Tucker in Moscow

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Woods Ag said:

I deleted this earlier but I'll include it as it happened a few hours ago at my own peril.

In preface, I'm not a fighter. Not at all. It's been since college that I got in a fist fight, but if instigated I'm not backing down.

It's long, but to avoid questioning I'll tell the whole story.

I took my 2 dogs to a local mountain bike park today like I do most days that the weather is nice. As I'm unloading and getting ready to go a guy comes off the trail with his dog. My dog and his dog meet face to face as he says "is your dog friendly?" I respond that he is as in the 3 years that we have hiked and biked trails across this country he has never fought another dog other than when an old man lost control of his pit bull that attacked my dog. My other dog is younger and I'm training him and keep him at my side. He's well trained and I can call him off of anything.

As I go about my business the 2 dogs start fighting. As I holler at my dog and approach my dog quits and comes back to me and I hear him say "get your ****ing dog off of my dog!" I ignored him, as I understand he's emotional and my dog doesn't start fights but I'm also not concerned because he can handle himself. It's when his 2 buddies leave where they are eating lunch at their vehicles and start approaching me aggressively with "Mother ****er" as part of their rants that I understand the situation that I am in. I can't flee, I certainly ain't going to shoot them because this is just a old fashion dispute. So I quickly made the decision that I am probably about to get my ass beat by 3 guys, but this first ****ing dude is going to get severely hurt. I respond and start approaching them with every intention of ****ing as many of them up as I can or at least going down with a fight. Thank the good Lord that in my response they started backpedaling and I quickly saw it and did the same. Most people aren't about that life.. They act tough, but when it comes time to get down they don't want it. I went on my ride and when I came back I approached them, apologized if my dog was the dog that initiated the fight, explained that that hasn't happend before, and my response was only in retaliation of 3 guys aggressively approaching me because I had determined that I had no other choice. All good, we shook hands and wished each other well.

Point is.. Most people think they are tough, but when they see that there is real opposition they don't want to get in a real fight. Thank God that it didn't happen today. It's the first time in 10-15 years that I got to that level, but you want ot **** around I'm never stepping back. My knee doesn't bend. You can call it childish or immature, but thats the way **** works.


You meet a bully or you get run over. It's the exact same in business and in world politics. You're dealing with the mother ****er that was mean enough to rise to the top. You meet him on his level or he will destroy you.




So we must meet a bully head on, but we should stop funding Ukraine with arms. Unless Trump is president then it's okay and you're not only okay with funding Ukraine, but commiting American troops and possibly using a nuclear weapon on Moscow.
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No, see above.
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I saw above. It's simply fantasy. Putin is a former KGB agent with all the asses of Russian intelligence. He knows how to call a bluff.
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I think Trump can too. That's the point.

Sorry, I should qualify that I'm not talking about how Trump should handle it today. Maybe that's more imporant.

I'm disputing that it would have happened to begin with.
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Teslag said:

with all the asses
go on....

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Woods Ag said:

I think Trump can too. That's the point.


But he knows 100% that Trump wouldn't go to war over Ukraine. Especially without congressional to put boots on the ground. And he knows Trump wouldn't do **** after Russian PMC's engaged American positions and trumps response was to leave Syria altogether.
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Putin is evil and a liar.
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Teslag said:

Woods Ag said:

I think Trump can too. That's the point.


But he knows 100% that Trump wouldn't go to war over Ukraine. Especially without congressional to put boots on the ground. And he knows Trump wouldn't do **** after Russian PMC's engaged American positions and trumps response was to leave Syria altogether.
I think Trump is more likely to say, hey Ukraine is a problem for me also. My sworn enemy the deep state is using it to launder money, Our corrupt political class are getting no show jobs for their kids, and laundering aide money back into their bank accounts. It is creating all sorts of conflicts of interest. Maybe instead of arming the Nazis, we can help you clean up the Ukraine. Now what can you do for me in the east?
(obviously a nice trump hotel in Kiev, but what else?, can you do for the USA if we abandon, then condemn the nazis on the world stage?

There's a reason it was easy for Trump to defang ISIS. step one. cut the support.
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Texas velvet maestro said:

Teslag said:

Woods Ag said:

I think Trump can too. That's the point.


