FireAg said:

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

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You're putting way more thought into it than I am.

I have a friend whose friend could testify the Trump drank a warm Diet Coke with no ice.

Did I miss where Bill Gates was named? IIRC, his name was on the flight logs, wasn't it?

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My god. But please be true.

One of Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking victims, Sarah Ransom, told the court that she "made copies of tapes of high-ranking officials raping children and committing other horrific crimes."

Ransom claims that "the footage shows Obama and Michelle having sex with the… pic.twitter.com/D3OYbStFWo

— nikola 3 (@ronin19217435) January 3, 2024

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I'm going to file this as it is likely not true unless the tapes are made public.

Way too many of these major bombshell type accusations (not just ones related to Epstein) pop up all the time and virtually every single time end up being untrue, or the "proof" doesn't actually show what is claimed.

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I am in the same boat...likely too crazy to be true. BUT...IF (big if) this is true, I do not trust our modern warped judicial system to enact anything close to justice. At that point, violence is the only answer. If something like this ever did happen, the only solution is to hunt these people down violently and make an example of them in front of the world.

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My knee jerk reaction regarding Trump is that, yeah he may not have gotten any massages, but there is a lot of guilt by association here. His whole life he has surrounded himself with "less than ideal" people and often times scummy people like Epstein and company. He doesn't belong anywhere near the Oval Office again.

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Yes, as opposed to those DC elites that are renowned for their prudence in determining who they associate with. They would never take a meeting or gift from a wealthy donor who is rumored to be sleazy out of sheer moral outage!

If your standard is, "I only vote for those who have never associated with a bad person in any way," you had better never vote for president lest you be a hypocrite.

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.

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I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.

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You sure seem to spend a lot of energy associating Trump to Epstein every chance you can get. Despite the evidence showing that Trump did nothing wrong. Almost like you are trying to help blur the hell out of those lines.

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Ugh. Obviously I am a DeSantis supporter but I also realize Trump is the likely nominee. So if he is the nominee this stuff doesn't just magically go away. If you want to close your eyes go ahead but this is how this is going to play out in the media. I'll vote for Trump over any D but I'm not going to carry water for him.

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aggie93 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.

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I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.

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The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.

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No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.

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Did I miss where Bill Gates was named? IIRC, his name was on the flight logs, wasn't it?

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I haven't seen anything on Gates but it sounds like there is still more to come. He may be one of the blotted out people as well.

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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I saw one of my mom's friends bare naked by accident when I was a little kid and it was awesome...I still can picture it 35 years later...huuuge boobies. I think you can still be excited by T&A even when your D doesn't work. As in, a bunch of naked women rubbing all over you would probably still be pretty cool, or at least, better than nothing. Just guessing.

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Quality take, made me smile!

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FireAg said:

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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I saw one of my mom's friends bare naked by accident when I was a little kid and it was awesome...I still can picture it 35 years later...huuuge boobies. I think you can still be excited by T&A even when your D doesn't work. As in, a bunch of naked women rubbing all over you would probably still be pretty cool, or at least, better than nothing. Just guessing.

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The little kid couldn't have taken a lousy pic ? Too much to ask ?

Jk

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FireAg said:

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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I saw one of my mom's friends bare naked by accident when I was a little kid and it was awesome...I still can picture it 35 years later...huuuge boobies. I think you can still be excited by T&A even when your D doesn't work. As in, a bunch of naked women rubbing all over you would probably still be pretty cool, or at least, better than nothing. Just guessing.

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The little kid couldn't have taken a lousy pic ? Too much to ask ?

Jk

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It's etched into my memory brotha...once Elon gets off his ass and rolls out Neuralink, I'll hook you up. Although if you saw a modern image of her, it might ruin the whole thing.

Here is the link to 73 pages of flight logs. There are thousands of pages of court docs available and at one time I had them all downloaded and scanned about 20% stopping where I found something interesting which the flight logs were but my biggest takeaways were how clear it was Epstein was shielded by very high up and on two occasions his actual black book of suitors (or at least presumed to be) was confiscated by sheriff and fbi. This book has NOT seen the light of day

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315-epstein-flight-manifests

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aggie93 said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.

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I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.

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The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.

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No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.

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The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.

aggie93 said:

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aTmAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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aTmAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.

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I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.

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You sure seem to spend a lot of energy associating Trump to Epstein every chance you can get. Despite the evidence showing that Trump did nothing wrong. Almost like you are trying to help blur the hell out of those lines.

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Ugh. Obviously I am a DeSantis supporter but I also realize Trump is the likely nominee. So if he is the nominee this stuff doesn't just magically go away. If you want to close your eyes go ahead but this is how this is going to play out in the media. I'll vote for Trump over any D but I'm not going to carry water for him.

