Ags77 said:

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Why is everyone so hell bent telling us we have to choose between 2 senile old dudes ?

Literally an old senile diaper wearing incumbent vs. an old senile diaper wearing guy who lost in 2020.

If that's our choice, why can't reasonable people choose to vote for third party, write in, or just leave it blank ? I keep hearing " that's not an option " or " you must choose" between Biden and Trump. Why ?

If I served you spinach and broccoli and you don't like either, would you say " you have to eat one" ? Of course not.

I encourage everyone , if you want Biden or if you want Trump ... vote for them. But if you are like me and others and you don't want either, vote for neither.

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Your analogy leaves out some important points.

If you eat the spinach and not the broccoli we know from past experience it causes your mouth to burn and you say nasty words, but our house that is now on fire will self extinguish.

On the other hand we are all now eating broccoli, our house is on fire and if we continue to eat broccoli our house is going to burn to the ground. And there is a better than average chance the entire world catches fire because of that braindead criminal broccoli we are eating!

istillhatecats said:

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GreasenUSA said:

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istillhatecats said:

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In my opinion, there are at least a dozen Democrats more dangerous than Joe Biden




it's going to be a hard sell to independents that Biden is tanking the economy.

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-There are also at least a dozen more Republicans less "dangerous" than Donald Trump. Which of these other D's and R's are on the ballot?

-It's a pretty simple sell. Independents are keenly aware of how much tighter their wallets currently are.

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I don't disagree with you that there at least a dozen Republicans that are better options and I would have happily voted for some and begrudgingly voted for others. Trump is the only Republican I won't vote for.

I was solely addressing the point that "Joe Biden is the worst there is". He's not. Newsome is far worse because he's a good communicator. Michelle Obama would be worse because she's smart and she communicates well. Biden is 30 years past his prime (if he had one). He's not as dangerous as some on here would have us believe.

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He's just as dangerous as any of them.

a) he ran as a moderate "adults are back in the room" candidate, but instead has mostly caved to those in his party who are much farther to the left

b) coupled with the senility, this proves he's not in control of his own show, which is a far more dangerous proposition when we're talking about a leftist regime

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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Nobody's worse than Biden,

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Does that include M Obama?

If Biden wins, he'll be out in four years. If M Obama wins, she could be around for eight years.

Of course, if MAGA is still whining about the 2020 election, we could easily have four more years of Biden followed by eight years of M Obama.

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I think Michelle Obama would be a lot better than Biden. She isn't senile. She can speak in complete sentences.

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That's the lowest bar possible that you could set for a presidential candidate, and Biden is miles under that bar.

At the point, the media could tell me that Trump abuses puppies in his free time, and I'll still vote for him because nothing they say ever ends up being true.

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Well, Trump hates dogs (per Wife #1). For a guy that doesn't possess a single human quality I admire, add this to the list.

Andrew Dufresne said:

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If you were to go back in time a few years you'd notice that this board was once 80%+ MAGA..

Now, fast forward to today and this board is seemingly 80%+ against MAGA...

this tells me we have a ton of converts here..

So.. tell me, convert.. what moment caused you to jump off of the "Trump Train" ?

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It was so obvious since before Trump ran the first time that he is a disturbed, toxic narcissist who is in it only for himself. He is clearly incompetent to govern, he hates the rule of law, he hates Democratic values and American institutions, and he detests America. He is also a sexual predator and a criminal. Let's hope the trend continues towards 0% MAGA on this board.

You cannot lose something you never had.

Startin' a country and western song here.

istillhatecats said:

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GreasenUSA said:

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istillhatecats said:

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In my opinion, there are at least a dozen Democrats more dangerous than Joe Biden




it's going to be a hard sell to independents that Biden is tanking the economy.

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-There are also at least a dozen more Republicans less "dangerous" than Donald Trump. Which of these other D's and R's are on the ballot?

-It's a pretty simple sell. Independents are keenly aware of how much tighter their wallets currently are.

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I don't disagree with you that there at least a dozen Republicans that are better options and I would have happily voted for some and begrudgingly voted for others. Trump is the only Republican I won't vote for.

I was solely addressing the point that "Joe Biden is the worst there is". He's not. Newsome is far worse because he's a good communicator. Michelle Obama would be worse because she's smart and she communicates well. Biden is 30 years past his prime (if he had one). He's not as dangerous as some on here would have us believe.

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I'm going to disagree with you on this one as you're missing a key point... Joe himself is not that dangerous, but Joe is not the one running things. It's the nameless, faceless individuals BEHIND Joe that are running the country. Which makes this administration even more dangerous. I don't want the individual or individuals actually making decisions to be insulated by the facade/proxy of Ol' Joe.