But he knows 100% that Trump wouldn't go to war over Ukraine. Especially without congressional to put boots on the ground. And he knows Trump wouldn't do **** after Russian PMC's engaged American positions and trumps response was to leave Syria altogether.
I think Trump is more likely to say, hey Ukraine is a problem for me also. My sworn enemy the deep state is using it to launder money, Our corrupt political class are getting no show jobs for their kids, and laundering aide money back into their bank accounts. It is creating all sorts of conflicts of interest. Maybe instead of arming the Nazis, we can help you clean up the Ukraine. Now what can you do for me in the east?
(obviously a nice trump hotel in Kiev, but what else?, can you do for the USA if we abandon, then condemn the nazis on the world stage?

There's a reason it was easy for Trump to defang ISIS. step one. cut the support.


Zelensky was a willing tool of ciatamella and vindman in a little impeachment coup against trump by democrats. I doubt he's a big fan.
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snizzler22 said:

What rarely gets discussed is the logic of this belief that we have the obligation to let every Tom and Harry off the street into NATO. Of course all these countries want to join NATO. Their main concern is self-preservation and nothing's better than the US bankrolling your defense. I don't blame them. How is that a better deal for us though? We defeated the significantly more formidable Soviet Union with a smaller alliance. Without a hot war too.

I hope this ideology that the US is the arbiter of good in every corner of the globe comes to an end. Europe is more than capable of handling Russia if it ever came to that. They couldn't handle the Soviet Union. We can get involved in the preposterous scenario of Russia threatening to conquer our friends in Western Europe.

You would think there'd be more self-reflection after our foreign policy debacles of the past decades. Yes, we still have it good here comparatively. It's also true that it was much better before we started getting involved in all these conflicts. None of which were an existential threat to us.

Education, cost of living, political polarization, social mobility and the divide between rich and poor have all worsened as a result of the prioritization and spending. I'm not saying it's solely from that, it's certainly played an outsized role. Current domestic issues are the existential threats to our way of life today and we created it. Same with the rise of a true peer rival in China by making them wealthy in hopes of instigating political change.

I have trouble understanding those that are more invested in largely irrelevant foreign countries, rather than their own neighbors. IMO that's the reality and choice with a $30+ trillion deficit. Screw Russia, but we have to pick and choose. It's fine to subscribe to the expansionist NATO camp, I disagree, but at least own it. Don't portray NATO expansion as absolutely necessary and Ukraine the unavoidable victim. Nothing occurs in a vacuum and every action has tradeoffs.
How is it a better deal?

Well, Russia probably won't attack a NATO country. If Ukraine had been in NATO, the chances of this "Special Military Operation" occurring drop considerably.

Which means we wouldn't have sent all those billions of dollars to Ukraine to help them fight the Russian invasion...

So, there's that.
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Teslag said:

Woods Ag said:

I think Trump can too. That's the point.


But he knows 100% that Trump wouldn't go to war over Ukraine. Especially without congressional to put boots on the ground. And he knows Trump wouldn't do **** after Russian PMC's engaged American positions and trumps response was to leave Syria altogether.
Trump refused to fire back at Iranian SAM batteries after they shot down an AMERICAN MQ-9 Rapier

because he "didn't want to kill anyone"

but somehow Putin and his 450,000 man invasion force would be stopped by Trump who spent years castigating NATO and saying the USA was too busy in other country's business?
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We can dance around hypotheticals all day. What are the facts? Russia wasn't aggressive at all between 2017-2020. Aggressive the few years before that and a year after that.

What's the difference?
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I don't care if Ukraine is part of Russia again. At least not enough to fund the war to the extent we are - $100 billion plus. Not optimal, but the cost isn't worth the benefit.
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Finally finishing up the interview.

He outlines exactly how I always saw this thing with Russia starting back to the fall of the USSR. Why did we keep them at arms length all these years? Why aren't they in NATO?

I'm sure there's tons I don't know/understand as I don't spend all my time on the history of relations with Russia, but it seems to me that not only did we reject them from NATO, but NATO and the US have continually increased the pressure on Russia. You can't join and we're ever so slowly moving east closer and closer to you which we've already showed you via rejection of NATO that we see you as an adversary.

This is bad business, and you can't keep turning up the heat and not expect there to be a reaction at some point. Then our leaders all act surprised that Russia reacted.
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Secolobo said:


Amazing how many people are willing to tune in for something that isn't being filtered through the traditional media outlets.

