Why are men and women diverging politically on a global scale?

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Nanomachines son
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9:33a, 1/26/24


Apparently this is happening everywhere on the planet. I am absolutely convinced social media is responsible for this.

The other interesting fact is that women become mostly conservative when they marry and tend to follow their husbands. This is also the norm globally.

When you look at these graphs it makes perfect sense why the far left is pushing for the destruction of families and marriage, the more single women a nation has, the more leftist voters there are.

Of course simultaneously the single men are getting increasingly conservative.

It's not a surprise Total Fertility Rates have plummeted. The men and women effectively hate each other outside of a decreasing group.
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9:37a, 1/26/24
liberals play up everything on the emotional level, women tend to be more emotional creatures. not hard to see why they would gravitate towards the left. it's also not hard to see why real men gravitate to the right.

i think the most telling statement is in marriage.
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9:40a, 1/26/24
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Wife reads TexAgs so I am going to just watch....
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9:44a, 1/26/24
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Women want to feel supported. If men don't do it, they want government to do it. So, the best way to 'liberate' women and get them on the big government plantation is to destroy manhood. Look around you at the state of manhood today. It isn't a coincidence.
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9:48a, 1/26/24
Hard to underestimate the change in the human experience human experience in the past 150 years. Birth control, urbanization, social media, 3rd+ wave feminism, welfare states…

"Modern culture" is hyper individualistic with no tethers to tradition which could keep us grounded socially. Men tend to see the threat of the system's trajectory whereas women tend to see the system as their ally.
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9:53a, 1/26/24
There is a reason our Founding Fathers didn't want women or non-land owners to vote.

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9:55a, 1/26/24
















Additional information on the issue globally.
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In reply to American Hardwood • 10:02a, 1/26/24
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Yep. Lots of things help socialism creep by making people more dependent on daddy government to keep getting bigger so they can solve every problem, including attempts at eliminating or destroying god/religion, nuclear families, and independent thought from society, devaluing currency and redistributing wealth from the remaining earners thus creating more impoverished people dependent on govt (but at least it's equitable and fair to the lazy), persecuting and oppressing political opposition to the socialist regime, vilifying local LEOs while glorifying federal LEOs, and importing mass migrants to change the demographics to be more poor and thus more dependent on daddy government.

Women and weak men tend to fall for the government propaganda spouted by pravda in higher numbers. Government is good and they're here to help. The world would stop spinning if it weren't for government doing all the wonderful things it does. If government doesn't spend spend spend and solve everything, because government is sooo good at implementing and managing national programs, the world would end and everyone would die. Government must stop the evil racist opposition who don't want bigger government to take more of their money for benevolent and righteous equity redistribution.
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In reply to American Hardwood • 10:03a, 1/26/24
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American Hardwood said:
the big government plantation
This.

Eliminate God - Government takes Gods place
No God? - No worries, government will save the planet
Eliminate the free-market democracy - Government becomes the "invisible hand"
Destroy the family and fatherhood with endless social safety-nets - women turn to government
Create viruses and health scares - no worry the government and big-pharma have an "anti-virus"
No wars - the government will start one
Ok, we'll just elect someone else - nope the government will control voting rules and who's on the ballet.
I'll just work hard and keep my head down - while the IRS continues to grow.
Good thing I'm a liberal and support all of this - famous last words when they come for you too.
...

Our government is currently the largest organization in the history of the world.
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10:06a, 1/26/24
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Saw some surly dude in HEB last weekend wearing a t-shirt that said "Women Shouldn't Vote"
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10:07a, 1/26/24
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10:08a, 1/26/24
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I think it's disingenuous to assume most men are simply blindly taking the "opposite position" because women are assumed to be more progressive. But not surprising that some want to portray most men as stupid and simplistic.

I think men are more likely to place the economic priorities of their vote as the primary motivation compared to women. Hence why they aren't drawn into Marxist ideas as much as women.

I mostly think it's because women are targeted significantly more than men from left-leaning movements that minimize economics and real-world results to focus on emotional issues and topics designed to persuade women into feeling oppressed or sympathetic to socialist "shared" ideas.
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10:08a, 1/26/24
My take: Women are the greater consumers of college education. This is a trend decades in the making and looks to be increasing.

It is that simple.

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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 10:09a, 1/26/24
DallasAg 94 said:
Just spent an hour having an irrational discussion with Mrs DA 94. Fortunately, she doesn't follow TA.

We were talking about misogyny and the patriarch. The questions were...

Does the WNBA suffer in attendance because women are unaware of it or because it doesn't interest them?

Is the obsession of Taylor Swift and the Kardashians by women the result of society promoting them and forcing women to idolize them? Which came first, a women's desire to idolize them, or societies incessant promotion such that women just can't resist?

I don't advise this question:
"So, are you saying women are too stupid to decide what they want for themselves and too influenced by society?"

Because hypothetically, that type of question might get you the heated response:
"Are you saying women are stupid and can't think for themselves?"

Because that will draw a response that gets twisted and requires about an hour of debate.




