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The slow drip is not good.

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Slow drip will become a fast drip long about Sept / October.

[If we make it that far]

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Clinton has 0 use left for the DNC and has already mostly been mee tooed. If theres videos taking Trump down, the left would trade Clinton in a heartbeat as collateral damage. As to why none of the videos have been documented and released showing powerful people, its either:

1. Underwhelming as to whom they can actually nail down (the big names being accused aren't documented) Your occams razor
2. This was a CIA honeypot and theres a lot of bad guys we controlled through Epstein. That sounds crazy and conspiratorial on its face but thats the only way I can square kid glove prosecution on a serial sexual predator.

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Why is this conspiratorial? Of all the things our federal government has been caught doing and you don't think it's reasonable for people to think that the head of a prostitution ring involving underage girls getting the kid gloves may be involved with the government in some form?

It's shocking to me the amount of faith people have in our federal government still such that they don't more routinely question the motives and ethics of those they allow to have power over them.

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CIA?

Why would the CIA hire a person with known ties to Mossad to run something like this? Maybe the CIA was in on it but this was a Mossad program if it was anything.

A number of important Israeli politicians were visiting Epstein as well as American. Between that and Maxwell's family history it should be clear.

You're missing the forest for the trees. My argument is that it is not conspiratorial to think that our government had involvement in this in some fashion. It's basic pattern recognition. You can argue about whatever portion of our government was involved with whatever foreign agency you want. The idea that calling this conspiratorial as though our federal government hasn't shown that they love to engage in conspiracies against people is just laughable.

This is what I mean by threading the needle. Don Jr is posting about the same drop of docs and saying that they should be investigated but doesn't mention his Dad.

This seems like a big deal and if true why has nothing been done about it?

Breaking News: Court documents allege Jeffrey Epstein recorded sex tapes of Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, and Sir Richard Branson.

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) January 8, 2024

I havent seen the docs, but do they specifically state those three are on film? Do they say anything about Trump being on film?

Is what Jr saying either inaccurate or untrue?

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I havent seen the docs, but do they specifically state those three are on film? Do they say anything about Trump being on film?

Is what Jr saying either inaccurate or untrue?

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It has been widely known that Epstein's homes had widespread security cameras and recording equipment throughout them. Where they are now nor even if they exist at this point is the question.

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Some new drops about Trump. Nothing controversial except it looks like he was a regular at Epstein's house in Palm Beach and interestingly ate with the staff in the kitchen. So he flew on his plane, saw him at parties, and hung out at his house. Nothing about women though so that's good.

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So why did you even post this!

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Seriously. He's trying SO hard to say anything OTHER than, "There is no evidence of Donald Trump having sex with underaged women" and tries to throw red herring after red herring out there. Poor TDS-infested lunatic.

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It's a freaking Daily Mail article that Tim Pool talked about and Don Junior tweeted about.

My question is this:

Were any of these people aware of the fact that they were being honeypotted?

-Either they new, and did it anyway,

-were already compromised and didn't care.

-or they were too stupid to understand what was going on.

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I havent seen the docs, but do they specifically state those three are on film? Do they say anything about Trump being on film?

Is what Jr saying either inaccurate or untrue?

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This is the link if you want to read it Daily Mail

A little graphic and talks about some fetish stuff for Trump as well as some of the others such as Clinton and Brin. As I said it also has the accusations and the recanting and back and forth. My point on Junior is he linked the article and mentioned how it listed others but didn't mention how it talked about Trump. That's just not smart. You can't really push out an article that was recanted to make your Dad look ok but then say that the other people listed were guilty. It makes no sense. Either deny it all or deny none of it.

I just think Trump is going to have a very hard time saying that everyone else mentioned in the Epstein stuff was guilty and is scum but he was completely innocent. None of it is going to stand up in Court unless the pictures come out or a witness is willing to stand by their testimony so it's not about legal liability. So how do you say that you should read what this woman is saying about Clinton but the part she says about Trump is false? That's the line he is walking right now.

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I havent seen the docs, but do they specifically state those three are on film? Do they say anything about Trump being on film?

Is what Jr saying either inaccurate or untrue?

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This is the link if you want to read it Daily Mail

A little graphic and talks about some fetish stuff for Trump as well as some of the others such as Clinton and Brin. As I said it also has the accusations and the recanting and back and forth. My point on Junior is he linked the article and mentioned how it listed others but didn't mention how it talked about Trump. That's just not smart. You can't really push out an article that was recanted to make your Dad look ok but then say that the other people listed were guilty. It makes no sense. Either deny it all or deny none of it.

