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Yeah, the EU is an absolutely fascist body when it comes to political speech/media:

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The Fourth Reich

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. WE started this war in Ukraine by giving Putin and Russia no choice but to defend themselves.

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Ya, Russia has always been a friendly neighbor going back 100 years. And then Ukraine did the unthinkable and tried to join a defensive alliance. Basically an equivalent to Pearl Harbor.


Get out of here with this nonsense

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You're missing the point. The point is we are trying to surround Russia with NATO countries right on their border when we made an agreement with them that we would not do that. Russia does not want Nukes or all kinds of other weapons parked and aimed at them right on their border. I don't blame them..

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The list of people within the government, within the natural security apparatus, who completely opposed NATO expansion is very impressive and long.

Robert McNamara (Sec. of Defense)
Robert Gates (Sec. of Defense)
William Perry (Sec. of Defense)
George Kennan (American diplomat)
William Burns (CIA Director)

They all opposed NATO expansion in the strongest possible language and all explicitly because this would provoke a conflict with Russia. There's this great interview that George Kennan gave with Thomas Friedman from the New York Times in the 90s when they were doing the first round of NATO expansion, and he is furious... What are you guys doing? We won the Cold War. Now, you are picking a fight with Russia?

Of course, we expand NATO and then make overtures to Ukraine and are "shocked" that Russia responded in the very way we all knew they would.

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. WE started this war in Ukraine by giving Putin and Russia no choice but to defend themselves.

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Ya, Russia has always been a friendly neighbor going back 100 years. And then Ukraine did the unthinkable and tried to join a defensive alliance. Basically an equivalent to Pearl Harbor.


Get out of here with this nonsense

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You're missing the point. The point is we are trying to surround Russia with NATO countries right on their border when we made an agreement with them that we would not do that. Russia does not want Nukes or all kinds of other weapons parked and aimed at them right on their border. I don't blame them..

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NATO is a voluntary defensive organization. Do you ever wonder why former Soviet states are basically begging to be in NATO?

Also, this war has actually increased NATO's border with the addition of Finland.

Correct. And let's not pretend we really have a 'free press' principle of our own at this point. Look at the demands up thread that Tucker be arrested and tried for treason for having the temerity to maybe interview Putin in a way some won't approve of. Without Mike Rodgers heroic efforts to stop it, the NSA would have removed Trump in month one from office, or prevented him even from being sworn in.

Missouri v. Biden, heck, everything around covid and the censorship industrial complex have proven that beyond any reasonable doubt. More recently;

After the Zelenskyy regime imprisoned an American journalist, Gonzalo Lira, for reporting critically on his administration, he appealed to the State Dept. for help, but the Biden Admin refused to intervene despite having almost complete leverage over Ukraine. He was recently killed in custody, reportedly as a result of torture.
The Biden Admin is currently trying to extradite Julian Assange so that they can try him for "espionage," the same charge Putin's leveling against Evan Gershkovich in Russia
The Biden Admin's aggressive prosecution of BackPage.com publisher James Larkin led the 74-year-old journalist to recently commit suicide
The Biden Admin revoked @simonateba's press credentials after he made a point of asking questions the Biden Admin didn't want asked
The Weaponization Committee uncovered internal Facebook emails showing the Biden Admin's @RFlaherty46 & @ASlavitt "berated" Meta execs, demanding users' info & "tools" to censor Americans & journalists they disliked (including Tucker Carlson).
The Biden Admin is currently appealing to the Supreme Court a federal ruling reminding them that the 1st Amendment prohibits them censoring publishers they dislike
Reporter @lhfang FOIAed emails showing the Biden Admin was censoring evidence of their censoring
Since @elonmusk bought Twitter and vowed to make it an open platform for free speech, the Biden Admin has launched a multi-agency attack on Musk and his companies. The NLRB, SEC, DoJ, Southern District of NY, FTC, & U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service are all currently targeting Musk
Biden's NSA surveilled & leaked Tucker Carlson & his producers' communications after he was trying to broker an interview with Putin
Since announcing his interview w/ Putin, the EU has threatened @TuckerCarlson with sanctions and travel bans; he's also on a Ukrainian "kill list" yet thus far the Biden Admin has not felt compelled to speak out in defense of his rights as a journalist

NSA spying is far and wide, often has nothing at all to do with actual security for Americans or spying by foreign powers, and includes the use of contractors doing 'about' inquiries as well at their discretion. It goes way beyond just Russiagate.

