Epstien list names unsealed......

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Science Denier said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

one safe place said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?
You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol
There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.
Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.
I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.
The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.
No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.
The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.
Yes, that's why Trump has a disapproval rating around 60%. I also don't recall Trump ever talking about how Epstein called him up when he wanted to party at his Casino but maybe you can link to that.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

I don't see any 60% there.
You are celebrating because his average disapproval has "improved" to 53% at the moment? K.
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TresPuertas said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Aggies2009 said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

one safe place said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?
You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol
There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.
Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.
I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.
The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.
No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.
The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.
Yes, that's why Trump has a disapproval rating around 60%. I also don't recall Trump ever talking about how Epstein called him up when he wanted to party at his Casino but maybe you can link to that.
I was going to try to avoid responding to this but you need to take a step back and critically think about the argument you're making here.

Calling a Casino owner up and letting them know youre coming is standard procedure for the rich. You're trying to say this makes Trump a nefarious character and guilty by association because Epstein called to get special treatment.

Ever been to Vegas? This is SOP.

Whats not SOP is flying down on said billionaire's jet to an island filled with underage girls and having rape orgies with them. Thats where the focus should be. The flight logs and manifests. Not if Epstein called Trump to get a suite comped.
I'm not saying it is nefarious. It sure doesn't look good though that a witness is saying they wanted to go party at Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump. The best case is Epstein was doing whatever he was doing on a Trump property and Trump knew at least something about it. It also lends to the logic this wasn't a one time thing and that Epstein could have invited Trump to party with him if he was in town.

It's about appearances and how much it takes to thread the needle to show that Trump is completely innocent while everyone else who's name is mentioned anywhere needs to be burned at the stake. Personally I think Trump just liked to party and screw around with adult women who were consenting but it's pretty easy to take the same facts and make Trump look really bad.

Sorry a lot of you don't want to hear that but when the arguments are "well he flew on the plane 7 times but they were all innnocent" and "he called him up to party at his Casino but it was all innocent" and "there are pictures of them hanging out and joking around at parties but those are all innocent" that's a dangerous game to play. It's especially dangerous when you want to say that everyone else is guilty.

We also don't know what else may come out.

Carry on though and blame me for bringing it up.
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aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Aggies2009 said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

one safe place said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?
You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol
There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.
Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.
I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.
The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.
No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.
The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.
Yes, that's why Trump has a disapproval rating around 60%. I also don't recall Trump ever talking about how Epstein called him up when he wanted to party at his Casino but maybe you can link to that.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

I don't see any 60% there.
You are celebrating because his average disapproval has "improved" to 53% at the moment? K.
No. Celebrating? LMAO!!

Pointing out your error. You didn't say that at some point in the past, Trump had a disapproval around 60%. You said has a disapproval of 60%. That's wrong.
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Rockdoc said:

When you (as you say) vote for Trump in the general, your walk back post are going to be great reading. I can hold my nose and vote for Trump, but I'm not gonna make a fool of myself with over the top and all consuming TDS. Good luck to you.
K. I think most politicians are scumbags so it's usually a choice of the lesser of 2 evils. It's a no brainer to vote Trump over any D but that doesn't mean I am going to pretend Trump is anything but what he is. He's still 1000x better than Biden but that's like saying I am rooting for OU against Texas.
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Rockdoc said:

When you (as you say) vote for Trump in the general, your walk back post are going to be great reading. I can hold my nose and vote for Trump, but I'm not gonna make a fool of myself with over the top and all consuming TDS. Good luck to you.
Trump openly lying about Desantis and slandering him and calling him all types of childish names...implying Desantis is effeminate for wearing boot lifts, while Trump cakes on more makeup in a day than my wife does in a month...has honestly rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. Most of us will hold our noses and vote for the big lying hypocritical baby, but some will not.

HE DID THIS. He relentlessly lied about and smeared the best and most conservative governor this nation has seen in decades, maybe more. And constantly attacks him from the left.
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aggie93 said:

Rockdoc said:

When you (as you say) vote for Trump in the general, your walk back post are going to be great reading. I can hold my nose and vote for Trump, but I'm not gonna make a fool of myself with over the top and all consuming TDS. Good luck to you.
K. I think most politicians are scumbags so it's usually a choice of the lesser of 2 evils. It's a no brainer to vote Trump over any D but that doesn't mean I am going to pretend Trump is anything but what he is. He's still 1000x better than Biden but that's like saying I am rooting for OU against Texas.