There's a reason Austin didn't call Joe when he was in the hospital having surgery. It was because it didn't matter. Joe isn't the one he's reporting to...

jrdaustin said:

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istillhatecats said:

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GreasenUSA said:

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istillhatecats said:

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In my opinion, there are at least a dozen Democrats more dangerous than Joe Biden




it's going to be a hard sell to independents that Biden is tanking the economy.

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-There are also at least a dozen more Republicans less "dangerous" than Donald Trump. Which of these other D's and R's are on the ballot?

-It's a pretty simple sell. Independents are keenly aware of how much tighter their wallets currently are.

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I don't disagree with you that there at least a dozen Republicans that are better options and I would have happily voted for some and begrudgingly voted for others. Trump is the only Republican I won't vote for.

I was solely addressing the point that "Joe Biden is the worst there is". He's not. Newsome is far worse because he's a good communicator. Michelle Obama would be worse because she's smart and she communicates well. Biden is 30 years past his prime (if he had one). He's not as dangerous as some on here would have us believe.

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I'm going to disagree with you on this one as you're missing a key point... Joe himself is not that dangerous, but Joe is not the one running things. It's the nameless, faceless individuals BEHIND Joe that are running the country. Which makes this administration even more dangerous. I don't want the individual or individuals actually making decisions to be insulated by the facade/proxy of Ol' Joe.

There's a reason Austin didn't call Joe when he was in the hospital having surgery. It was because it didn't matter. Joe isn't the one he's reporting to...

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I completely agree with you that he's not the one running things. I am more skeptical that the nameless faces running things are as liberal as we're told. Joe isn't nearly as middle of the road as he campaigned on but I think he's more middle of the road than the extreme wing of the party wants him and he can't openly brag about accomplishments that he knows will hurt him politically. For example, for all the bluster we hear from the right about his energy policies, we produce more oil and LNG than ever. We're producing more oil right now than any country in the history of the world. More than at any point in the Trump Presidency. The same goes for LNG but you'll never hear the admin talking about it because their base doesn't want it.

Newsome is far more dangerous because he's far more effective.

Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

jrdaustin said:

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istillhatecats said:

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GreasenUSA said:

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istillhatecats said:

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In my opinion, there are at least a dozen Democrats more dangerous than Joe Biden




it's going to be a hard sell to independents that Biden is tanking the economy.

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-There are also at least a dozen more Republicans less "dangerous" than Donald Trump. Which of these other D's and R's are on the ballot?

-It's a pretty simple sell. Independents are keenly aware of how much tighter their wallets currently are.

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I don't disagree with you that there at least a dozen Republicans that are better options and I would have happily voted for some and begrudgingly voted for others. Trump is the only Republican I won't vote for.

I was solely addressing the point that "Joe Biden is the worst there is". He's not. Newsome is far worse because he's a good communicator. Michelle Obama would be worse because she's smart and she communicates well. Biden is 30 years past his prime (if he had one). He's not as dangerous as some on here would have us believe.

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I'm going to disagree with you on this one as you're missing a key point... Joe himself is not that dangerous, but Joe is not the one running things. It's the nameless, faceless individuals BEHIND Joe that are running the country. Which makes this administration even more dangerous. I don't want the individual or individuals actually making decisions to be insulated by the facade/proxy of Ol' Joe.

There's a reason Austin didn't call Joe when he was in the hospital having surgery. It was because it didn't matter. Joe isn't the one he's reporting to...

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Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice, Hussein Obama...that cabal.

lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

Wrong.

We told you if the GOP was stupid enough to nominate Trump he would lose the General Election.

Just as he has lost the popular vote in the last 4 national elections.

As I have posted on a massive thread, Trump got 94% of the GOP vote in 2020 and STILL LOST.

he will get less than that in 2024.

good luck with him making up the deficit by winning independent and democrat party voters- who he trailed Biden 57 - 41 in 2020.

just as the leftists had to go down to crushing defeats in 1984 and 1988 for them to finally put up a decent candidate in 1992, apparently the Republican party is idiotic enough to keep wanting to lose elections with Trump.

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just as the leftists had to go down to crushing defeats in 1984 and 1988 for them to finally put up a decent candidate in 1992, apparently the Republican party is idiotic enough to keep wanting to lose elections with Trump.

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I have little faith, as the electorate just keeps getting angrier and less intelligent at the same time.

I get the anger. We all do. Some of us are smart and want to win. Others are not as smart and only want to be angry.

LMCane said:

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Wrong.
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for them to finally put up a decent candidate in 1992

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Give me break.

This is where you analysis is flat out suspect and why nobody should listen to your criticisms because you reveal yourself to be Democrat because you considered and continue to consider Clinton a decent candidate.

bobbranco said:

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LMCane said:

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Wrong.
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for them to finally put up a decent candidate in 1992

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Give me break.

This is where you analysis is flat out suspect and why nobody should listen to your criticisms because you reveal yourself to be Democrat because you considered and continue to consider Clinton a decent candidate.

