Russia would continue its attacks with a Ukrainian surrender?Teslag said:
I would actually be fine with a negotiated peace along current lines. But Russia wouldn't.
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Gilligan said:I agree, but I don't think we're going to hear anything different than we already have.Rockdoc said:
I'm not scared to hear Tucker's interview with Putin. We've certainly heard Ukraines side over and over and sent them a crap pile of money. I certainly don't trust Putin but want to hear what he has to say. I'm not certain on who to trust over there. It doesn't seem we can trust anyone here, especially the media.
1. NATO Expansion
2. Safety for Russians living in Ukraine (annexed areas)
3. De-militarization of Ukraine
4. De-nazify Ukraine
5. LBGTQZ
6. Biolabs / Mutant Soldiers
I am sure I am missing a few.
If the interview happens and the interview gets aired, I am sure the questions and answers will all be scripted to paint Putin and Russia in the best possible light.
Let's see how it goes.
If it is, it'll be easy enough to tell. And if Tucker does that he'd be finished. I'd be surprised though. He's gonna have to walk a fine line.
Old McDonald said:no need, he's been working for putin for free for years already74OA said:
When I first read Tucker had an interview with Putin, I assumed it was a job interview.
So was 60 Minutes with Bin Laden prior to 9/11, but I am sure you see that as hardcore investigative journalism.
Maybe Carlson will ask Putin those types of questions. Actually put him on the spot. Maybe not. Either way, an unedited interview will be interesting and can't hurt to watch.Teslag said:
I would actually be fine with a negotiated peace along current lines. But Russia wouldn't.
The USA doesn't have the moral high ground, and Putin doesn't need the moral high-ground. All Putin needs to do anytime he gets a tough question, from Carlson or any journalist from the USA, is spit back truth about our politicians and our foreign policy.
The only difference is that Tucker would air it, and the establishment would censor it from the American people.
I'm okay with the airing because I want us to change, so that we actually have the moral high ground.
The only difference is that Tucker would air it, and the establishment would censor it from the American people.
I'm okay with the airing because I want us to change, so that we actually have the moral high ground.
Old McDonald said:no need, he's been working for putin for free for years already74OA said:
When I first read Tucker had an interview with Putin, I assumed it was a job interview.
Why don't you troll elsewhere. You bias is getting stale.
Funky Winkerbean said:Russia would continue its attacks with a Ukrainian surrender?Teslag said:
I would actually be fine with a negotiated peace along current lines. But Russia wouldn't.
Clarify
Texas velvet maestro said:
The USA doesn't have the moral high ground, and Putin doesn't need the moral high-ground. All Putin needs to do anytime he gets a tough question, from Carlson or any journalist from the USA, is spit back truth about our politicians and our foreign policy.
The only difference is that Tucker would air it, and the establishment would censor it from the American people.
I'm okay with that because I want us to change, so that we actually have the moral high ground.
When was the last time we launched an invasion against a peaceful neighbor with the sole intent to take their land as our own?
More like, taking up space in your head for free all those years.Old McDonald said:no need, he's been working for putin for free for years already74OA said:
When I first read Tucker had an interview with Putin, I assumed it was a job interview.
Tucker is likely getting a good laugh about the hoopla over this.
ETA:
Why do you have such a limited view as to not know other countries aren't like us?Teslag said:Texas velvet maestro said:
The USA doesn't have the moral high ground, and Putin doesn't need the moral high-ground. All Putin needs to do anytime he gets a tough question, from Carlson or any journalist from the USA, is spit back truth about our politicians and our foreign policy.
The only difference is that Tucker would air it, and the establishment would censor it from the American people.
I'm okay with that because I want us to change, so that we actually have the moral high ground.
When was the last time we launched an invasion against a peaceful neighbor with the sole intent to take their land as our own?
How many countries tax there people and then give it to other countries?
I think that's what Tucker will be going for...putting Putin in a position to tell us how weak our current leadership is and how little respect Russia has for it. Putin will be calculated in his answers of course, but the tone will be apparent.Texas velvet maestro said:
The USA doesn't have the moral high ground, and Putin doesn't need the moral high-ground. All Putin needs to do anytime he gets a tough question, from Carlson or any journalist from the USA, is spit back truth about our politicians and our foreign policy.
There's a reason you won't see most American media trying so hard to get Russia or China on record of what they think of the United States - because it will make the Biden Administration look weak or incompetent.