I think you and I would both like to ultimately see the same thing, but unless Trump backs out it's pretty much set in stone. And unfortunately he's never gonna back out.
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Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Aggies2009 said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

one safe place said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?
You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol
There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.
Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.
I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.
The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.
No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.
The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.
Yes, that's why Trump has a disapproval rating around 60%. I also don't recall Trump ever talking about how Epstein called him up when he wanted to party at his Casino but maybe you can link to that.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

I don't see any 60% there.
You are celebrating because his average disapproval has "improved" to 53% at the moment? K.
No. Celebrating? LMAO!!

Pointing out your error. You didn't say that at some point in the past, Trump had a disapproval around 60%. You said has a disapproval of 60%. That's wrong.
Sorry I don't look at the RCP average every day but congrats? I guess I don't see much of a difference in an average floating from around 60% to around 53% but I guess you got me.
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Sorry a lot of you don't want to hear that but when the arguments are "well he flew on the plane 7 times but they were all innnocent" and "he called him up to party at his Casino but it was all innocent" and "there are pictures of them hanging out and joking around at parties but those are all innocent" that's a dangerous game to play. It's especially dangerous when you want to say that everyone else is guilty.
1. Those arguments have already been made by the media, and way before this story came out.
2. Those arguments were not bought by anyone, including the left
3. That's why the media dropped that narrative as it was just too stupid to believe
4. If anything, this list proves Trump was nowhere near pedo island, and backs up the Trump case from then.

Only the truly TDS infected individuals think this report hurts Trump.

Oh, and there is this:

USA Today
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Trump's name appears in a document in which Epstein is quoted as saying he would invite the then-real estate mogul to join him at a casino. In another document, a witness said she was never asked to engage in sexual relations with Trump.
Seems to me nobody actually called Trump.
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aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

one safe place said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?
You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol
There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.
Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.
I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.
You sure seem to spend a lot of energy associating Trump to Epstein every chance you can get. Despite the evidence showing that Trump did nothing wrong. Almost like you are trying to help blur the hell out of those lines.
Ugh. Obviously I am a DeSantis supporter but I also realize Trump is the likely nominee. So if he is the nominee this stuff doesn't just magically go away. If you want to close your eyes go ahead but this is how this is going to play out in the media. I'll vote for Trump over any D but I'm not going to carry water for him.
Maybe you shouldn't pour concrete into his water bucket for no reason.


When there is no evil then you shouldn't make it up.
I'm just pointing out facts. I said I didn't think Trump did anything wrong. You are saying I should ignore any evidence because there isn't absolute proof Trump did something wrong. I'm sure you feel the same about everyone else listed in the Epstein docs, right? Or is it only Trump who gets the benefit of the doubt because he is such an upstanding and moral guy? Or am I not supposed to question this because Trump will likely be the nominee and the act of me putting the facts together makes me the enemy?

Just want to make sure I understand the rules.
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aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Aggies2009 said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

one safe place said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?
You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol
There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.
Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.
I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.
The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.
No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.
The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.
Yes, that's why Trump has a disapproval rating around 60%. I also don't recall Trump ever talking about how Epstein called him up when he wanted to party at his Casino but maybe you can link to that.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

I don't see any 60% there.
You are celebrating because his average disapproval has "improved" to 53% at the moment? K.
No. Celebrating? LMAO!!

Pointing out your error. You didn't say that at some point in the past, Trump had a disapproval around 60%. You said has a disapproval of 60%. That's wrong.
Sorry I don't look at the RCP average every day but congrats? I guess I don't see much of a difference in an average floating from around 60% to around 53% but I guess you got me.


It's a big difference and you look ignorant continuing to argue about it. Apologize for being wrong and move on.
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MSM marching orders.