And yet all of that pales in comparison to single days work at TASS

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. WE started this war in Ukraine by giving Putin and Russia no choice but to defend themselves.

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Ya, Russia has always been a friendly neighbor going back 100 years. And then Ukraine did the unthinkable and tried to join a defensive alliance. Basically an equivalent to Pearl Harbor.


Get out of here with this nonsense

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You're missing the point. The point is we are trying to surround Russia with NATO countries right on their border when we made an agreement with them that we would not do that. Russia does not want Nukes or all kinds of other weapons parked and aimed at them right on their border. I don't blame them..

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NATO is a voluntary defensive organization. Do you ever wonder why former Soviet states are basically begging to be in NATO?

Also, this war has actually increased NATO's border with the addition of Finland.

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The simple answer would have been to tell those countries "NO" when they wanted to join NATO. They can still be our Allies...

Do you even understand what it means to be in NATO? If one NATO country gets attacked, then all the rest have vowed to go to war for that country. Do you think Russia wants that on their border, knowing the USA is part of NATO? Any minor conflict with even the smallest of those little NATO countries on their border could put them in a war with us instantly..

Russia has had that on their border since NATO's founding

Biden backs the list. pic.twitter.com/aUlGoWRfcD

— Mask Of Duality (@Maskofduality) February 7, 2024

Note that the CIA's involvement is not really a deep secret, either. Crude explanation (sorry, I don't have time right now) goes back through Operation Butterfly/maidan etc:

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Q: Last question: why "Butterfly"?

A: The site's logo features a butterfly known as the "deadhead hawk". In Latin, it has the name Acherontia atropos, where the first word comes from the name of the river in the realm of the dead in ancient Greek mythology, and the second is the name of the goddess of fate, who cuts the thread of human life. This symbolism should remind the enemies of Ukraine that their fate currently hangs on a very thin thread, and we will do everything to break this thread.

In late 2014 another associated site - Operativ.info - was in action calling for information about saboteurs and terrorists and threatening that if disinformation was detected, they would "regard these actions as assistance to terrorists and take measures against disinformers". Revealingly the Operativ.info site waslabeled as a project of InformNapalm at this stage.

Myrotvorets lists thousands of "saboteurs", "separatists", "terrorists" and "traitors". Sometimes, it has crossed out their photographs once they had been killed, with the label "liquidated". This, for instance, happened after the murder of Daria Dugina in Moscow in August 2022. Today the Myrotvorets site houses links to two other domains which appear to be integral parts of the operation. One - ordilo.org- is titled "STORAGE OF INFORMATION ABOUT CRIMES AGAINST UKRAINE". The other - identigraf.center - allows various categories of users to submit images of individuals for facial recognition scanning.

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Here's their link (caution/gross): https://myrotvorets.center/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets
Notice the Langley Virginia location.

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Well, that escalated quickly ....

This POS dictator Zelensky has put Tucker Carlson on a “Kill List” for interviewing Putin.

Biden has helped him with your tax dollars. pic.twitter.com/IQGZZ17cIr

— Juanita Broaddrick (@atensnut) February 7, 2024

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Wait! what? Is that real?

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I've seen several different people tweet the story - but who knows anymore.

Hmm. Seems to me that if foreign leaders need to watch anyone, it is where Victoria Nuland goes.

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Well, that escalated quickly ....

This POS dictator Zelensky has put Tucker Carlson on a “Kill List” for interviewing Putin.

Biden has helped him with your tax dollars. pic.twitter.com/IQGZZ17cIr

— Juanita Broaddrick (@atensnut) February 7, 2024

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Wait! what? Is that real?

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I've seen several different people tweet the story - but who knows anymore.

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If it is on the Internet, it must be true.