First, I take issue with "sole intent." Just because you say it with conviction doesn't make that so. Then there's the "peaceful neighbor." lol.Teslag said:Texas velvet maestro said:
The USA doesn't have the moral high ground, and Putin doesn't need the moral high-ground. All Putin needs to do anytime he gets a tough question, from Carlson or any journalist from the USA, is spit back truth about our politicians and our foreign policy.
The only difference is that Tucker would air it, and the establishment would censor it from the American people.
I'm okay with that because I want us to change, so that we actually have the moral high ground.
When was the last time we launched an invasion against a peaceful neighbor with the sole intent to take their land as our own?
We foment revolutions, when it shakes out we have a friendly dictator. Then to prove the friendship, we put in a military base. And we have no responsibility for the welfare of that country's people afterwards. We just take care of the leadership. At least in a land grab you are now overseeing a new population, and you must do something with them. bear some responsibility.
I'm not even necessarily against our brand of imperialism. But as a nation, we are no longer being made stronger by it. The wealth isn't trickling down any more.
that you felt the need to qualify this indicates you know it's a bad analogyMelvinUdall said:Old McDonald said:no need, he's been working for putin for free for years already74OA said:
When I first read Tucker had an interview with Putin, I assumed it was a job interview.
So was 60 Minutes with Bin Laden prior to 9/11, but I am sure you see that as hardcore investigative journalism.
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At least in a land grab you are now overseeing a new population, and you must do something with them. bear some responsibility.
Ukraine is well aware of Russian "responsibility" to its citizens. Which is why they want no part of it.
This thread is so unbelievably eye opening. Liberals cannot and will not think for themselves. They just will not do it. Absolutely refuse. They are nothing but sponges who soak up whatever mainstream media tells them to think and refuse to ever question what they are being told. MSM propaganda is gospel to the left and cannot (and will not) be questioned. Under any circumstances. I cannot imagine living life like this. Not being capable of independent thought and WHOLLY dependent on someone else to create my opinions. Look at the vitriol leveled in this thread at someone who simply wants to question the mainstream media. "TREASON!!" "EXECUTE HIM" "PUTIN PUPPET!!!!" It's as if their lord and savior is being crucified and they cannot handle it.
MSM - "By the way, boys can get pregnant now".
Liberals - "Ok".
MSM - "By the way, boys can get pregnant now".
Liberals - "Ok".
without US support Ukraine would already be part of Russia. I understand the objections to sending more money to Ukraine but it is absolutely in Putin's best interest for Ukraine funding to lose support in the US. And Tucker has been vocal about that.Teslag said:
Putin doesn't care if Biden was president. Or if Trump was president. Or if you and I were president. He wanted Ukraine and was going to simply take it. That is until he miscalculated Ukraines will to not be Russians.
And that's when the world said **** it and pitched in.
Teslag said:Texas velvet maestro said:
The USA doesn't have the moral high ground, and Putin doesn't need the moral high-ground. All Putin needs to do anytime he gets a tough question, from Carlson or any journalist from the USA, is spit back truth about our politicians and our foreign policy.
The only difference is that Tucker would air it, and the establishment would censor it from the American people.
I'm okay with that because I want us to change, so that we actually have the moral high ground.
When was the last time we launched an invasion against a peaceful neighbor with the sole intent to take their land as our own?
We don't do that, we just take it under the guise of "Hi, we are the United States government, and we are here to help." We try to look like the good guy even when sometimes we are just the shady slick used car salesman.
You think the USA would be all up in Ukraine's business even before this war, if they didn't think at some point that Ukraine wasn't going to open up their land/ resources to be sold to us or our Allies in Europe? We were trying to do the same crap Russia is doing; except, we were being nicer about it, but at the same time strong arming their country in return for our help...
Old McDonald said:that you felt the need to qualify this indicates you know it's a bad analogyMelvinUdall said:Old McDonald said:no need, he's been working for putin for free for years already74OA said:
When I first read Tucker had an interview with Putin, I assumed it was a job interview.
So was 60 Minutes with Bin Laden prior to 9/11, but I am sure you see that as hardcore investigative journalism.
No, it is an example…again, unlike you, I don't care if it is Tucker, Bill Maher, Joy Reid, etc., it doesn't move the needle for me, and I am 50…based on previous posts by you, I know you are even older, why the F do you care? I have 3 18+ year old daughters…this interview has no impact on them…Russia/Ukraine has no impact on them…this interview doesn't even show up on the radar for them…but yet, you are here, acting like chicken little as if the sky is falling…I would say grow up, but you are who you are…we are literally arguing over an interview.