Women's liberation was the worst thing we could have ever done in the world. It's a civilization ender. This issue crosses all cultures, races, and religions.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 10:26a, 1/26/24
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DallasAg 94 said:
Just spent an hour having an irrational discussion with Mrs DA 94. Fortunately, she doesn't follow TA.

We were talking about misogyny and the patriarch. The questions were...

Does the WNBA suffer in attendance because women are unaware of it or because it doesn't interest them?
My wife and I had a similar discussion this week...

My son mentioned that he was annoyed with ESPN. There has been a huge push of content, about women's college bball and the WNBA. He mentioned that he has to scroll past WNBA scores to 'see the sports people care about'.

This prompted a reply from my wife, that some people do care about women's sports...etc etc

So I asked, have you been to a college football game? NFL game, NBA game, NCAA men's bball game...All of which she said yes to. Then I asked, how many WNBA or WNCAA games have you been to? Answer being zero.

She said, 'but I dont know any of the players. Maybe if I did, I'd be interested'. So then I asked, ESPN has been promoting the heck out of women's sports lately. How many women basketball players can you now name? The answer was zero. Why? Because she doesn't like sports. She doesnt turn on ESPN. Point being, they can put immense amount of effort into promoting it, but that doesnt make a person like it.

Thing is, in general, men like sports much more than women. So pandering to a group who don't like the product is misplaced efforts (unless there is another reason). It would be like promoting shopping to me. You can tell me all about the products, the stores etc...I'll still hate it.

I also asked her why she's gone to so many sporting events with us? The answer is that she enjoys the event and spending time with us...even if she doesnt really care about the sport itself.

It's the 'feels', rather than the facts.

Neither is bad or wrong. They are both great aspects of humans. But acknowledging that we're different used to be common sense, and viewed as logical. Now it's frowned upon.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 10:31a, 1/26/24
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Those graphs are interesting. I'm not sure how much stock to put in them, given the differing questions, society norms, etc.

I'd also be curious to know how much this differs historically. I think it's a bit natural for younger people to be more independent and have free thought, until the settle down and reality hits them in the face. And Historically people have become more conservative as they get older. You also tend to be like the people you're around. When you're young and ignorant about life, you're around others who are young and ignorant. As you get older, that also changes.

So the trends by age make sense to me as they're shown in the graphs. I wouldnt expect the results for people in their 20s to mirror the results for people in their 60s. But if I took the same data from 4 decades ago, has it changed? Has the divide grown for younger people? If so, by how much, compared to younger people in the past?

And historically, how did that change by age?

It's interesting for sure.
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10:49a, 1/26/24
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Research temperament distributions and the big five personality traits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

Having issues with the link.

To sum up, the modern theory and data on theses personality trait distributions observes that the sex distributions are not the same, and can be considerably different.

Females rate higher in neuroticism and agreeableness, meaning they are more empathetic and compelled by their empathy to action. They care, and want to appear to others to care, about the feelings and conditions of others (and also other things that can be personified) as they perceive them, in general terms, and have more concern about it. Therefore when you have ideologies emerge that make the claim that the ideology is the manifestation of caring about people and things, it is attractive to females to adopt the ideology and sort of integrate their moral framework to the ideology, and it's hierarchies. Leftist progressivism and authoritarian or collective "caring" appeals more easily to females who see it as means to an end to gratify the personal need to feel caring and the social need to appear to be caring.

That is usually counterbalanced socially by the male counterpart to that that is less caring and focuses in on other traits that are important to maintain a balance socially, but social media and globalization of culture on a vast scale and probably a lot of low T has thrown everything out of balance. There is very much a feminization of cultures occurring that is skewing societies towards authoritarian progressive ideology that claims to be more caring, though clearly not in a results oriented rational manner.
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10:52a, 1/26/24
Why are men and women diverging on a political scale:

Conservative (C) party creates a need for men to be men. Liberal/Progressive (P) party fills the need of men with government.


Child rearing C: Man provides, mother stays home. (proven the best way). P: Free daycare so woman can work.
Security C: Individuals are empowered (rise on self defense). P: Individuals are stripped of power to make people safe
Workplace C: pay should be based on ability. P: Equal pay (raising female incomes while lowering male incomes)
Reproduction: C: Should be revered. Gives purpose to life. P: Reproduction holds women back, is a way of the patriarchy keeping women down
Fear: C: Men fear having no purpose. P: Women fear having to rely on men. This is replaced with government
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10:53a, 1/26/24
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Dating these days with numbers like that is rough I can offer up from personal experiences ... even in "conservative" places like College Station.
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In reply to texagbeliever • 10:59a, 1/26/24
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Government replaces males as provider, but ironically depends largely on the collective effort and action of males to provide its power and resources.

So, it is disadvantaged or projecting females distributing their provider needs across the collective of males, as much as possible.
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11:05a, 1/26/24
When a single economy (and in this case, an intermingled world economy), gets to a certain point in the long-term debt cycle, the first signs of the cycle ending are..

1. Rise in extreme populism
2. Decay of shared moral values

This has been trickling for decades, jumped with end of Bush, exploded with Obama, and has been going parabolic with 2016 with the steepest part of the curve 2020-present.