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Biden backs the list. pic.twitter.com/aUlGoWRfcD

— Mask Of Duality (@Maskofduality) February 7, 2024

Note that the CIA's involvement is not really a deep secret, either. Crude explanation (sorry, I don't have time right now) goes back through Operation Butterfly/maidan etc:

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Q: Last question: why "Butterfly"?

A: The site's logo features a butterfly known as the "deadhead hawk". In Latin, it has the name Acherontia atropos, where the first word comes from the name of the river in the realm of the dead in ancient Greek mythology, and the second is the name of the goddess of fate, who cuts the thread of human life. This symbolism should remind the enemies of Ukraine that their fate currently hangs on a very thin thread, and we will do everything to break this thread.

In late 2014 another associated site - Operativ.info - was in action calling for information about saboteurs and terrorists and threatening that if disinformation was detected, they would "regard these actions as assistance to terrorists and take measures against disinformers". Revealingly the Operativ.info site waslabeled as a project of InformNapalm at this stage.

Myrotvorets lists thousands of "saboteurs", "separatists", "terrorists" and "traitors". Sometimes, it has crossed out their photographs once they had been killed, with the label "liquidated". This, for instance, happened after the murder of Daria Dugina in Moscow in August 2022. Today the Myrotvorets site houses links to two other domains which appear to be integral parts of the operation. One - ordilo.org- is titled "STORAGE OF INFORMATION ABOUT CRIMES AGAINST UKRAINE". The other - identigraf.center - allows various categories of users to submit images of individuals for facial recognition scanning.

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Here's their link (caution/gross): https://myrotvorets.center/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets
Notice the Langley Virginia location.

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It's interesting, at least in a horrifying way, to watch perfectly rational people fall victim to conspiracies because they want it to fit their world view.

Short answer: the idea that the CIA is running assassination operations on Tucker Carlson is so ludicrous it's beyond absurd.

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Russia has had that on their border since NATO's founding

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What do you think it meant to Russia when we won the cold war and told them we would not expand NATO any further eastward toward Russia?

I'm pretty sure they understood what it meant even though you guys don't seem too.

These 3 clown Presidents didn't understand what it meant either - GW Bush, Obama, and Biden.

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Russia has had that on their border since NATO's founding

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What do you think it meant to Russia when we won the cold war and told them we would not expand NATO any further eastward toward Russia?

I'm pretty sure they understood what it meant even though you guys don't seem too.

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https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/

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"I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO," Zoellick recalls. Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze, later president of Georgia, concurred, he says. Nor does the treaty on Germany's unification include a limit on NATO enlargement. Those facts have undermined one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's justifications for invading Ukraine that the United States had agreed that former Warsaw Pact nations would never become part of the North Atlantic security alliance.

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Russia has had that on their border since NATO's founding

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What do you think it meant to Russia when we won the cold war and told them we would not expand NATO any further eastward toward Russia?

I'm pretty sure they understood what it meant even though you guys don't seem too.

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https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/

We never promised not to expand NATO

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"I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO," Zoellick recalls. Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze, later president of Georgia, concurred, he says. Nor does the treaty on Germany's unification include a limit on NATO enlargement. Those facts have undermined one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's justifications for invading Ukraine that the United States had agreed that former Warsaw Pact nations would never become part of the North Atlantic security alliance.

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You think that guy has heard every conversation between our President and the Russian Leaders?

Give me a break. Even if it was never promised, do you think Russia wants NATO countries on their doorstep aiming weapons at them? Any fool can see that is a bad threat that no country would want. Any fool can also see that is poking the bear over and over, except our clown past and current Presidents..

Russia has had NATO on its doorstep aiming weapons at them for decades.

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Any idea if they (EU) have any real grounds, 'Hawg?

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That's a loaded question. What we consider a 1st amendment issue as freedom of the press, the EU does not have such an understanding. So the grounds of the beefs they have with Elon are real enough to them.

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Gotcha. Gracias.

The NATO membership angle is bull ***** Russia simply wants Ukraine to be a part of Russia. That's it.

It's a pure land grab.