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Maybe you shouldn't pour concrete into his water bucket for no reason.

Has any site actually compiled and published the complete list? I've seen several news stories that mention a few people, but not a comprehensive list.

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BG Knocc Out said:

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FireAg said:

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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I saw one of my mom's friends bare naked by accident when I was a little kid and it was awesome...I still can picture it 35 years later...huuuge boobies. I think you can still be excited by T&A even when your D doesn't work. As in, a bunch of naked women rubbing all over you would probably still be pretty cool, or at least, better than nothing. Just guessing.

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The little kid couldn't have taken a lousy pic ? Too much to ask ?

Jk

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Or at a minimum become an accomplished sketch artist and share his work.

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What kind of relationship or involvement did Trump have with Epstein?

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He flew on his plane at least 7 times, though all domestic and nothing appeared inappropriate. In the docs it also mentions how they took a stop in NJ and wanted to go to one of Trump's Casinos and Epstein called Trump, obviously to get some type of special treatment upon arrival. They were known to run in some of the same circles as being uber wealthy guys who lived in Palm Beach and NYC primarily.

So the relationship can't be denied the only question is if Trump did anything wrong and that doesn't appear to be the case based on the evidence shown. FWIW this is how the media is already treating it, they are all over the place from just naming Trump and Clinton together either to help or hurt them:

Clinton and Trump are named in Jeffrey Epstein documents, no wrongdoing alleged

The Epstein list: Bill Clinton and Donald Trump appear in unsealed documents multiple times. Here's what we know.

Jeffrey Epstein said if he revealed 'what I know about both candidates,' 2016 election would have to be canceled: brother

Like I said I don't see any evidence of Trump doing anything wrong but he was definitely involved with Epstein and there is a lot more we DON'T know. People are just acting as if because Trump is now completely free from all of this and some are acting like he is actually the hero because he kicked him out of MAL years after they had a falling out and cooperated with at least some of the investigations.

I just think expecting that most people are going to look past the byline and go "Clinton was a pedo, Trump is innocent" who don't already love Trump is delusional. We don't know where this is going and we don't have all the facts. The best case is Trump had a relationship with one of the most notorious scumbags in modern times for 15 years but didn't do anything wrong with him that we know of. Thus I wouldn't spike the football. I don't think it is wise to think there is nothing else to be released nor do I think it is wise that everyone is going to think Trump is innocent even if he is.

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Sorry, business folks take and swap rides on biz jets all the time. Your TDS is overriding your common sense. But that is not unusual.

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What kind of relationship or involvement did Trump have with Epstein?

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He flew on his plane at least 7 times, though all domestic and nothing appeared inappropriate. In the docs it also mentions how they took a stop in NJ and wanted to go to one of Trump's Casinos and Epstein called Trump, obviously to get some type of special treatment upon arrival. They were known to run in some of the same circles as being uber wealthy guys who lived in Palm Beach and NYC primarily.

So the relationship can't be denied the only question is if Trump did anything wrong and that doesn't appear to be the case based on the evidence shown. FWIW this is how the media is already treating it, they are all over the place from just naming Trump and Clinton together either to help or hurt them:

Clinton and Trump are named in Jeffrey Epstein documents, no wrongdoing alleged

The Epstein list: Bill Clinton and Donald Trump appear in unsealed documents multiple times. Here's what we know.

Jeffrey Epstein said if he revealed 'what I know about both candidates,' 2016 election would have to be canceled: brother

Like I said I don't see any evidence of Trump doing anything wrong but he was definitely involved with Epstein and there is a lot more we DON'T know. People are just acting as if because Trump is now completely free from all of this and some are acting like he is actually the hero because he kicked him out of MAL years after they had a falling out and cooperated with at least some of the investigations.

I just think expecting that most people are going to look past the byline and go "Clinton was a pedo, Trump is innocent" who don't already love Trump is delusional. We don't know where this is going and we don't have all the facts. The best case is Trump had a relationship with one of the most notorious scumbags in modern times for 15 years but didn't do anything wrong with him that we know of. Thus I wouldn't spike the football. I don't think it is wise to think there is nothing else to be released nor do I think it is wise that everyone is going to think Trump is innocent even if he is.

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Sorry, business folks take and swap rides on biz jets all the time. Your TDS is overriding your common sense. But that is not unusual.

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I didn't write the articles and I'm voting for Trump if he is the nominee. If you think the Swing voters will spend the time to decide Trump didn't do anything wrong then great, I hope you are right. Trump and Epstein did have a relationship and it went beyond just a few flights, that's simply a fact. As mentioned in the docs Epstein called Trump when he wanted to go party at his Casino with one of the witnesses. That's also a fact.