Then of course contrast that with Biden's pathetically weak press conference where he looked like a lost old man being hurled question after question.
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It's over 100m views when I checked this morning on twitter alone. Crazy.. I watched it on TCN. Are those that did that counted in that 100m or not?
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Woods Ag said:

We can dance around hypotheticals all day. What are the facts? Russia wasn't aggressive at all between 2017-2020. Aggressive the few years before that and a year after that.

What's the difference?

Again, Russian PMC's directly engaged our American positions in Syria during this time frame.
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C@LAg said:

Teslag said:

with all the asses
go on....


Asses are assets, I mean what would we do without them?
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C@LAg said:

Teslag said:

with all the asses
go on....




They're quite formidable...
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Teslag said:

And I'm not trying to shill for Biden. Just pointing out that Trump wouldn't have done more than Biden has as far as confronting Russia goes.


Deterrence vs retaliation. Not sure you can predict the outcome. The whole premise of deterrence is to do less flexing.
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So, wait, Tucker is gonna release an interview with Snowden now?
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After watching the Putin, and then watching President Biden, I can honestly say if I had to choose I'd much rather have Putin as my President than Biden. It isn't even close.
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Mike Hancho said:

That's not true, this is my only username
That's always Hedge's first answer when he finally replies to that direct question.

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Mike Hancho said:

https://meduza.io/amp/en/news/2024/02/04/american-political-commentator-tucker-carlson-spotted-attending-ballet-in-moscow

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/tucker-carlson-reportedly-spotted-in-moscow-as-fans-speculate-interview-with-putin/amp/

Disgusting traitor, throw him in ADX Florence with our Russian FBI double agent.

You listen or support this clown you're being fooled
I think you and your blue star friends might be the progressive clowns. I don't need Tucker or you to tell me how to think but I will listen to and read a multitude of different perspectives. Most rational people do their own research to form an opinion. Tucker sometimes speaks the truth but to call him a traitor is absurd.
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NicosMachine said:

After watching the Putin, and then watching President Biden, I can honestly say if I had to choose I'd much rather have Putin as my President than Biden. It isn't even close.
Both have nefarious motivations...

But holy crap...Biden sure looks like a weak old man who doesn't even know what room he's in. Putin on the other hand is calculated, precise, knows what he wants to say, and understands his nation's history - his motivation is about Russia first and everyone else second. Biden on the other hand is being told by a bunch of fringe idiots what to do - in order to take our own country down a peg because they think it's unjust.

It's almost like our current leaders view our own country in the same way Putin views Poland and other countries that have 'wronged' Russia.

Talk about a horrible scenario on the world scale.

The only silver lining here is Putin's military is far weakened from what the Soviets and Russia had decades ago...and despite a weakling in office with people around him trying to create a limp-wristed military - the U.S. still has an incredible military with a lot of capabilities. For now.
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holy **** that is amazing.
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Gigem314 said:

NicosMachine said:

After watching the Putin, and then watching President Biden, I can honestly say if I had to choose I'd much rather have Putin as my President than Biden. It isn't even close.
Both have nefarious motivations...

But holy crap...Biden sure looks like a weak old man who doesn't even know what room he's in. Putin on the other hand is calculated, precise, knows what he wants to say, and understands his nation's history - his motivation is about Russia first and everyone else second. Biden on the other hand is being told by a bunch of fringe idiots what to do - in order to take our own country down a peg because they think it's unjust.

It's almost like our current leaders view our own country in the same way Putin views Poland and other countries that have 'wronged' Russia.

Talk about a horrible scenario on the world scale.

The only silver lining here is Putin's military is far weakened from what the Soviets and Russia had decades ago...and despite a weakling in office with people around him trying to create a limp-wristed military - the U.S. still has an incredible military with a lot of capabilities. For now.

Biden doesn't "look lie" a weak old man; he is a feeble, addle brained, low IQ old man with Alzheimer's. He has no business giving orders to our military.
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Listen to the Carlson:Putin interview beginning about 1:27:20, when Tucker brings up the U.S. Dollar. Interesting how all this may impact cryptocurrency generally, and Bitcoin specifically.

People should be focusing more on the economic issues raised in the interview.

https://coinchapter.com/vladimir-putin-tucker-carlson-interview-bitcoin/
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Vladimir Putin Tucker Carlson Interview Leaves Bitcoin More Bullish Than Ever in 2024
By Anshuman Roy Feb. 10, 2024 10:13 am UTC, Updated: Feb. 10, 2024 10:13 am UTC

NOIDA (CoinChapter.com) The Vladimir Putin Tucker Carlson interview stirred significant interest in the financial markets, particularly regarding the future of Bitcoin (BTC). Putin's statements in the interview could turn out extremely bullish for Bitcoin prices.