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He won twice. Cope harder. Alternatively, vote better.

ArbAg said:

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lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

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Y'all keep saying he "scares" everyone.

You're confusing fear with hatred. They HATE Trump.

It's not fear that is driving people to not want him in office.

Waffledynamics said:

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bobbranco said:

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LMCane said:

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Wrong.
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for them to finally put up a decent candidate in 1992

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Give me break.

This is where you analysis is flat out suspect and why nobody should listen to your criticisms because you reveal yourself to be Democrat because you considered and continue to consider Clinton a decent candidate.

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He won twice. Cope harder. Alternatively, vote better.

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So did Obama.

And yet you whine about the stupid electorate. Explain to me how Clinton and Obama were successfully elected. Be honest. I will obviously need to wait a long time for an honest answer from you.

Now we have someone arguing over Desantis using grade school insults? Lol

bobbranco said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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bobbranco said:

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LMCane said:

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Wrong.
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for them to finally put up a decent candidate in 1992

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Give me break.

This is where you analysis is flat out suspect and why nobody should listen to your criticisms because you reveal yourself to be Democrat because you considered and continue to consider Clinton a decent candidate.

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He won twice. Cope harder. Alternatively, vote better.

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So did Obama.

And yet you whine about the stupid electorate. Explain to me how Clinton and Obama were successfully elected. Be honest. I will obviously need to wait a long time for an honest answer from you.

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Clinton and Obama pretty solidly won their elections, all of them. They were popular presidents.

ArbAg said:

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lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

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How is Trump "anti-establishment" ? He has been establishment/swamp since before whining about it was a thing. Just on the other side of things.

That's as silly as saying he isn't a globalist when he's got factories in MX and China and elsewhere.

geoag58 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Why is everyone so hell bent telling us we have to choose between 2 senile old dudes ?

Literally an old senile diaper wearing incumbent vs. an old senile diaper wearing guy who lost in 2020.

If that's our choice, why can't reasonable people choose to vote for third party, write in, or just leave it blank ? I keep hearing " that's not an option " or " you must choose" between Biden and Trump. Why ?

If I served you spinach and broccoli and you don't like either, would you say " you have to eat one" ? Of course not.

I encourage everyone , if you want Biden or if you want Trump ... vote for them. But if you are like me and others and you don't want either, vote for neither.

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Your analogy leaves out some important points.

If you eat the spinach and not the broccoli we know from past experience it causes your mouth to burn and you say nasty words, but our house that is now on fire will self extinguish.

On the other hand we are all now eating broccoli, our house is on fire and if we continue to eat broccoli our house is going to burn to the ground. And there is a better than average chance the entire world catches fire because of that braindead criminal broccoli we are eating!

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bobbranco said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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bobbranco said:

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LMCane said:

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Wrong.
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for them to finally put up a decent candidate in 1992

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Give me break.

This is where you analysis is flat out suspect and why nobody should listen to your criticisms because you reveal yourself to be Democrat because you considered and continue to consider Clinton a decent candidate.

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He won twice. Cope harder. Alternatively, vote better.

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So did Obama.

And yet you whine about the stupid electorate. Explain to me how Clinton and Obama were successfully elected. Be honest. I will obviously need to wait a long time for an honest answer from you.

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Because they were better candidates. Period. Note that I did not say they were better Presidents. I said candidates.

You're LMCane?

You replied to me.

You replied to me.

Ag with kids said:

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ArbAg said:

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lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

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Y'all keep saying he "scares" everyone.

You're confusing fear with hatred. They HATE Trump.

It's not fear that is driving people to not want him in office.

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Hate? Okay, hate! Not being an established politician and exposing all the corruption (many decades worth) makes him hated by dems, reps, deep state and liberal media. The same thing that makes him loved by the millions who will elect him into office again.

LMCane said:

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Wrong.

We told you if the GOP was stupid enough to nominate Trump he would lose the General Election.

Just as he has lost the popular vote in the last 4 national elections.

As I have posted on a massive thread, Trump got 94% of the GOP vote in 2020 and STILL LOST.

he will get less than that in 2024.

good luck with him making up the deficit by winning independent and democrat party voters- who he trailed Biden 57 - 41 in 2020.

just as the leftists had to go down to crushing defeats in 1984 and 1988 for them to finally put up a decent candidate in 1992, apparently the Republican party is idiotic enough to keep wanting to lose elections with Trump.

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You must be really proud of all the obvious election fraud and cheating the dems are so invested in, it may become the underlying reason this once great country is quickly becoming a third-world state that may become so divided that internal war is inevitable.

barbacoa taco said:

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bobbranco said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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bobbranco said:

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LMCane said:

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Wrong.
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for them to finally put up a decent candidate in 1992

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Give me break.