'Cover this story but all Epstein content must have a Trump angle.'
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aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

one safe place said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?
You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol
There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.
Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.
I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.
You sure seem to spend a lot of energy associating Trump to Epstein every chance you can get. Despite the evidence showing that Trump did nothing wrong. Almost like you are trying to help blur the hell out of those lines.
Ugh. Obviously I am a DeSantis supporter but I also realize Trump is the likely nominee. So if he is the nominee this stuff doesn't just magically go away. If you want to close your eyes go ahead but this is how this is going to play out in the media. I'll vote for Trump over any D but I'm not going to carry water for him.
Maybe you shouldn't pour concrete into his water bucket for no reason.


When there is no evil then you shouldn't make it up.
I'm just pointing out facts. I said I didn't think Trump did anything wrong. You are saying I should ignore any evidence because there isn't absolute proof Trump did something wrong. I'm sure you feel the same about everyone else listed in the Epstein docs, right? Or is it only Trump who gets the benefit of the doubt because he is such an upstanding and moral guy? Or am I not supposed to question this because Trump will likely be the nominee and the act of me putting the facts together makes me the enemy?

Just want to make sure I understand the rules.
The rules: Don't imply falsehoods and "evil" and then pretend you are merely "asking questions" or "pointing out facts".

LOL.. dude this entire thread is you trying to argue he did something wrong. You guys have been claiming that he should have flown his own plane instead of riding in Epstein. It's been ridiculous. You are making DeSantis fans look bad.

Bash Trump because he's a big spending liberal. Don't make crap up.
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mpl35 said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Aggies2009 said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

one safe place said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?
You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol
There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.
Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.
I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.
The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.
No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.
The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.
Yes, that's why Trump has a disapproval rating around 60%. I also don't recall Trump ever talking about how Epstein called him up when he wanted to party at his Casino but maybe you can link to that.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

I don't see any 60% there.
You are celebrating because his average disapproval has "improved" to 53% at the moment? K.
No. Celebrating? LMAO!!

Pointing out your error. You didn't say that at some point in the past, Trump had a disapproval around 60%. You said has a disapproval of 60%. That's wrong.
Sorry I don't look at the RCP average every day but congrats? I guess I don't see much of a difference in an average floating from around 60% to around 53% but I guess you got me.


It's a big difference and you look ignorant continuing to argue about it. Apologize for being wrong and move on.
Uh, I did apologize. It's also not a big difference especially when you consider some of the garbage polls in the RCP average.
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aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

aTmAg said:

aggie93 said:

one safe place said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?
You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol
There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.
Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.
I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.
You sure seem to spend a lot of energy associating Trump to Epstein every chance you can get. Despite the evidence showing that Trump did nothing wrong. Almost like you are trying to help blur the hell out of those lines.
Ugh. Obviously I am a DeSantis supporter but I also realize Trump is the likely nominee. So if he is the nominee this stuff doesn't just magically go away. If you want to close your eyes go ahead but this is how this is going to play out in the media. I'll vote for Trump over any D but I'm not going to carry water for him.
Maybe you shouldn't pour concrete into his water bucket for no reason.


When there is no evil then you shouldn't make it up.
I'm just pointing out facts. I said I didn't think Trump did anything wrong. You are saying I should ignore any evidence because there isn't absolute proof Trump did something wrong. I'm sure you feel the same about everyone else listed in the Epstein docs, right? Or is it only Trump who gets the benefit of the doubt because he is such an upstanding and moral guy? Or am I not supposed to question this because Trump will likely be the nominee and the act of me putting the facts together makes me the enemy?

Just want to make sure I understand the rules.
The rules: Don't imply falsehoods and "evil" and then pretend you are merely "asking questions" or "pointing out facts".

LOL.. dude this entire thread is you trying to argue he did something wrong. You guys have been claiming that he should have flown his own plane instead of riding in Epstein. It's been ridiculous. You are making DeSantis fans look bad.

Bash Trump because he's a big spending liberal. Don't make crap up.
Saying I implied "evil" is a stretch. That saying is about ignoring facts or at leas that is what is intended. If you misunderstood that apologies, I just assumed people knew that saying. As for the facts I'm not sorry for laying those out, it's important to try and be objective. I've said repeatedly I don' t think Trump is a pedo or that he even did anything wrong. I do however think it is fair to judge Trump by the same standard as anyone else mentioned in the documents, some appear much more guilty than others but it is valid to look at the evidence and ask questions.

