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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.
I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,
My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.
And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .
I do not vote for liberals.
You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.
However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.
Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.
When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.
Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.
I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.
Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.
I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.
Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.
It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.
Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.
You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.
Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.
We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...
Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.
That is what you are doing, too.
If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.
Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."
On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.
First, holy wall of text, Batman...
Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".
Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.
Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.
Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.
Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around
Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.
A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.
Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position. If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination? Blaming someone else is just an excuse. Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.
Maga put us in this position by voting for "revenge" or whatever over actual effective conservative policy (with an assist from the establishment doing everything they can to keep Haley in). It's 100% their fault. And now we have two 80 year olds who can barely string together a coherent sentence running for the most important position in the world.
MAGA didn't do anything. Keep blaming others. It will get you far in life. Loser mentality.
Nope, loser mentality is crying like a toddler about cheating every single time you lose.
I'm not concerned with the past. There's no crying here. Just making the right choice going forward. You're the only person wishing for Desantis and crying about him not being an option.
You've got to have a line somewhere. For some of us, Trump's character crosses the line of what we can vote for. Are you saying you would vote for literally anyone with an R next to their name?
There's no hard line for me. Character matters but only in relative terms. Do Trump's flaws (extramarital affairs, disparaging comments about veterans, name calling, etc.) exceed those of Biden (selling out his country in connection with his sleepy son, weaponizing the DOJ against Americans, putting our country at risk through energy dependence, etc.)? They're both not good people, but if you force me to choose, I'll take Trump because his character flaws are more along moral lines (between him and God) rather than being illegal. Also, Trump's wrongdoings tend to be against individuals rather than against our entire nation.
I can tell you definitively that I will vote for any candidate in the general election that has an R next to their name. I will never vote Democrat (I don't believe in their policies) and I won't vote third-party (even if it is a more moral candidate with better policies) because they have no realistic chance of winning. It would feel good to vote for a "perfect" third-party candidate, but I know the Democrats will vote party line, so I feel that I have to vote Republican to counteract that. It's almost like a chess match where you take a defensive position until you're able to advance and go on the offensive (I'm not a chess player btw, so maybe this a poor analogy).
I feel like conservatives need to hold on during this election, hope that Trump can make some progress the next four years and then set up someone like Desantis for a historic 8 year run. I'm afraid that if the Democrats win this year, they will rig the system permanently so that no conservative ever has a chance to win again.