I just think Trump is going to have a very hard time saying that everyone else mentioned in the Epstein stuff was guilty and is scum but he was completely innocent. None of it is going to stand up in Court unless the pictures come out or a witness is willing to stand by their testimony so it's not about legal liability. So how do you say that you should read what this woman is saying about Clinton but the part she says about Trump is false? That's the line he is walking right now.

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Perhaps she is just telling the truth?! Lots of Cray Cray around this place!

🚨 VICTIM SARAH SCARED OF EPSTEIN, CLINTON, AND TRUMP

"What they did was wrong and I have spent the last 10 years trying to forget what happened on that Island. There are more girls Maureen. More then you can ever imagine. They're scared and so am I but Jeffery, Clinton, and… https://t.co/fpL8sRr82v pic.twitter.com/WhHlWHEfpd

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 8, 2024

no idea if true or not, but

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Also included in Monday's document unsealing is an exhibit that contains emails sent by Ransome to a New York Post reporter in the fall of 2016.
In those messages, Ransome made allegations that implicated former Presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, Prince Andrew and Richard Branson. She also described alleged videotape evidence she claimed to possess that would back up her allegations but said she could not provide it, according to the messages.

Ransome subsequently told the New York Post reporter, who did not publish any story related to the allegations, that she wanted to "retract everything I have said to you and walk away from this," according to an unsealed message from October 2016.

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/new-round-jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-unsealed/story?id=106174129

This is the 'retraction' from Epstein victim Sarah Ransome that MAGA believes totally exonerates Donald Trump (and I guess Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew too).

Read it.

"I want to walk away from this...I shouldn't have contacted you and I'm sorry I wasted your time. It's not…

— Peter Henlein (@SwissWatchGuy) January 8, 2024

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Some new drops about Trump. Nothing controversial except it looks like he was a regular at Epstein's house in Palm Beach and interestingly ate with the staff in the kitchen. So he flew on his plane, saw him at parties, and hung out at his house. Nothing about women though so that's good.

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So why did you even post this!

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Seriously. He's trying SO hard to say anything OTHER than, "There is no evidence of Donald Trump having sex with underaged women" and tries to throw red herring after red herring out there. Poor TDS-infested lunatic.

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It's a freaking Daily Mail article that Tim Pool talked about and Don Junior tweeted about.

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Nope; you have one of the worst cases of TDS I've ever seen. I like to imagine you shoving that infamous knit hat wearing, four-eyed liberal woman screaming so you could sit down & scream louder!!

Seriously, every "Maga" that I know has unequivocally said ALL pedos must pay, including those complicit in the abuse, which is one reason many of us at least support Trump's efforts to prevent & punish human trafficking; still, if Trump is indeed a pedo, he must pay. Yet you ignore Trump's efforts, and instead try to indict Trump at every chance without any semblance of logic or facts, and when others ask for the evidentiary support for your opinion, you lash out with obtuse counterpoints & labels. You've completely swallowed the MSM kool-aid; try a different schtick or get help.

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I haven't ignored them at all. I have praised Trump and given him credit for his actions multiple times. It does matter though that his actions against Epstein were AFTER he had fallen out with Epstein though in 2004.

BTW, this is an AP article that just came out with more details from the records released. I mean maybe you can read this and tell me I have TDS and there is nothing to worry about:

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In her deposition, Giuffre said the summer she turned 17, she was lured away from a job as a spa attendant at Trump's Mar-a-Lago club to become a "masseuse" for Epstein a job that involved performing sexual acts.

She settled a lawsuit against Prince Andrew in 2022 in which she claimed he had sexually abused her during a trip to London. That same year, Giuffre withdrew an accusation she had made against Epstein's former attorney, law professor Alan Dershowitz, saying she " may have made a mistake " in identifying him as an abuser.

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AP Article with Court documents

Giuffre is the key witness that has come forward and the one who settled with Prince Andrew. I didn't realize she was working at MAL when she was recruiting by Epstein.

Here is something "good" for Trump:

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Clinton's name also came up because Giuffre was questioned by Maxwell's lawyers about inaccuracies in newspaper reports about her time with Epstein, including a story quoting her as saying she had ridden in a helicopter with Clinton and flirted with Trump. Giuffre said neither of those things actually happened.

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On the way to New York, Sjoberg testified, Epstein's jet diverted to Atlantic City, New Jersey, and spent a few hours at one of Donald Trump's casinos, because of bad weather.

Upon hearing the change of plans, Sjoberg recalled Epstein saying, "Great, we'll call up Trump and we'll go to" the casino. Sjoberg wasn't asked if they'd met up with Trump that night. Later in her testimony, she said she was never asked to give Trump a massage.

Sjoberg also testified that though she never met Clinton, Epstein once remarked to her that "Clinton likes them young," a remark she took as a reference to young women or girls.