I never made the argument about him flying on his own plane so you can talk to someone else about that. I only said he DID fly on Epstein's plane 7 times and also pointed out they were domestic flights and gave locations. Facts.

I won't pretend to know Trump's motivations or to know everything he did or didn't do back then but that was a pretty wild period for him. It's known he was cheating on Wife #2 who he divorced in '99 and this was prior to Melania who he married in '05. Personally I think he was just a party boy and pretty careless in who he hung out with and he definitely loved to chase women but I have never heard he liked underage women.

The greater point to all of this is you are attacking me for pointing out what most other people who aren't Trump fans see and how this is going to be reported. They are going to tie Clinton and Trump together and either bury them both or let them slide or something in between. They aren't going to crucify Clinton and let Trump slide though.

The only way this has anything to do with DeSantis is these are things we don't have to worry about with him. Otherwise this is about issues we are going to have to deal with if Trump is the nominee and that seems likely. In the end my position is the same as it has been for a long time, I am voting DeSantis in the primary and any R in the General including Trump.

As for making "DeSantis fans look bad" I don't care. Trump is what he is and if people want that then they shoudl embrace it and not make excuses when it blows up later. We get what we vote for.

I do completely agree though there are many more and better reasons to not vote for Trump, unfortunately if it is Trump as the nominee all we are going to hear about his Trump and his legal issues or crap like this, it sure as hell isn't going to be about issues that matter to me. So hopefully the people in Iowa in 11 Days can change that.
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A video resurfaced Tuesday of attorney Bradley Edwards discussing former President Donald Trump's attitude and actions toward late child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein following the latter's first arrest.

Edwards has represented more than 70 victims of Jeffrey Epstein since 2009, and is largely credited with helping bring the child sex trafficker to justice. In a video that circulated online Tuesday, and originally released by the Conscious Resistance Network in 2018, Edwards told the site's founder Derrick Broze about his perspective on Trump's involvement in the situation.
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Broze cited a case brought against Trump by two former alleged victims of Epstein, which was dropped before reaching court, and asked Edwards' his opinion of the validity of the claims.
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"The only thing that I can say about President Trump is that he is the only person who in 2009, when I served a lot of subpoenas against a lot of people … he is the only person that picked up the phone and said, 'let's just talk, I'll give ya as much time as you want, I'll tell ya what you need to know,'" Bradley explained.
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"And [Trump] was very helpful in the information that he gave, and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever," Bradley continued. "But [he] had good information, that checked out, and that helped us, and that we didn't have to take a deposition of him."

Broze then asked if claims regarding Trump kicking Epstein out of Mar-a-Largo were true, to which Bradley replied that he'd "definitely heard that."
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Sorry a lot of you don't want to hear that but when the arguments are "well he flew on the plane 7 times but they were all innnocent" and "he called him up to party at his Casino but it was all innocent" and "there are pictures of them hanging out and joking around at parties but those are all innocent" that's a dangerous game to play. It's especially dangerous when you want to say that everyone else is guilty.
1. Those arguments have already been made by the media, and way before this story came out.
2. Those arguments were not bought by anyone, including the left
3. That's why the media dropped that narrative as it was just too stupid to believe
4. If anything, this list proves Trump was nowhere near pedo island, and backs up the Trump case from then.

Only the truly TDS infected individuals think this report hurts Trump.

Oh, and there is this:

USA Today
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Trump's name appears in a document in which Epstein is quoted as saying he would invite the then-real estate mogul to join him at a casino. In another document, a witness said she was never asked to engage in sexual relations with Trump.
Seems to me nobody actually called Trump.
No, that says that one witness said they called Trump and another witness said that she did not sleep with Trump. Epstein had a LOT of women so one saying she didn't sleep with Trump doesn't mean anything but that. There is no denial I am seeing about the call to Trump.

I also don't see how it doesn't hurt Trump to have his name splattered all over the papers again along with Clinton and reminding everyone how both of them had a relationship with Epstein even though Trump appears to have been much less suspicious than Clinton. As for the Left thinking Trump is in the clear you need your head examined if that's what you truly believe.
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A video resurfaced Tuesday of attorney Bradley Edwards discussing former President Donald Trump's attitude and actions toward late child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein following the latter's first arrest.