I'm sure you think it was just some weird terrorist that blew up nordstream too.K2-HMFIC said:It's interesting, at least in a horrifying way, to watch perfectly rational people fall victim to conspiracies because they want it to fit their world view.nortex97 said:Biden backs the list. pic.twitter.com/aUlGoWRfcD
— Mask Of Duality (@Maskofduality) February 7, 2024
Note that the CIA's involvement is not really a deep secret, either. Crude explanation (sorry, I don't have time right now) goes back through Operation Butterfly/maidan etc:Here's their link (caution/gross): https://myrotvorets.center/Quote:
Q: Last question: why "Butterfly"?
A: The site's logo features a butterfly known as the "deadhead hawk". In Latin, it has the name Acherontia atropos, where the first word comes from the name of the river in the realm of the dead in ancient Greek mythology, and the second is the name of the goddess of fate, who cuts the thread of human life. This symbolism should remind the enemies of Ukraine that their fate currently hangs on a very thin thread, and we will do everything to break this thread.
In late 2014 another associated site - Operativ.info - was in action calling for information about saboteurs and terrorists and threatening that if disinformation was detected, they would "regard these actions as assistance to terrorists and take measures against disinformers". Revealingly the Operativ.info site waslabeled as a project of InformNapalm at this stage.
Myrotvorets lists thousands of "saboteurs", "separatists", "terrorists" and "traitors". Sometimes, it has crossed out their photographs once they had been killed, with the label "liquidated". This, for instance, happened after the murder of Daria Dugina in Moscow in August 2022. Today the Myrotvorets site houses links to two other domains which appear to be integral parts of the operation. One - ordilo.org- is titled "STORAGE OF INFORMATION ABOUT CRIMES AGAINST UKRAINE". The other - identigraf.center - allows various categories of users to submit images of individuals for facial recognition scanning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets
Notice the Langley Virginia location.
Short answer: the idea that the CIA is running assassination operations on Tucker Carlson is so ludicrous it's beyond absurd.
NORD STREAM ATTACK UPDATE: Earlier today Sweden announced that it was ending it’s investigation into the Nord Stream attack. This announcement occurred just two days after the U.S. pressured Hungary to ratify Sweden's entry into NATO. Prime Minister Viktor Orban now says his… pic.twitter.com/jB7eI5A3Kr
— @amuse (@amuse) February 7, 2024
Spoiler alert ('conspiracy theorist): it wasn't.
I doubt you had an opinion about Ukraine 10 years ago. Now your opinions about both Russia and Ukraine just happens to perfectly align with the mainstream media's. Ukraine was/is still, the most corrupt country in Europe, and there is a powerful presence of Bandera nazis, (funded by us and our allies) who hate russia. Things don't happen in Ukraine without these nazis profiting.Teslag said:Quote:
At least in a land grab you are now overseeing a new population, and you must do something with them. bear some responsibility.
Ukraine is well aware of Russian "responsibility" to its citizens. Which is why they want no part of it.
Watch Yevhen Karas the leader of Ukraine's neo-Nazi terror gang C14's speech from Kiev earlier this month. Straight from the horses' mouth, he dispels the many narratives pushed by the left, the mainstream media and the State Department. pic.twitter.com/VWJqWPUGUp
— Alex Rubinstein (@RealAlexRubi) February 27, 2022
And what is our interest in funding it? What's our upside?barbacoa taco said:without US support Ukraine would already be part of Russia. I understand the objections to sending more money to Ukraine but it is absolutely in Putin's best interest for Ukraine funding to lose support in the US. And Tucker has been vocal about that.Teslag said:
Putin doesn't care if Biden was president. Or if Trump was president. Or if you and I were president. He wanted Ukraine and was going to simply take it. That is until he miscalculated Ukraines will to not be Russians.
And that's when the world said **** it and pitched in.
My interest was piqued during the Manafort Mueller indictment. Went down some pretty deep rabbit holes about Manafort and Yanukovych in Ukraine, the Maidan "Revolution" and the ouster of Yanukovych.
Soo much cronyism, oligarchs determine who wins and who runs the country, to the point that the people named to root out and fight corruption are themselves on the take. Except for one. Shokin did not become uber wealthy while he was the Prosecutor General. He could not be bought.
And that was why he needed to go and Biden dutifully made that happen.
