongino says it is the greatest scandal in US history. All coming together thru sources relied on by journalists Matt Taibi, and two other journalists whose names escape me now, a male and a female reporter.
Sorry but this all sounds like the Q-Anon stuff.

I don't disagree with the assertion that forces aligned against Trump to take him down, and continue to do so, but this whole Trump is going to expose this huge conspiracy but hasn't done so yet seems far fetched.

If most of this is true, there is no saving the United States of America. It was a great experiment, and worked for the most part, but cratered due to corruption. I have said it multiple times, #TEXIT is probably our best course of action at this point. We need to learn and clean up Austin, which is far easier than cleaning up DC.
I know NOTHING!!!!
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Bryanisbest said:

Mar A Lago was searched in order to seize a "binder" that will show John Brennan, the CIA, FBI, Hillary Clinton campaign, foreign actors, FISA courts, MSM, the entire deep state of Government, etc, have all been involved since 2015 in taking down


MAL was searched because Trump didn't turn over marked classified documents after he was subpoenaed by a grand jury.
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Don't let TDS force you to jump to conclusions.
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Hungry Ojos said:

So where is "the binder"?


Someone should ask Mark Meadows.
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Dude, step back for a minute and, even if you accept the pro-Trump version, think about how he handled this.
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bobbranco said:

Phatbob said:

To believe this "binder" idea you have to believe that Trump is simultaneously the most competent and the most incompetent person ever to be president.
This is not about Trump's intelligence or competence. Get a grip.

From Shellenberger:

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The "missing binder" story has several variants. Sources offer differing answers on the question of whether anything of consequence is missing. They give mixed accounts of Trump's frantic last efforts to declassify Russia-related material.

But nearly everyone Public and Racket spoke to agreed that the tale obscured a broader and more important story.

Dating back to the release of the so-called "Nunes memo" in 2018 exposing the corruption of the FISA application process, senior intelligence officials, including Trump's CIA Director, Gina Haspel, have repeatedly blocked attempts to declassify information about the Trump-Russia investigation.

They had good reason to obstruct the release of these documents.



Ok, but as president he has fairly broad authority to declassify things right? Isn't that the heart of his defense in the maralago documents case? Why would he needs anyone's permission or authority, especially if he felt it would benefit him?
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YellowPot_97 said:

….time for the Kraken?????
Oh hai!
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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You should step back.

Read the reporting. You clearly don't understand it.

I take the talk of the binder as an idea. The documents supposedly exist and may be in a binder format, a collection of documents. Reported by CNN last year.

Trump never likely had these documents. There was a fear that he had the documents. Get it?

And these documents, the story of them, exposes the corruption.

All brought to light by super liberal journalists intent on burning Trump to the ground? Is that your great evaluation of these reports?
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Isn't that the heart of his defense in the maralago documents case?
On Twitter, yes. I do not think his lawyers are making this argument in Court.


I'm Gipper
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bobbranco said:

Don't let TDS force you to jump to conclusions.
Or let it see only want to see.
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Reading is fundamental. It's not about Trump releasing anything. It's about the corrupt government actions brought to light by super liberal journalists.

Keep up.
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Trump was president when he had this file.

He could have declassified whatever it was. So why not.
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Doesnt matter what is in binder. It could have documents signed, sealed and officially stamped, along with recording of whoever it was trying to take Trump down ,and when exposed, persons involved would deny it and media would call Trump liar and anyone else who believes it as dumbass racist etc. End of story.
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MiamiHopper said:

Bryanisbest said:

Mar A Lago was searched in order to seize a "binder" that will show John Brennan, the CIA, FBI, Hillary Clinton campaign, foreign actors, FISA courts, MSM, the entire deep state of Government, etc, have all been involved since 2015 in taking down


MAL was searched because Trump didn't turn over marked classified documents after he was subpoenaed by a grand jury.
MAL was searched because Trump is Biden's (Obama's) political enemy. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I did read the reporting, and it says nothing about the raid on Trump. You're jumping to conclusions that aren't in the reporting.
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I don't see any reporting that Trump had these documents.
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It's in multiple reports. Keep up.