Edwards has represented more than 70 victims of Jeffrey Epstein since 2009, and is largely credited with helping bring the child sex trafficker to justice. In a video that circulated online Tuesday, and originally released by the Conscious Resistance Network in 2018, Edwards told the site's founder Derrick Broze about his perspective on Trump's involvement in the situation.
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Broze cited a case brought against Trump by two former alleged victims of Epstein, which was dropped before reaching court, and asked Edwards' his opinion of the validity of the claims.
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"The only thing that I can say about President Trump is that he is the only person who in 2009, when I served a lot of subpoenas against a lot of people … he is the only person that picked up the phone and said, 'let's just talk, I'll give ya as much time as you want, I'll tell ya what you need to know,'" Bradley explained.
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"And [Trump] was very helpful in the information that he gave, and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever," Bradley continued. "But [he] had good information, that checked out, and that helped us, and that we didn't have to take a deposition of him."

Broze then asked if claims regarding Trump kicking Epstein out of Mar-a-Largo were true, to which Bradley replied that he'd "definitely heard that."
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Trump definitely deserves credit for this.
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The association with Epstein leaves open the door for a Soros/DNC funded October '24 Surprise where someone's friends "urged her to reveal her story about Trump before it's too late".
I could see this.

Would bet that someone already got this teed up.
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So to go back to the actual topic at hand, and not the daily white knighting for Trump from the usual people.

A lot of the names appear to be either names that Epstein dropped in conversation with the woman who was giving the deposition/testimony, or people Epstein met because he happened to attend an event that person or persons also attended. Most of whom she never met, and couldn't even say if Epstein ever met them other than perhaps randomly at a party.

This is why accusing every single person mention in documents of being a criminal is stupid.
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Its being reported that Bill Gates and Bill Richardson are on the list
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Who's in it?
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aggie2812-2 said:

Who's in it?
Court releases 2nd batch of Epstein documents

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/05/epstein-documents-pdf-court-releases-second-set-read

I saw the news feed pop up on my phone. At work and don't have the time to go through it.
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MSM marching orders.

'Cover this story but all Epstein content must have a Trump angle.'


Read the article. Trump was mentioned four times. I think Clinton was 63 going off memory.

Article NEVER discussed how Trump was mentioned but just went on to use old quotes before he knew how bad he was.

Not a fan of Trump at all but you can smell the BS in that article
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aggie93 said:

TresPuertas said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?
You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol
There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.
Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.
I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.
The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.
No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.
The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.
Yes, that's why Trump has a disapproval rating around 60%. I also don't recall Trump ever talking about how Epstein called him up when he wanted to party at his Casino but maybe you can link to that.
I was going to try to avoid responding to this but you need to take a step back and critically think about the argument you're making here.

Calling a Casino owner up and letting them know youre coming is standard procedure for the rich. You're trying to say this makes Trump a nefarious character and guilty by association because Epstein called to get special treatment.

Ever been to Vegas? This is SOP.

Whats not SOP is flying down on said billionaire's jet to an island filled with underage girls and having rape orgies with them. Thats where the focus should be. The flight logs and manifests. Not if Epstein called Trump to get a suite comped.
I'm not saying it is nefarious. It sure doesn't look good though that a witness is saying they wanted to go party at Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump. The best case is Epstein was doing whatever he was doing on a Trump property and Trump knew at least something about it. It also lends to the logic this wasn't a one time thing and that Epstein could have invited Trump to party with him if he was in town.

It's about appearances and how much it takes to thread the needle to show that Trump is completely innocent while everyone else who's name is mentioned anywhere needs to be burned at the stake. Personally I think Trump just liked to party and screw around with adult women who were consenting but it's pretty easy to take the same facts and make Trump look really bad.

Sorry a lot of you don't want to hear that but when the arguments are "well he flew on the plane 7 times but they were all innnocent" and "he called him up to party at his Casino but it was all innocent" and "there are pictures of them hanging out and joking around at parties but those are all innocent" that's a dangerous game to play. It's especially dangerous when you want to say that everyone else is guilty.

We also don't know what else may come out.

Carry on though and blame me for bringing it up.