Soo much cronyism, oligarchs determine who wins and who runs the country, to the point that the people named to root out and fight corruption are themselves on the take. Except for one. Shokin did not become uber wealthy while he was the Prosecutor General. He could not be bought.
And that was why he needed to go and Biden dutifully made that happen.
nortex97 said:I'm sure you think it was just some weird terrorist that blew up nordstream too.K2-HMFIC said:It's interesting, at least in a horrifying way, to watch perfectly rational people fall victim to conspiracies because they want it to fit their world view.nortex97 said:Biden backs the list. pic.twitter.com/aUlGoWRfcD
— Mask Of Duality (@Maskofduality) February 7, 2024
Note that the CIA's involvement is not really a deep secret, either. Crude explanation (sorry, I don't have time right now) goes back through Operation Butterfly/maidan etc:Here's their link (caution/gross): https://myrotvorets.center/Quote:
Q: Last question: why "Butterfly"?
A: The site's logo features a butterfly known as the "deadhead hawk". In Latin, it has the name Acherontia atropos, where the first word comes from the name of the river in the realm of the dead in ancient Greek mythology, and the second is the name of the goddess of fate, who cuts the thread of human life. This symbolism should remind the enemies of Ukraine that their fate currently hangs on a very thin thread, and we will do everything to break this thread.
In late 2014 another associated site - Operativ.info - was in action calling for information about saboteurs and terrorists and threatening that if disinformation was detected, they would "regard these actions as assistance to terrorists and take measures against disinformers". Revealingly the Operativ.info site waslabeled as a project of InformNapalm at this stage.
Myrotvorets lists thousands of "saboteurs", "separatists", "terrorists" and "traitors". Sometimes, it has crossed out their photographs once they had been killed, with the label "liquidated". This, for instance, happened after the murder of Daria Dugina in Moscow in August 2022. Today the Myrotvorets site houses links to two other domains which appear to be integral parts of the operation. One - ordilo.org- is titled "STORAGE OF INFORMATION ABOUT CRIMES AGAINST UKRAINE". The other - identigraf.center - allows various categories of users to submit images of individuals for facial recognition scanning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets
Notice the Langley Virginia location.
Short answer: the idea that the CIA is running assassination operations on Tucker Carlson is so ludicrous it's beyond absurd.NORD STREAM ATTACK UPDATE: Earlier today Sweden announced that it was ending it’s investigation into the Nord Stream attack. This announcement occurred just two days after the U.S. pressured Hungary to ratify Sweden's entry into NATO. Prime Minister Viktor Orban now says his… pic.twitter.com/jB7eI5A3Kr
— @amuse (@amuse) February 7, 2024
Spoiler alert ('conspiracy theorist): it wasn't.
And here comes the Russian Twitter bot "sources"
suburban cowboy said:K2-HMFIC said:It's interesting, at least in a horrifying way, to watch perfectly rational people fall victim to conspiracies because they want it to fit their world view.nortex97 said:Biden backs the list. pic.twitter.com/aUlGoWRfcD
— Mask Of Duality (@Maskofduality) February 7, 2024
Note that the CIA's involvement is not really a deep secret, either. Crude explanation (sorry, I don't have time right now) goes back through Operation Butterfly/maidan etc:Here's their link (caution/gross): https://myrotvorets.center/Quote:
Q: Last question: why "Butterfly"?
A: The site's logo features a butterfly known as the "deadhead hawk". In Latin, it has the name Acherontia atropos, where the first word comes from the name of the river in the realm of the dead in ancient Greek mythology, and the second is the name of the goddess of fate, who cuts the thread of human life. This symbolism should remind the enemies of Ukraine that their fate currently hangs on a very thin thread, and we will do everything to break this thread.
In late 2014 another associated site - Operativ.info - was in action calling for information about saboteurs and terrorists and threatening that if disinformation was detected, they would "regard these actions as assistance to terrorists and take measures against disinformers". Revealingly the Operativ.info site waslabeled as a project of InformNapalm at this stage.
Myrotvorets lists thousands of "saboteurs", "separatists", "terrorists" and "traitors". Sometimes, it has crossed out their photographs once they had been killed, with the label "liquidated". This, for instance, happened after the murder of Daria Dugina in Moscow in August 2022. Today the Myrotvorets site houses links to two other domains which appear to be integral parts of the operation. One - ordilo.org- is titled "STORAGE OF INFORMATION ABOUT CRIMES AGAINST UKRAINE". The other - identigraf.center - allows various categories of users to submit images of individuals for facial recognition scanning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets
Notice the Langley Virginia location.