Putin doesn't care if Biden was president. Or if Trump was president. Or if you and I were president. He wanted Ukraine and was going to simply take it. That is until he miscalculated Ukraines will to not be Russians.

And that's when the world said **** it and pitched in.

So if NATO keeps pitching in money and equipment without a negotiated solution, how long could this war continue and how many more deaths and physical destruction? It seems stupid to keep it going !

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So if NATO keeps pitching in money and equipment without a negotiated solution, how long could this war continue and how many more deaths and physical destruction? It seems stupid to keep it going !

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Isn't the length of this war determined by Ukraine's will to be a country? Who are we to tell them to lie down?

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Putin doesn't care if Biden was president. Or if Trump was president. Or if you and I were president. He wanted Ukraine and was going to simply take it. That is until he miscalculated Ukraines will to not be Russians.

And that's when the world said **** it and pitched in.

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Putin absolutely cares that Biden is President. It's not a coincidence that's when he acted. I don't think he all of a sudden came to the realization that he wanted Ukraine back under Russian rule.

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So if NATO keeps pitching in money and equipment without a negotiated solution, how long could this war continue and how many more deaths and physical destruction? It seems stupid to keep it going !

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Isn't the length of this war determined by Ukraine's will to be a country? Who are we to tell them to lie down?

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Yeah it's not like the Biden Administration is pressuring Israel to a cease-fire in its conflict. Clearly our govt is above telling other countries what to do with their wars.

TRY NOT TO LAUGH: CNN host on the verge of TEARS fights water works after Tucker CONFIRMS Putin interview | SHOCKS internet 🤣 pic.twitter.com/NSqqjyhoDe

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) February 7, 2024

So she admits it. It's not a problem that anyone is interviewing Putin. It's a problem that they're not interviewing Putin. The same people that perpetuated the fake Russians collusion narrative for more than 3 entire years, which was a complete load of **** from the jump. Imagine that. No wonder he said no to you clowns.

I'm not scared to hear Tucker's interview with Putin. We've certainly heard Ukraines side over and over and sent them a crap pile of money. I certainly don't trust Putin but want to hear what he has to say. I'm not certain on who to trust over there. It doesn't seem we can trust anyone here, especially the media.

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nortex97 said:

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Biden backs the list. pic.twitter.com/aUlGoWRfcD

— Mask Of Duality (@Maskofduality) February 7, 2024

Note that the CIA's involvement is not really a deep secret, either. Crude explanation (sorry, I don't have time right now) goes back through Operation Butterfly/maidan etc:

Quote:

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Q: Last question: why "Butterfly"?

A: The site's logo features a butterfly known as the "deadhead hawk". In Latin, it has the name Acherontia atropos, where the first word comes from the name of the river in the realm of the dead in ancient Greek mythology, and the second is the name of the goddess of fate, who cuts the thread of human life. This symbolism should remind the enemies of Ukraine that their fate currently hangs on a very thin thread, and we will do everything to break this thread.

In late 2014 another associated site - Operativ.info - was in action calling for information about saboteurs and terrorists and threatening that if disinformation was detected, they would "regard these actions as assistance to terrorists and take measures against disinformers". Revealingly the Operativ.info site waslabeled as a project of InformNapalm at this stage.

Myrotvorets lists thousands of "saboteurs", "separatists", "terrorists" and "traitors". Sometimes, it has crossed out their photographs once they had been killed, with the label "liquidated". This, for instance, happened after the murder of Daria Dugina in Moscow in August 2022. Today the Myrotvorets site houses links to two other domains which appear to be integral parts of the operation. One - ordilo.org- is titled "STORAGE OF INFORMATION ABOUT CRIMES AGAINST UKRAINE". The other - identigraf.center - allows various categories of users to submit images of individuals for facial recognition scanning.

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Here's their link (caution/gross): https://myrotvorets.center/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets
Notice the Langley Virginia location.

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It's interesting, at least in a horrifying way, to watch perfectly rational people fall victim to conspiracies because they want it to fit their world view.

Short answer: the idea that the CIA is running assassination operations on Tucker Carlson is so ludicrous it's beyond absurd.