Financial institutions and analysts might speculate a bullish trend for Bitcoin in 2024, emphasizing the strategic shift towards decentralized assets amidst global uncertainties.

The Dollar's Global Standing Questioned in the Vladimir Putin Tucker Carlson Interview
Vladimir Putin's critical perspective on the US dollar, as highlighted in the Tucker Carlson interview, underscores the potential for decentralized assets like Bitcoin to gain traction.

Putin argued that the dollar is a cornerstone of the US's power. As such, decisions to restrict transactions and freeze assets in dollars damage the US economy and undermine its power globally.....
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Furthermore, Putin noted that even US allies are reducing their dollar reserves due to the government's actions. Additionally, Moscow is shifting its trade transactions away from the US dollar......

https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/02/09/biden-is-killing-the-us-dollar-putin-issues-serious-34-trillion-warning-as-the-bitcoin-price-surges/?sh=767b980bc082
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Biden Is 'Killing' The U.S. DollarPutin Issues Serious $34 Trillion Warning As The Bitcoin Price Surges
Byu Billy Bambrough Senior Contributor (I write about how bitcoin, crypto and blockchain can change the world.)
Feb 9, 2024,06:45am ES

Russia's president Vladimir Putin has warned the Biden administration is "killing [the dollar] with its own hands" by turning the currency into a weapon of foreign policy in his closely-watched interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

Putin called it "one of the biggest strategic mistakes made by the White House," in the wide-ranging 2-hour conversation that covered Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the future of artificial intelligence (just a week after U.S. president Joe Biden's administration declared a crypto "emergency").

After the 2022 bitcoin price crash, the cryptocurrency has roared back, fueling bets among its biggest supporters that it's "bitcoin vs. the U.S. dollar.".....

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Moral High Horse said:

39 people star'd the op?


The entire Hillary/pee pee tape deal has caused just about every single leftist to automatically respond in a certain way since. Almost like they're programmed or something. It's super weird watching actual intelligent people fall into it.
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Old McDonald said:

tucker is not a traitorous scumbag, he's just a useful idiot advancing the cause of our foreign enemies because he needs to farm ever bigger outrages to maintain relevance ever since fox deplatformed him


Is everyone on the left really this…simple now?

No (actual) journalist in the world would turn this down. Somehow it wasn't a problem when a long list of liberal journos interviewed him over the years.
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K2-HMFIC said:

NicosMachine said:

K2-HMFIC said:

NicosMachine said:

LMCane said:

Putin is a war criminal and an enemy of the United States.

Would we be happy about interviewing Adolf Hitler in 1943 to hear his views of the world? Would we have wanted to have King George III give interviews to Americans in 1778?

it comes down to do you support distributing enemy propaganda during a time of war.

I'm not saying it's immoral- but it is certainly not something to be celebrated.

so many of you are such inflexible ideologues that you will justify the dumbest ideas as long as you think it "hurts" the left.

all the while using leftist tactics. I certainly have no interest in anything Bin Laden had to say in 2003, (and now notice how American teens are praising Bin-Laden speeches!)

I have no interest in listening to the Mullahs in Iran, or Hamas, or Hizbullah, or Xi ShenPing, or Kim Jung Un.

but then that's because I am a patriotic American not interested in enemy propaganda against the United States.
Every American President since the outset of the 20th century has been accused of being a "war criminal". Most of us are smart enough to discern the truth. Thus, we are not afraid to hear opposing views regardless of how "horrendous" they may sound. Only someone without a sound, rational basis for their convictions is afraid to hear other people speak. You don't have to watch or listen if you don't believe you cannot discern truth from a lie or good from bad. Those who can defend their beliefs are no less patriotic but in fact more patriotic than someone who does not trust their fellow countrymen with information.
I remember when Biden/Nixon/Obama/Bush/Trump started lacing political rivals tea with polonium, or nerve gas, or defenestrated any journalist who said something critical.
You act like I'm defending Putin. That is a straw man. I'm defending free and open speech and exchange of ideas. You don't trust Americans to hear information but you seemingly believe the CIA developed and stockpiled poisons and the means to surreptitiously administer them but just "left it at that". Okie dokie comrade.
Why did Putin choose Tucker?



Hold on…aren't you constantly making fun of others for conspiracy theories?

Delicious.
 
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