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But the truth is, Russia wants to hurt American interests all around the world.

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As do we they. WE started this war in Ukraine by giving Putin and Russia no choice but to defend themselves. We made agreements with Russia that NATO would not expand Eastward in Europe, and broke those agreements...

• Wrong
• Fact-checking claims that NATO, US broke agreement against alliance expanding eastward
• Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No"

We've basically parked right on their doorstep...Russia honored the agreement and let territories like Ukraine, Crimea, etc become their own sovereign countries..

How would you feel if Russia and China parked Nukes in Mexico that could light up all of Texas in mere seconds with no warning?

I'm not saying Putin is a good human being, but we poked the bear, then we kept poking the bear because the bear did not react the first couple of times, and now we cry foul because the bear has finally reacted...To act like we did not play any role is just plain BS...It's like people back in the day acting shocked that the Native Americans finally United and kicked Custer's butt after our government broke so many treaties..

Our Presidents GW Bush, Obama, and now Biden just plain sucked and should have stayed away from Ukraine, and the rest of those formerly Soviet Union aligned territories.

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You need to do more research because you are parroting misinformation.

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why don't you debunk the points instead of just saying what talking head say on TV?

He went to a lot of trouble to make that post, and you just fart out some bs line you hear on cable news.

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Teslag said:

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Russia isn't moving right. They are simply advocating some things the right likes, while at the same time advancing leftist ideals on others.

They are not our friend. They do not like you or the liberal up the street. Never forget that. It's not like communism fell and who they are vanished. Much of communisms issues existed because it was an extension of Russian culture.

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I think China is a bigger threat, and that many Russians would like me and be my friend.
But not Chinese communists.

You keep expressing some kind of authoritative expertise. Constant repetition. It's getting old.

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I don't think that's really an either/or option. They're both threats, but in different ways.

And I think if you went to many of the rank and file people of most countries that are hostile to us, you'd find they don't hate us, but are stuck because of their oppressive governments...

Tucker in Moscow and the very day his interview comes out Zelensky puts an actual Russian in charge of the Ukrainian military. Coincidence?

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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Teslag said:

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Russia isn't moving right. They are simply advocating some things the right likes, while at the same time advancing leftist ideals on others.

They are not our friend. They do not like you or the liberal up the street. Never forget that. It's not like communism fell and who they are vanished. Much of communisms issues existed because it was an extension of Russian culture.

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I think China is a bigger threat, and that many Russians would like me and be my friend.
But not Chinese communists.

You keep expressing some kind of authoritative expertise. Constant repetition. It's getting old.

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I don't think that's really an either/or option. They're both threats, but in different ways.

And I think if you went to many of the rank and file people of most countries that are hostile to us, you'd find they don't hate us, but are stuck because of their oppressive governments...

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I appreciate that. The differences are the countries themselves with one fighting for their autonomy against an encroaching alliance and having little reach that effects you and me, and the other working with both gain of function viruses, censorship and our education system. So one of them wants under my skin, and the other would like to see their economy grow to the size of california's.

also I'm Christian. there's bias there in my pov. to be transparent

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…,,,(omitted to save space)
A travel ban? Reallyj?
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Fascists and totalitarians cannot handle free expression. They try to harm, damage, or imprison those who do not toe the party line.

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Europe has never embraced free expression do the degree we have here. It's almost a uniquely American concept

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Unfortunately, the Democratic Party leadership is getting more aggressive in their attempts to limit free speech.
(ie: ex FBI teams paid by social media to limit speech and ban posters, direct contacts with CDC w/ social media to ban free speech) Under the Democratic Party leadership we are falling into the same trap that the EU has been under.

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I, for one, am excited to see and hear Putin uncensored and unfiltered. Hopefully Tucker will ask why he invaded Ukraine, what are his objectives, and what will it take, in Putin's opinion, to end the war. What would it take for the U.S. and Russia to become economic and political allies? We have a lot more in common now that the Dems have taken us down a socialist/totalitarian path while Russia has emerged from the Communist path. Maybe we are meeting in the middle.