Short answer: the idea that the CIA is running assassination operations on Tucker Carlson is so ludicrous it's beyond absurd.
You seem like the triple vaxxed and boosted type
Hey look! A non sequitur.
I live in the real world where intelligence authorities are so damn lawyered up, you can take a crap on an op, without one approving it.
Do I think the Ukrainians might have blown that up? Sure.
You don't have to look far across Russia to see Ukrainian saboteurs making Russia's life difficult.
You don't have to look far across Russia to see Ukrainian saboteurs making Russia's life difficult.
Ukraine doesn't have the specialists (or navy) to pull that off.
Teslag said:
And here comes the Russian Twitter bot "sources"
Texas velvet maestro said:Teslag said:
And here comes the Russian Twitter bot "sources"
What does this have to do with Amuse being a pro Russian Twitter account?
You know this how?
my first media was from twitter, you ignored it but I thought you may have also been discrediting it as a russian bot.Teslag said:
What does this have to do with Amuse being a pro Russian Twitter account?
Or, I was just intending to further support my response to your comment that the war in ukraine is nothing but a land grab in a peaceful nation. that's simplistic.
also, Free Tucker Carlson
Have you looked at their navy? Underwater demolition isn't simple/easy, especially at that depth. It's tremendously surveilled/monitored water too. In all seriousness, it's fascinating the significant powers have…known who did this, when, quickly, but are calling off investigations publicly even now so it isn't revealed.K2-HMFIC said:
You know this how?
Check the link, or others, if you suspect some squad of 'Ukrainian saboteurs' could have pulled that off. Didn't happen.
nortex97 said:Have you looked at their navy? Underwater demolition isn't simple/easy, especially at that depth. It's tremendously surveilled/monitored water too. In all seriousness, it's fascinating the significant powers have…known who did this, when, quickly, but are calling off investigations publicly even now so it isn't revealed.K2-HMFIC said:
You know this how?
Check the link, or others, if you suspect some squad of 'Ukrainian saboteurs' could have pulled that off. Didn't happen.
You're assuming it was their Navy? Interesting.
Don't assume what I am assuming, it makes…K2-HMFIC said:You're assuming it was their Navy? Interesting.nortex97 said:Have you looked at their navy? Underwater demolition isn't simple/easy, especially at that depth. It's tremendously surveilled/monitored water too. In all seriousness, it's fascinating the significant powers have…known who did this, when, quickly, but are calling off investigations publicly even now so it isn't revealed.K2-HMFIC said:
You know this how?
Check the link, or others, if you suspect some squad of 'Ukrainian saboteurs' could have pulled that off. Didn't happen.
But by all means, provide your homework reciprocally. What makes you suspicious it was Ukrainian saboteurs/terrorists? Surely it's not just a hunch/faith in media reporting.
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K2-HMFIC said:I remember when Biden/Nixon/Obama/Bush/Trump started lacing political rivals tea with polonium, or nerve gas, or defenestrated any journalist who said something critical.NicosMachine said:Every American President since the outset of the 20th century has been accused of being a "war criminal". Most of us are smart enough to discern the truth. Thus, we are not afraid to hear opposing views regardless of how "horrendous" they may sound. Only someone without a sound, rational basis for their convictions is afraid to hear other people speak. You don't have to watch or listen if you don't believe you cannot discern truth from a lie or good from bad. Those who can defend their beliefs are no less patriotic but in fact more patriotic than someone who does not trust their fellow countrymen with information.LMCane said:
Putin is a war criminal and an enemy of the United States.
Would we be happy about interviewing Adolf Hitler in 1943 to hear his views of the world? Would we have wanted to have King George III give interviews to Americans in 1778?
it comes down to do you support distributing enemy propaganda during a time of war.
I'm not saying it's immoral- but it is certainly not something to be celebrated.
so many of you are such inflexible ideologues that you will justify the dumbest ideas as long as you think it "hurts" the left.
all the while using leftist tactics. I certainly have no interest in anything Bin Laden had to say in 2003, (and now notice how American teens are praising Bin-Laden speeches!)
I have no interest in listening to the Mullahs in Iran, or Hamas, or Hizbullah, or Xi ShenPing, or Kim Jung Un.
but then that's because I am a patriotic American not interested in enemy propaganda against the United States.
Good thing you didn't include the Clintons in that group.
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