I would argue ignoring facts is a lot more delusional than talking about them. I've gone out of my way to say that I don't see any evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. Unfortunately if you use that same standard there isn't any evidence on Clinton either, the closest thing being a comment that him liking them young.

I am supporting a candidate that I don't have to make those distinctions with and I don't have to worry about what else might come out. If that means I have "TDS" so be it.

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aTmAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.

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I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.

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You sure seem to spend a lot of energy associating Trump to Epstein every chance you can get. Despite the evidence showing that Trump did nothing wrong. Almost like you are trying to help blur the hell out of those lines.

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Ugh. Obviously I am a DeSantis supporter but I also realize Trump is the likely nominee. So if he is the nominee this stuff doesn't just magically go away. If you want to close your eyes go ahead but this is how this is going to play out in the media. I'll vote for Trump over any D but I'm not going to carry water for him.

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Maybe you shouldn't pour concrete into his water bucket for no reason.

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FireAg said:

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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the cravings of the flesh are a life of its on.

FireAg said:

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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Not sure how true everything in this article is, but have seen lots of stories over the years to this end.

https://people.com/human-interest/inside-stephen-hawkings-surprising-love-life-including-trips-to-the-strip-club/

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Hawking seemed to embrace the bachelor lifestyle. He was reportedly seen at strip clubs with a team of nurses and assistants over the years.

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aggie93 said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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aggie93 said:

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aTmAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.

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I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.

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The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.

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No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.

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The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.

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Yes, that's why Trump has a disapproval rating around 60%. I also don't recall Trump ever talking about how Epstein called him up when he wanted to party at his Casino but maybe you can link to that.

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Aggies2009 said:

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aggie93 said:

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aTmAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.

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I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.

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The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.

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No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.

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The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.

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Yes, that's why Trump has a disapproval rating around 60%. I also don't recall Trump ever talking about how Epstein called him up when he wanted to party at his Casino but maybe you can link to that.

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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

I don't see any 60% there.

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Aggies2009 said:

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aggie93 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.

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I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.

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The media is going to do what they do regardless.

These documents said very clearly that he wasn't there. And you have to rush here to say, "All it says is that the person doesn't remember him ever going! He's not out of the woods!!" **** off.

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No. The documents show he flew on his plane 7 times and the documents show that Epstein called Trump to let him know when he stopped by his Casino. They also show that one of the witnesses doesn't recall Trump going to any of the Epstein properties. Those are just the facts listed.

I agree the media isn't going to be fair with Trump, where I disagree is that we should just ignore it because it makes Trump look bad.

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The good thing about Trump is that when the media lies about him, he counters with the truth and he's not afraid to blast out the truth to everyone. He wins points by the media lying about him.

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Yes, that's why Trump has a disapproval rating around 60%. I also don't recall Trump ever talking about how Epstein called him up when he wanted to party at his Casino but maybe you can link to that.

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I was going to try to avoid responding to this but you need to take a step back and critically think about the argument you're making here.

Calling a Casino owner up and letting them know youre coming is standard procedure for the rich. You're trying to say this makes Trump a nefarious character and guilty by association because Epstein called to get special treatment.

Ever been to Vegas? This is SOP.

Whats not SOP is flying down on said billionaire's jet to an island filled with underage girls and having rape orgies with them. Thats where the focus should be. The flight logs and manifests. Not if Epstein called Trump to get a suite comped.

When you (as you say) vote for Trump in the general, your walk back post are going to be great reading. I can hold my nose and vote for Trump, but I'm not gonna make a fool of myself with over the top and all consuming TDS. Good luck to you.

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More than 70 names were included in the documents, with four redacted.

Ghislaine Maxwell
Virginia Lee Roberts Giuffre
Kathy Alexander
Miles Alexander
James Michael Austrich
Philip Barden
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David Boies
Laura Boothe
Evelyn Boulet
Rebecca Boylan

That redacted spot...alphabetical order...BIDEN

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Stolen from tiger droppings

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Bill Barr

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Yeah If I was a betting man that is the redacted person and not hunter biden. Starting to make a lot more sense in his actions or better, lack thereof, over the years ,including his stupid statement believing epstein killed himself.

Also FWIW many peeps on here don't understand how much private jets are shared, chartered out, leased etc and by no means am I giving a free pass to the actual guilty pedos or supporters there of.

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I agree, No Biden on the list, as they don't don't need to travel.......homegrown.

I was there too and it was awesome here is a sketch

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aggie93 said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.

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I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.

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You sure seem to spend a lot of energy associating Trump to Epstein every chance you can get. Despite the evidence showing that Trump did nothing wrong. Almost like you are trying to help blur the hell out of those lines.