Clinton has previously said through a spokesperson that while he traveled on Epstein's jet several times, he never visited his homes, had no knowledge of his crimes, and hadn't spoken to him since his conviction. Trump has also said that he once thought Epstein was a "terrific guy," but that they later had a falling out.

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The falling out was over a Real Estate Deal in 2004 btw. Trump booted Epstein from MAL in 2007.

Look, if you want to ignore all of this or attack me for simply posting Court documents go ahead but you are shooting the messenger.

Stop with your obsession. It's disgusting.

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Stop with your obsession. It's disgusting.

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So it doesn't bother you that the girl who settled her case with Prince Andrew for sexual abuse gave sworn testimony she was recruited by Epstein from Mar a Lago while under age? Nothing to see here? I'm the "obsessed" and "disgusting" one for posting it?

This is a thread started by someone else about Epstein Court Docs that are being released, that's all I am doing. If you don't want to read about what is being released just don't read it.

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Stop with your obsession. It's disgusting.

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So it doesn't bother you that the girl who settled her case with Prince Andrew for sexual abuse gave sworn testimony she was recruited by Epstein from Mar a Lago while under age? Nothing to see here? I'm the "obsessed" and "disgusting" one for posting it?

This is a thread started by someone else about Epstein Court Docs that are being released, that's all I am doing. If you don't want to read about what is being released just don't read it.

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Yes it's disgusting, doesn't mean that DJT is involved.

Lol at the timing of this Epstein drop.

right out the gate in 2024.

If you were contacted by someone claiming to represent Hillary Clinton and the tone of their language came across that she wasn't happy and it started to feel threatening to you what would you do?

You know who isn't on any of these Epstein lists?

Ron DeSantis

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Stop with your obsession. It's disgusting.

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So it doesn't bother you that the girl who settled her case with Prince Andrew for sexual abuse gave sworn testimony she was recruited by Epstein from Mar a Lago while under age? Nothing to see here? I'm the "obsessed" and "disgusting" one for posting it?

This is a thread started by someone else about Epstein Court Docs that are being released, that's all I am doing. If you don't want to read about what is being released just don't read it.

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Did she work MAL? The article says "she was turned away." That sounds like she was not hired.

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Some new drops about Trump. Nothing controversial except it looks like he was a regular at Epstein's house in Palm Beach and interestingly ate with the staff in the kitchen. So he flew on his plane, saw him at parties, and hung out at his house. Nothing about women though so that's good.

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So why did you even post this!

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Seriously. He's trying SO hard to say anything OTHER than, "There is no evidence of Donald Trump having sex with underaged women" and tries to throw red herring after red herring out there. Poor TDS-infested lunatic.

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OR, one could just as equally state with 100% accuracy that the SAME people up in arms over Clinton having been with Epstein so many times, are completely silent about the FACT that Trump was also with Epstein many times.

But somehow the Trumpers WITH NO EVIDENCE AS ALWAYS are claiming it was Clinton that is a pedo, but Trump had nothing to do with women being offered by Epstein.

When everyone knows and Trump has himself admitted he has had affairs on all three of his wives.

the only question is are these Trumpers:

1) so blinded by their fanaticism that they don't see their hypocrisy, or


2) they do realize they are massive hypocrites but don't care about lying.

So as a liberal, Biden is your guy, right?

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You know who isn't on any of these Epstein lists?

Ron DeSantis

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Ronnie was in the wrong tax bracket for Epstein, so he had the Walmart version actually in his administration

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Stop with your obsession. It's disgusting.

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So it doesn't bother you that the girl who settled her case with Prince Andrew for sexual abuse gave sworn testimony she was recruited by Epstein from Mar a Lago while under age? Nothing to see here? I'm the "obsessed" and "disgusting" one for posting it?

This is a thread started by someone else about Epstein Court Docs that are being released, that's all I am doing. If you don't want to read about what is being released just don't read it.

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Did she work MAL? The article says "she was turned away." That sounds like she was not hired.

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"lured away" not turned away.

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Some new drops about Trump. Nothing controversial except it looks like he was a regular at Epstein's house in Palm Beach and interestingly ate with the staff in the kitchen. So he flew on his plane, saw him at parties, and hung out at his house. Nothing about women though so that's good.

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So why did you even post this!

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Seriously. He's trying SO hard to say anything OTHER than, "There is no evidence of Donald Trump having sex with underaged women" and tries to throw red herring after red herring out there. Poor TDS-infested lunatic.

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OR, one could just as equally state with 100% accuracy that the SAME people up in arms over Clinton having been with Epstein so many times, are completely silent about the FACT that Trump was also with Epstein many times.