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Done correctly it would expose many of the lies Putin has made that are verifiable and known. Putin in the past has stated his desire to reform the Soviet Union.

The histrionics from libs and journalists on this is absolutely pathetic (and funny).

What rarely gets discussed is the logic of this belief that we have the obligation to let every Tom and Harry off the street into NATO. Of course all these countries want to join NATO. Their main concern is self-preservation and nothing's better than the US bankrolling your defense. I don't blame them. How is that a better deal for us though? We defeated the significantly more formidable Soviet Union with a smaller alliance. Without a hot war too.

I hope this ideology that the US is the arbiter of good in every corner of the globe comes to an end. Europe is more than capable of handling Russia if it ever came to that. They couldn't handle the Soviet Union. We can get involved in the preposterous scenario of Russia threatening to conquer our friends in Western Europe.

You would think there'd be more self-reflection after our foreign policy debacles of the past decades. Yes, we still have it good here comparatively. It's also true that it was much better before we started getting involved in all these conflicts. None of which were an existential threat to us.

Education, cost of living, political polarization, social mobility and the divide between rich and poor have all worsened as a result of the prioritization and spending. I'm not saying it's solely from that, it's certainly played an outsized role. Current domestic issues are the existential threats to our way of life today and we created it. Same with the rise of a true peer rival in China by making them wealthy in hopes of instigating political change.

I have trouble understanding those that are more invested in largely irrelevant foreign countries, rather than their own neighbors. IMO that's the reality and choice with a $30+ trillion deficit. Screw Russia, but we have to pick and choose. It's fine to subscribe to the expansionist NATO camp, I disagree, but at least own it. Don't portray NATO expansion as absolutely necessary and Ukraine the unavoidable victim. Nothing occurs in a vacuum and every action has tradeoffs.

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No Spin Ag said:

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I'm sure there are plenty of individuals Russian citizens who would be friends with an LGBTQXYZ liberal. That doesn't mean the government as a whole is all of a sudden this bastion of goodness and light for all.

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I don't blame those liberals for being scared of Russia. But they shouldn't be, because Russia is so far away and they don't have the economic and technical reach and modus operandi, that communist China has.
Communist China wants you gay and confused, fully surveilled, wallowing in cognitive dissonance. IMO
They don't love you IMO

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Neither government loves me, and that's fine.

What isn't fine, much less justified, is the deaths and destruction Putin has brought upon the people of Ukraine. At no fault of their own at that.

He has, but us provoking him and him having a desire to reclaim the old Soviet Empire are not mutually exclusive.

Not the fault of the Ukrainian people, but the government isn't innocent.

Also, our funding of this is what led to the death and destruction of so many people. We should never have been involved except the Ukrainian govt and our politicians are in bed together and we HAD to or else risk exposure.

If our position remained neutral. We're not involved, Ukraine isn't joining NATO, we're not moving military equipment into the area, and you (Putin) don't break your end of the agreement then it's much harder for Russia to justify invasion of Ukraine.

Edit to add: But we (the USA government) wanted this to happen. This is the best of both worlds for our MIC. They don't have to deal with the backlash of killing our young American soldiers, and they get to make billions.

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The Russians will use accurate and inaccurate information in whatever ways they need to advance Russian interests. They want nothing good for any of us, left or right.

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You are carrying water for the lying left one world government socialists. I don't know how much truth or lies we will get from Putin but anyone who still supports our lying federal government is nothing but a useful idiot. That fact is becoming more evident every day!

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Here's the deal.

Everything I know about Putin I've been told by the American media that I know, for a fact, lies to me all the time.

And, while I don't know whether Putin is good, evil or somewhere in-between, I KNOW that for the most part, our federal government leans "evil/stupid" and won't tell us the truth regardless.