This is where you analysis is flat out suspect and why nobody should listen to your criticisms because you reveal yourself to be Democrat because you considered and continue to consider Clinton a decent candidate.

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He won twice. Cope harder. Alternatively, vote better.

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So did Obama.

And yet you whine about the stupid electorate. Explain to me how Clinton and Obama were successfully elected. Be honest. I will obviously need to wait a long time for an honest answer from you.

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Clinton and Obama pretty solidly won their elections, all of them. They were popular presidents.

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Clinton never got 50% either time and 1992 was only 43%.

ArbAg said:

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lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

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I had to read this three times and then get a running start to make it through without laughing.

ArbAg said:

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Ag with kids said:

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ArbAg said:

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lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

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Y'all keep saying he "scares" everyone.

You're confusing fear with hatred. They HATE Trump.

It's not fear that is driving people to not want him in office.

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Hate? Okay, hate! Not being an established politician and exposing all the corruption (many decades worth) makes him hated by dems, reps, deep state and liberal media. The same thing that makes him loved by the millions who will elect him into office again.

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Ran in 2000.

Won in 2016.

Lost* in 2020

Kept helping others lose since then.


How is he not an "established politician" after 24 yrs (at least) in politics?

ArbAg said:

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lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

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Like $8T in spending?

Like additional infringement of gun rights via bans of accessories?

Like feeling entitled to PAC donations to pay for his own personal legal problems?





So conservative

Much anti-establishment,. Wow.

C@LAg said:

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ArbAg said:

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lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

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Like $8T in spending?

Like additional infringement of gun rights via bans of accessories?

Like feeling entitled to PAC donations to pay for his own personal legal problems?





So conservative

Much anti-establishment,. Wow.

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He didn't ban any accessories. The DOJ clarified that bump stocks are considered the same as automatic weapons which were already regulated.

You forgot to mention that Trump was responsible for preventing the SSA from disclosing to the FBI (for gun background checks) if people were receiving mental health benefits.

You can keep pretending that Trump is anti-2A, but that's not accurate at all.

jwhaby said:

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C@LAg said:

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ArbAg said:

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lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

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Like $8T in spending?

Like additional infringement of gun rights via bans of accessories?

Like feeling entitled to PAC donations to pay for his own personal legal problems?





So conservative

Much anti-establishment,. Wow.

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He didn't ban any accessories. The DOJ clarified that bump stocks are considered the same as automatic weapons which were already regulated.

You forgot to mention that Trump was responsible for preventing the SSA from disclosing to the FBI (for gun background checks) if people were receiving mental health benefits.

You can keep pretending that Trump is anti-2A, but that's not accurate at all.

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Oh...I forgot. He wasn't the head of the executive branch when an agency made that decision all on their own.

BTW, it was the ATF.

Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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C@LAg said:

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ArbAg said:

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lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

---

Like $8T in spending?

Like additional infringement of gun rights via bans of accessories?

Like feeling entitled to PAC donations to pay for his own personal legal problems?





So conservative

Much anti-establishment,. Wow.

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He didn't ban any accessories. The DOJ clarified that bump stocks are considered the same as automatic weapons which were already regulated.

You forgot to mention that Trump was responsible for preventing the SSA from disclosing to the FBI (for gun background checks) if people were receiving mental health benefits.

You can keep pretending that Trump is anti-2A, but that's not accurate at all.

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Oh...I forgot. He wasn't the head of the executive branch when an agency made that decision all on their own.

BTW, it was the ATF.

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What was the ATF?

jwhaby said:

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Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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C@LAg said:

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ArbAg said:

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lbcshort said:

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Trump is not a Republican! He never was and is not now. If someone other than himself was on the ballot, he would not vote for the Republican candidate and has said so. He is Trump.

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It's a good thing that Trump is not a Republican, he's a populist that looks past the pathetic greedy interests of Republicans and Democrats. His anti-establishment views scare both parties and are refreshing to those of us who actually pay income taxes and value Constitutional individual freedoms.

---

Like $8T in spending?

Like additional infringement of gun rights via bans of accessories?

Like feeling entitled to PAC donations to pay for his own personal legal problems?





So conservative

Much anti-establishment,. Wow.

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He didn't ban any accessories. The DOJ clarified that bump stocks are considered the same as automatic weapons which were already regulated.

You forgot to mention that Trump was responsible for preventing the SSA from disclosing to the FBI (for gun background checks) if people were receiving mental health benefits.

You can keep pretending that Trump is anti-2A, but that's not accurate at all.

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Oh...I forgot. He wasn't the head of the executive branch when an agency made that decision all on their own.

BTW, it was the ATF.

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What was the ATF?

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*******s That F-ing need to go away?

But, if your point was that the DOJ is over the ATF, you're correct.

And Trump was over the DOJ..........