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Until now, the official story has been that the FBI's investigation began after Australian intelligence officials told US officials that a Trump aide had boasted to an Australian diplomat that Russia had damning material about Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

In truth, the US IC asked the "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance to surveil Trump's associates and share the intelligence they acquired with US agencies, say sources close to a House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HSPCI) investigation. The Five Eyes nations are the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

After Public and Racket had been told that President Barack Obama's CIA Director, John Brennan, had identified 26 Trump associates for the Five Eyes to target, a source confirmed that the IC had "identified [them] as people to 'bump,' or make contact with or manipulate. They were targets of our own IC and law enforcement targets for collection and misinformation."

Unknown details about the FBI's investigation of the Trump campaign and raw intelligence related to the IC's surveillance of the Trump campaign are in a 10-inch binder that Trump ordered to be declassified at the very end of his term, sources told Public and Racket.

If the top-secret documents exist proving these charges, they are potentially proof that multiple US intelligence officials broke laws against spying and election interference.

https://public.substack.com/p/cia-had-foreign-allies-spy-on-trump

I read the bolded, and all the other reporting by these guys, as Trump may have declassified the binder and may have a copy, not that he declassified it nor that he possess the binder.

And yes, if Trump got his grubby paws in this 'binder', he would have gone scorched earth.
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so why go to all of that trouble to raid him for the binder? And if it is the case that Trump can have all of this evidence and no one will listen to him or nothing will happen, how is he going to effectively take on the swamp if elected?
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here we are 4 years removed and Trump has never once provided a single piece of evidence for all of his bloviating. but, that's because he had a magic binder stolen from him.

good lord. get a grip.
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i am not certain of much these days but if you don't think that this is at the very least possible based on everything you have seen since trump took the stage as a political candidate you haven't been paying attention. the last four years including covid has clearly shown the level of corruption and criminal behavior of a very hig percentage of politicians. criminals will absolutely do anything to cover their tracks to not be exposed.

i am not saying definitively this is true but it would explain a whole lot about peoples behavior when it comes to trump.
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Phatbob said:

I did read the reporting, and it says nothing about the raid on Trump. You're jumping to conclusions that aren't in the reporting.
Straight out of Shellenberger's mouth. Keep up.

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"There has been widespread speculation that this binder was the reason, or a reason, for the FBI raid of Mar-a-Lago," the report's co-author Michael Shellenberger told Fox News.

Mr. Shellenberger wrote the report with two other independent journalists. They relied on a source close to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence who said committee staffers uncovered evidence that Mr. Brennan asked the Five Eyes intelligence alliance to spy on 26 Trump campaign associates in the months leading up to the election.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/14/missing-binder-at-center-of-new-claim-that-cia-dru/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/02/14/shellenberger_missing_classified_binder_proving_obama_weaponized_five_eyes_allies_to_launch_trump-russia_allegations_could_have_been_reason_for_fbi_mar-a-lago_raid.html
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Bryanisbest said:

Mar A Lago was searched in order to seize a "binder" that will show John Brennan, the CIA, FBI, Hillary Clinton campaign, foreign actors, FISA courts, MSM, the entire deep state of Government, etc, have all been involved since 2015 in taking down Donald Trump to insure he would never be President.
It is. Sounds so incredible, yet those of us who have followed the accusations and the cases along the way know it to be true. Most of it has happened right in front of our faces. It's a shame that Americans are so lazy that they sit idly by whole our government takes over the country and runs it of, by, and for the benefit of itself. The frog in the pot has played out in America.

We now work FOR them now. Hussein promised fundamental transformation and so many just do not believe that it has happened.
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Furlock Bones said:

here we are 4 years removed and Trump has never once provided a single piece of evidence for all of his bloviating. but, that's because he had a magic binder stolen from him.

good lord. get a grip.
Fabricating a narrative is your expertise?
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Agreed, yesterday's Bongino show was first class and if you have not listened to it, you should.

He introduces the "Pipes" used to "Allow" the FBI to open the investigation which was the goal.
 
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