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You don't know whether Putin leans is good or bad? You don't have to take our governments word for it, just ask .....ANY other country in the free world. Pretty sure the assassination's of political rivals, journalists etc should be a clue...and that's not even our government telling us...

Trump likes Putin so maybe some people have a type.

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Seamaster said:

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Teslag said:

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The Russians will use accurate and inaccurate information in whatever ways they need to advance Russian interests. They want nothing good for any of us, left or right.

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You are carrying water for the lying left one world government socialists. I don't know how much truth or lies we will get from Putin but anyone who still supports our lying federal government is nothing but a useful idiot. That fact is becoming more evident every day!

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Here's the deal.

Everything I know about Putin I've been told by the American media that I know, for a fact, lies to me all the time.

And, while I don't know whether Putin is good, evil or somewhere in-between, I KNOW that for the most part, our federal government leans "evil/stupid" and won't tell us the truth regardless.

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You don't know whether Putin leans is good or bad? You don't have to take our governments word for it, just ask .....ANY other country in the free world. Pretty sure the assassination's of political rivals, journalists etc should be a clue...and that's not even our government telling us...

Trump likes Putin so maybe some people have a type.

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Zelensky imprisoned and tortured a Chilean American journalist and he died of pneumonia in custody like 3 weeks ago.

Not our circus, not our monkeys.

We dont owe them ***** Uniparty just couldnt wait to flush Trump out with a highly questionable election so they could turn their money laundering spigot back on, and you all are cheering them on. They impeached him for asking about it.

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The Russians will use accurate and inaccurate information in whatever ways they need to advance Russian interests. They want nothing good for any of us, left or right.

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You are carrying water for the lying left one world government socialists. I don't know how much truth or lies we will get from Putin but anyone who still supports our lying federal government is nothing but a useful idiot. That fact is becoming more evident every day!

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Here's the deal.

Everything I know about Putin I've been told by the American media that I know, for a fact, lies to me all the time.

And, while I don't know whether Putin is good, evil or somewhere in-between, I KNOW that for the most part, our federal government leans "evil/stupid" and won't tell us the truth regardless.

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You don't know whether Putin leans is good or bad? You don't have to take our governments word for it, just ask .....ANY other country in the free world. Pretty sure the assassination's of political rivals, journalists etc should be a clue...and that's not even our government telling us...

Trump likes Putin so maybe some people have a type.

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The same thought leaders tell me that Zelenskyy and his regime is basically Winston Churchill and Jesus wrapped into one yet Zelenskyy is persecuting Christian churches and killing American journalists…

from one standpoint (mine) I see Putin calling out spiritual wickedness taking place in my own country, and I see the Chinese government fanning the flames of depravity and confusion in my own country while banning it in their own.
point putin?

Not sure, but I don't think the Chinese communist government loves our kids.

Mike Hancho said:

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https://meduza.io/amp/en/news/2024/02/04/american-political-commentator-tucker-carlson-spotted-attending-ballet-in-moscow

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/tucker-carlson-reportedly-spotted-in-moscow-as-fans-speculate-interview-with-putin/amp/

Disgusting traitor, throw him in ADX Florence with our Russian FBI double agent.

You listen or support this clown you're being fooled

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Curious ... what was your username before January 18?

Why is he a traitor? He should be throw in maximum security prison for what crime?

Did you think Barbara Walters should have been jailed for interviewing Putin 20 or so years ago?

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Not the fault of the Ukrainian people, but the government isn't innocent.

Also, our funding of this is what led to the death and destruction of so many people. We should never have been involved except the Ukrainian govt and our politicians are in bed together and we HAD or else risk exposure.

If our position remained neutral. We're not involved, Ukraine isn't joining NATO, we're not moving military equipment into the area, and you (Putin) don't break your end of the agreement then it's much harder for Russia to justify invasion of Ukraine.