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Ugh. Obviously I am a DeSantis supporter but I also realize Trump is the likely nominee. So if he is the nominee this stuff doesn't just magically go away. If you want to close your eyes go ahead but this is how this is going to play out in the media. I'll vote for Trump over any D but I'm not going to carry water for him.

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Maybe you shouldn't pour concrete into his water bucket for no reason.

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When there is no evil then you shouldn't make it up.

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What kind of relationship or involvement did Trump have with Epstein?

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He flew on his plane at least 7 times, though all domestic and nothing appeared inappropriate. In the docs it also mentions how they took a stop in NJ and wanted to go to one of Trump's Casinos and Epstein called Trump, obviously to get some type of special treatment upon arrival. They were known to run in some of the same circles as being uber wealthy guys who lived in Palm Beach and NYC primarily.

So the relationship can't be denied the only question is if Trump did anything wrong and that doesn't appear to be the case based on the evidence shown. FWIW this is how the media is already treating it, they are all over the place from just naming Trump and Clinton together either to help or hurt them:

Clinton and Trump are named in Jeffrey Epstein documents, no wrongdoing alleged

The Epstein list: Bill Clinton and Donald Trump appear in unsealed documents multiple times. Here's what we know.

Jeffrey Epstein said if he revealed 'what I know about both candidates,' 2016 election would have to be canceled: brother

Like I said I don't see any evidence of Trump doing anything wrong but he was definitely involved with Epstein and there is a lot more we DON'T know. People are just acting as if because Trump is now completely free from all of this and some are acting like he is actually the hero because he kicked him out of MAL years after they had a falling out and cooperated with at least some of the investigations.

I just think expecting that most people are going to look past the byline and go "Clinton was a pedo, Trump is innocent" who don't already love Trump is delusional. We don't know where this is going and we don't have all the facts. The best case is Trump had a relationship with one of the most notorious scumbags in modern times for 15 years but didn't do anything wrong with him that we know of. Thus I wouldn't spike the football. I don't think it is wise to think there is nothing else to be released nor do I think it is wise that everyone is going to think Trump is innocent even if he is.

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Sorry, business folks take and swap rides on biz jets all the time. Your TDS is overriding your common sense. But that is not unusual.

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I didn't write the articles and I'm voting for Trump if he is the nominee. If you think the Swing voters will spend the time to decide Trump didn't do anything wrong then great, I hope you are right. Trump and Epstein did have a relationship and it went beyond just a few flights, that's simply a fact. As mentioned in the docs Epstein called Trump when he wanted to go party at his Casino with one of the witnesses. That's also a fact.

I would argue ignoring facts is a lot more delusional than talking about them. I've gone out of my way to say that I don't see any evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. Unfortunately if you use that same standard there isn't any evidence on Clinton either, the closest thing being a comment that him liking them young.

I am supporting a candidate that I don't have to make those distinctions with and I don't have to worry about what else might come out. If that means I have "TDS" so be it.

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The association with Epstein leaves open the door for a Soros/DNC funded October '24 Surprise where someone's friends "urged her to reveal her story about Trump before it's too late". Then msnbc can link the two for a gotcha that un-researched moderates will lap up justifying their pulling the lever for [D].

Here is the playbook of the system for anyone who is interested. This is how they keep control of the public narrative.

1) INNOCULATION Before the information comes out run stories about the issue and try to spin it and frame it as not as bad as it is. For example, run stories on MAPS and call people a MAP instead of Pedophile and try to convince people it is a harmless sexual preference. This will make the issue less incendiary to the mind of the general public when the truth does come out.

2) SUPPRESSIONSuppress information that would open the Public's eyes and paint anyone who tries to reveal the truth as a conspiracy theorist.

3) MISDIRECTION If an event occurs that cannot be suppressed shortly after the information comes out, distract the public with a horrific event which can be used to dominate the news headlines instead of the news they don't want you paying attention to.

4) INUNDATIONIf misdirection will not be strong enough then they flood the public with overwhelming amounts of both true and false information so the people don't know what is real and what is fake. Then the MSM will slowly start to dial back their coverage and begin labeling anyone who believes the uncomfortable truth as a conspiracy theorist because some of what they believe is verifiably false. At that stage it is the false information the MSM and mouthpieces will focus on. The general public, because so much info is falsified will forget and believe the labels the MSM puts on everything.

5) DISCREDIT After the false info is intentionally injected into the system anyone making legit accusations will be discredited publicly by association with the flood of false accusations and info.

We are at the Inundation phase. Expect lots of false lists, false reports, false stories over the next 2-3 days. Especially over social media and through pop culture personalities.

OP is now duty bound to update a running list on the first post.