But somehow the Trumpers WITH NO EVIDENCE AS ALWAYS are claiming it was Clinton that is a pedo, but Trump had nothing to do with women being offered by Epstein.

When everyone knows and Trump has himself admitted he has had affairs on all three of his wives.

the only question is are these Trumpers:

1) so blinded by their fanaticism that they don't see their hypocrisy, or


2) they do realize they are massive hypocrites but don't care about lying.

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or we have looked at all the information and come to believe that Trump is a womanizer and an adulterer but, there is little to no evidence showing him to be a pedophile like hb, jb, or bc. Much of this has been deduced, in the fact, that had there been evidence of this nature, it would have come out long ago by all you deep state protectors at a much cheaper cost, than all of the witch hunts conducted previously and currently.

.......and should the information change beyond being on epsteins jet or in his house, we preserve our rights to change judgement.

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Stop with your obsession. It's disgusting.

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So it doesn't bother you that the girl who settled her case with Prince Andrew for sexual abuse gave sworn testimony she was recruited by Epstein from Mar a Lago while under age? Nothing to see here? I'm the "obsessed" and "disgusting" one for posting it?

This is a thread started by someone else about Epstein Court Docs that are being released, that's all I am doing. If you don't want to read about what is being released just don't read it.

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Yes it's disgusting, doesn't mean that DJT is involved.

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Depends on the definition of "involved", that's the point. The absolute best case scenario is he spent a considerable amount of time with Epstein at parties, his house, his plane, and at MAL and one of the woman who ended up settling a lawsuit with Prince Andrew and has accused many others of having a variety of escapades was hired away by Epstein while she was a waitress at MAL. Yet Trump didn't do anything illegal (which I believe) and either didn't know about what Epstein was doing and chose to maintain his relationship with Epstein for years after.

That last part is where it gets problematic. Trump gets credit for kicking Epstein out of MAL in 2007 (over a 14 year old, this woman above was 17 and well before then) and then cooperating with the lawyer who was looking into Epstein after that. The issue is Trump and Epstein had already fallen out over a Real Estate deal and prior to the Real Estate deal he had this relationship with Epstein for well over a decade. During that decade is when most of the nasty stuff occurred with Epstein.

I'm having trouble believing Trump didn't know Epstein was into some bad stuff and the fact he ended up cooperating actually shows he did to an extent. That's why the fact Trump's falling out with Epstein over Real Estate and not over whatever activities he was engaged in is relevant. I brushed it off before because I didn't think Trump knew him that well and they just were in some of the same circles but that is looking to be less and less of the case. It appears Trump spent a considerable amount of time with Epstein, Epstein recruited at least one underage girl (17 so not too young) from MAL successfully and then years later Trump kicked him out for messing around with a 14 year old there.

So I see no evidence he broke the law. There is definitely evidence of "involvement" though. I guess it just depends on how close someone could be with Epstein before they become toxic and different people have different definitions of what that is. At a minimum though if you are ok with Trump's actions you shouldn't be criticizing anyone outside of those who were directly charged with sleeping with minors though. It's also clear by the other testimony that the island was just one of several locations Epstein was using for his activities, he didn't even buy the island until 1998.

If any of the facts I listed are wrong it is not intentional and I am happy to correct them, this is just what I am seeing put out there.

Trump would've been outted already if there were something there. I think his relationship with Epstein was one of casual acquaintence on friendly terms until Epstein's banishment from MAL.

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It's also clear by the other testimony that the island was just one of several locations Epstein was using for his activities, he didn't even buy the island until 1998.

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His Zorro Ranch near Santa Fe has been reported to be one of them.

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Trump would've been outted already if there were something there. I think his relationship with Epstein was one of casual acquaintence on friendly terms until Epstein's banishment from MAL.

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That is what I have thought as well up until some of this new evidence. Some of these women coming forward are going to be a problem as well.

This is the woman who "retracted" her testimony saying she was threatened by Maxwell if she came forward.

‼️BREAKING! Epstein victim Sarah Ransome DOUBLES DOWN on her claims!

She says the only reason that she previously retracted her statements is because her life was threatened by Ghislaine Maxwell!

This is the woman who named Donald Trump! pic.twitter.com/bNikR1vsmf

— Chris Nelson 🇺🇸 🏝 (@ReOpenChris) January 9, 2024

New account from an Epstein accuser talking about meeting with Trump.

Maria Farmer (Epstein Victim) speaks out on Maxwell, Epstein, and Donald Trump. This is compelling stuff. pic.twitter.com/ToCiPUtOYO

— Unfiltered☢Boss (@Unfilteredboss1) January 9, 2024

Don't know how credible either is but more of this is going to be in the press.