Edit to add: But we (the USA government) wanted this to happen. This is the best of both worlds for our MIC. They don't have to deal with the backlash of killing our young American soldiers, and they get to make billions.

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I see what you're saying.

Putin didn't have a gun to his head that forced him to invade though. He didn't have to but he did anyway. Finding excuses or reasons doesn't change the fact that he didn't have to invade.

Putin is a maniac killer. So is Justin Trudeau's father...Fidel Castro. That doesn't mean that a journalist can't interview them. I mean Barbara Walters was never given any crap for this interview!!!! She was heralded as brave. #TuckerInRussia #TuckerPutin#TuckerCarlson pic.twitter.com/sFAvpAhvgH

— Curtis Fernheiser III (@CurtFernheiser) February 8, 2024

What could possibly be different?

For sure... But it justified what he's publicly stated that he wants... to retake Ukraine and the old Soviet

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Not the fault of the Ukrainian people, but the government isn't innocent.

Also, our funding of this is what led to the death and destruction of so many people. We should never have been involved except the Ukrainian govt and our politicians are in bed together and we HAD to or else risk exposure.

If our position remained neutral. We're not involved, Ukraine isn't joining NATO, we're not moving military equipment into the area, and you (Putin) don't break your end of the agreement then it's much harder for Russia to justify invasion of Ukraine.

Edit to add: But we (the USA government) wanted this to happen. This is the best of both worlds for our MIC. They don't have to deal with the backlash of killing our young American soldiers, and they get to make billions.

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Putin still invades regardless because he wants Ukraine to be a part of Russia.

And remember we didn't start really kicking billions to Ukraine until well after the invasion started. We pretty much assumed Russia would roll them. But the Ukrainians had other ideas and when they showed how badly they didn't want to be Russians we started giving them more tools to fight back

Except he never did... until then.

See, that's the argument that keeps getting made, but he didn't for decades. he took Crimea in 2014 under Obama.

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Except he never did... until then.

See, that's the argument that keeps getting made, but he didn't for decades. he took Crimea in 2014 under Obama.

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But if you read Putin history he's always lamented letting Ukraine go. He has believed and still believes that Ukraine is a part of Russia and should be a part of Russia. The timing isn't really important. He was going to eventually put that plan in place.

OP's post

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For sure... But it justified what he's publicly stated that he wants... to retake Ukraine and the old Soviet

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In his mind, for his legacy, I definitely get. Doesn't make it right.

Good discussion. See you in another thread.

That's what I said. He's always wanted Ukraine back... He needed the excuse and we gave it to him.

https://tuckercarlson.com/the-vladimir-putin-interview/

Ep. 73 The Vladimir Putin Interview pic.twitter.com/67YuZRkfLL

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) February 8, 2024

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That's what I said. He's always wanted Ukraine back... He needed the excuse and we gave it to him.

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So if you know it's a BS excuse don't repeat it.

We gave him the justification he needed. That's not a BS excuse.

There are tons of things you want or want to do, but you cant justify it just yet... until you get that justification. You hate your job, but you can't justify quitting until your boss says that one thing that sets you off. Or until you secure that new job, or whatever...

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Except he never did... until then.

See, that's the argument that keeps getting made, but he didn't for decades. he took Crimea in 2014 under Obama.

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But if you read Putin history he's always lamented letting Ukraine go. He has believed and still believes that Ukraine is a part of Russia and should be a part of Russia. The timing isn't really important. He was going to eventually put that plan in place.

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The timing is absolutely important. He waited until the U.S. had its weakest leader since Carter.

I watched it, what a farce

Mike Hancho said:

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I watched it, what a farce

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Hedge, we know you already decided before you ever watched it, if you even did.

Mike Hancho said:

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I watched it, what a farce

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Curious ... what was your username before January 18?

Why is he a traitor? He should be throw in maximum security prison for what crime?

Did you think Barbara Walters should have been jailed for interviewing Putin 20 or so years ago?