Very few ways out of this that don't lead to global war. One of the main ones is a local crisis (think 9/11) that unites a country temporarily and resets sentiment before it resumes its uptrend.

History is not kind to where we are in the cycle.
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 11:08a, 1/26/24
MouthBQ98 said:
Government replaces males as provider, but ironically depends largely on the collective effort and action of males to provide its power and resources.

So, it is disadvantaged or projecting females distributing their provider needs across the collective of males, as much as possible.
Government doesn't replace males, government steals the resources of males and gives it to women (and other weaker males). So it makes sense why men would be strongly opposed to that system and why women would largely favor it.

I have watched quite a few podcasts and the idea that males have always been mindful of not giving away their resources cheaply. While women generally have less inhibition. This is seen in $$s spent by sex especially when one normalizes those numbers by income by sex.

This phenomenon is best seen by voting tendencies between rural-suburban-urban. Rural is the most conservative, because there is the greatest need of man. Urban is the least conservative, because man is weakest as an individual here. Suburban is somewhere in-between.
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 11:12a, 1/26/24
Social conformity takes numerous forms. The attraction and evolution of these various pockets of social development are fascinating and complex. "Internet culture" is a flippant term, but there are too many corners of internet culture to count. Even TexAgs has dozens of message board cultures - each with complex crossovers and external influences.

I think young men are offput by modern (feminized) society, where gossiping, shaming, and rallying are rewarded but direct confrontation is punished. If observing modern culture brings up a visceral reaction, you're going to mark the forces which created it as a mistake and support structures which buttress against them.

Basically girls are engaged in the dominant leftist feminist culture and men are saying "nope nope nope nope"ing out of it.
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11:16a, 1/26/24
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One of my greatest fears is that one of my daughters gets the mind virus
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11:18a, 1/26/24
imo the divergence is due to algorithmically driven social media silos. people's politics generally follow that of their in-group, and increasingly these group divisions are online and not irl for young people.
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11:20a, 1/26/24
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11:22a, 1/26/24
Decline in marriage rates and long-term relationships. So men and women increasingly see each other as competitors rather than partners, making their interests diverge.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 11:24a, 1/26/24
Sea Speed said:
One of my greatest fears is that one of my daughters gets the mind virus
I presently believe the best defense is to be a father who loves their mother and is respected by their mother. It is important for your wife to vocalize that respect to you (both personally for you, and also for your daughters to hear). In a way she is training them on what to value and you are being a man that is worthy of your daughters to aim for.

None of this is an accusation of you that you aren't doing this.
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 11:37a, 1/26/24
MouthBQ98 said:
Government replaces males as provider, but ironically depends largely on the collective effort and action of males to provide its power and resources.

So, it is disadvantaged or projecting females distributing their provider needs across the collective of males, as much as possible.


That does not explain why this is a global phenomenon. You guys are posting reasons why it is happening in the US alone but that is clearly not the real explanation because this is a GLOBAL issue.

How would this explain Nigeria or Brazil where their social programs are garbage? Something else is going on.
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In reply to Old McDonald • 11:38a, 1/26/24
Old McDonald said:
imo the divergence is due to algorithmically driven social media silos. people's politics generally follow that of their in-group, and increasingly these group divisions are online and not irl for young people.


This is probably more correct than other situations. Women are naturally more inclined to be agreeable in social settings so they will follow the trend while men generally don't and will base more opinions on how they interact with the world.

I don't often agree with you but thank you for actually addressing the topic.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 11:40a, 1/26/24
Nanomachines son said:
MouthBQ98 said:
Government replaces males as provider, but ironically depends largely on the collective effort and action of males to provide its power and resources.

So, it is disadvantaged or projecting females distributing their provider needs across the collective of males, as much as possible.


That does not explain why this is a global phenomenon. You guys are posting reasons why it is happening in the US alone but that is clearly not the real explanation because this is a GLOBAL issue.

How would this explain Nigeria or Brazil where their social programs are garbage? Something else is going on.
Read my post above
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 11:43a, 1/26/24
Nanomachines son said:
MouthBQ98 said:
Government replaces males as provider, but ironically depends largely on the collective effort and action of males to provide its power and resources.

So, it is disadvantaged or projecting females distributing their provider needs across the collective of males, as much as possible.


That does not explain why this is a global phenomenon. You guys are posting reasons why it is happening in the US alone but that is clearly not the real explanation because this is a GLOBAL issue.

How would this explain Nigeria or Brazil where their social programs are garbage? Something else is going on.
Depends on the perception of the social programs. Are they seen as failure because social welfare is a failure or are they seen as failure because men are not providing enough for them to be successful.

Add in social media and you have the ability to algorithmically support narratives across the globe simultaneously. The problem is that since the system is aligned against men, they are naturally far more likely to respond against it. That is why the 18-24 year olds are statistically the most conservative group ever at that age group.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 11:47a, 1/26/24
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I pointed this out. Social media and technology are expanding the reach of female social groups and the body of peers they are trying to conform with, and their temperament distribution drives them to collective social conformity. This happens across cultures, because it operates at a more fundamental biological level.
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11:48a, 1/26/24
Thank feminism. Building generations of single, angry, cat owners. I'm sure this is a western thing.
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