You should go over to the entertainment board and connect with TCCTS. He could help you produce your speculation into a script.
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Rapier108 said:

So to go back to the actual topic at hand, and not the daily white knighting for Trump from the usual people.

A lot of the names appear to be either names that Epstein dropped in conversation with the woman who was giving the deposition/testimony, or people Epstein met because he happened to attend an event that person or persons also attended. Most of whom she never met, and couldn't even say if Epstein ever met them other than perhaps randomly at a party.

This is why accusing every single person mention in documents of being a criminal is stupid.


If Trump was involved with any of this it would have been leaked years ago by the globalist shills. I think he's good on this one. Other than that, your statement probably rings true.
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Now are a few days to let the stupidity dust settle and let all the different media outlets going to their corner's to start the speculation drivel narrative that fits their prospective agendas, when do we really start asking the real questions that aren't being answered and where is the unsealed evidence that is not being released, because there's mountains of it that would put 80% of the speculation and opinion nonsense to rest.

In 2005 Epstein's Palm beach residence was raided, because of the complaint of the Father a girl named Annie Farmer who testified in the Maxwell trial and also gave statements to both the Palm Beach PD and the Southern DIstrict of Florida federal prosecutors who cut Epstein a sweetheart deal where he continued on with his normal life supposedly serving time in jail at night and on weekends there in Palm Beach that later was found out to be a complete joke. And FYI Annie Farmer was the only accuser who used her full name in testifying against Maxwell. Two of the other victims, tied to the 2005 raid, Jane and Kate, testified using pseudonyms and the fourth, Carolyn, took the stand using just her first name. That just about all these sealed doc dumps reveals from that raid that was used in the Maxwell trial. Just enough to stir the speculation pot. Depositions and transcripts. Where's the complete list of physical evidence and thousands of photos entered into evidence from both the Palm Beach PD and the SDF AUSA? Where's the collection of surveillance tapes from Espstein, it's well documented that epstein taped everything and cataloged it.

Fast forward to the 2019 raid on the Epstein residences in NY. If you look at these court records they refer to and admit into record as evidence photos from the SDNY of physical evidence confiscated from the residence.



Where's the contents of these black binders full of video CDs that Epstein accumulated over the years of entertaining these lists of names released open ended with only speculation to what was going on. NYPD and the SDNY all documented how every room in the mansion had cameras rolling 24/7. You can tell me there isn't any of these people caught on video, that's what this creep did and it was his leverage, his so called "Black Book" was the least of the worries.



Where's the contents of the hard drives they confiscated, TBs of video that will never see the light of day



CDs entered into evidence that the contents of will disappear into a dark hole. All they release are lists of names and depositions maiming names vaguely leaving it wide open for speculation and spin. It's been going on right here in this forum, can you just imagine what goes on in the rapid response rooms and oppo research teams of all these campaigns, and the craziness within the MSM.


Every victim said their assaults revolved around starting out as massages,



What in the hell is redacted in these images what appears to possibly artwork or photos? Why the secrecy? They were hot to trot to release the famous painting of Bill in the blue dress painting but all these are blacked out? What gives? We just get open ended lists of well known people that is red meat for the spin doctors, when the real facts are black holed. This entire calculated release is nonsense. Flight Logs and open ended name lists.

Que Adam Schiff now stating Trump made $7 million from his foreign resorts all over the world where foreign dignitaries stayed during his four years in the Oval. Of course pencilneck leaves out that these same foreign dignitaries stay at those same resorts all the time years before his presidency and now after his presidency. Just focus on that $7 million he made between 1/20/17-1/20/21, from actual legit businesses he's had for years. Laughable!!!

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Damm is there not a thread you tdsers won't mess up with y'alls tds?
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The word Mossad is the first thing I think of every time I think of this story.
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911sAg said:

Damm is there not a thread you tdsers won't mess up with y'alls tds?

Not really. Most of them don't work and they have lots of free time.
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Matt Walsh said on his podcast that those pictures were taken but the CDs and stuff were not confiscated. That they somehow realized that they didn't have a warrant for that stuff. So rather than call a judge right then and there and get a warrant, they left for 4 days and then came back with a warrant. And all the stuff was conveniently gone.

I'm not sure where he got that info from (I was driving and didn't rewind or anything), and I assume these pictures of stuff is what he was talking about.
 
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