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You seem like the triple vaxxed and boosted type

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So if NATO keeps pitching in money and equipment without a negotiated solution, how long could this war continue and how many more deaths and physical destruction? It seems stupid to keep it going !

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Isn't the length of this war determined by Ukraine's will to be a country? Who are we to tell them to lie down?

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Japan and Germany are still countries and our war with them was only dependent only overwhelming force not their "will to be a country". If a settlement was reached whereby the citizens of the Eastern provinces of Ukraine were allowed to elect their government - to choose between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, would that satisfy Ukraine? Let the people decide. It seems democratic.

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I'm not scared to hear Tucker's interview with Putin. We've certainly heard Ukraines side over and over and sent them a crap pile of money. I certainly don't trust Putin but want to hear what he has to say. I'm not certain on who to trust over there. It doesn't seem we can trust anyone here, especially the media.

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I agree, but I don't think we're going to hear anything different than we already have.

1. NATO Expansion
2. Safety for Russians living in Ukraine (annexed areas)
3. De-militarization of Ukraine
4. De-nazify Ukraine
5. LBGTQZ
6. Biolabs / Mutant Soldiers

I am sure I am missing a few.

If the interview happens and the interview gets aired, I am sure the questions and answers will all be scripted to paint Putin and Russia in the best possible light.

Let's see how it goes.

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Putin doesn't care if Biden was president. Or if Trump was president. Or if you and I were president. He wanted Ukraine and was going to simply take it. That is until he miscalculated Ukraines will to not be Russians.

And that's when the world said **** it and pitched in.

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Just purely a coincidence that he took it when Biden took over I'm sure. Why did he wait so long between Crimea and the rest of Ukraine? Just really strange.

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So if NATO keeps pitching in money and equipment without a negotiated solution, how long could this war continue and how many more deaths and physical destruction? It seems stupid to keep it going !

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Isn't the length of this war determined by Ukraine's will to be a country? Who are we to tell them to lie down?

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Japan and Germany are still countries and our war with them was only dependent only overwhelming force not their "will to be a country". If a settlement was reached whereby the citizens of the Eastern provinces of Ukraine were allowed to elect their government - to choose between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, would that satisfy Ukraine? Let the people decide. It seems democratic.

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Do the people forcibly removed from these areas by Russia get a vote?

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So if NATO keeps pitching in money and equipment without a negotiated solution, how long could this war continue and how many more deaths and physical destruction? It seems stupid to keep it going !

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Isn't the length of this war determined by Ukraine's will to be a country? Who are we to tell them to lie down?

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Japan and Germany are still countries and our war with them was only dependent only overwhelming force not their "will to be a country". If a settlement was reached whereby the citizens of the Eastern provinces of Ukraine were allowed to elect their government - to choose between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, would that satisfy Ukraine? Let the people decide. It seems democratic.

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Do the people forcibly removed from these areas by Russia get a vote?

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Sure. Give anyone who moved since the onset of the war a vote if they can prove they lived their at the onset and then moved. Sounds fair. As long as those who moved to Russia can vote too.

I would actually be fine with a negotiated peace along current lines. But Russia wouldn't.

When I first read Tucker had an interview with Putin, I assumed it was a job interview.

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The NATO membership angle is bull ***** Russia simply wants Ukraine to be a part of Russia. That's it.

It's a pure land grab.

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How do you know it's not a land grab for the USA and it's Allies? You should read up on who Ukraine has been working with on developing land there...Globalists/ NWO types wanting to control the food supply like Blackrock. Have you not seen the small farmer types protesting all over the world against big corporate farms pushing them out? Ukraine is like a big giant goldmine of fertile farmland that powerful entities all over want a piece of, not just Russia..

https://global.ilmanifesto.it/the-truth-about-corporations-taking-over-ukrainian-agricultural-lands/

You think we would be risking nuclear war aiding them like we are, if there wasn't a goldmine like that at stake?

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When I first read Tucker had an interview with Putin, I assumed it was a job interview.

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no need, he's been working for putin for free for years already