It is creepy ephebephile territory and probably statutory sex crimes were involved with minors in some cases, and in others probably young women of legal age were manipulated and exploited in still very creepy ad unethical fashion. The issue beyond that is the connection, information, and extortion racket that was probably going on underneath this. These things are usually networks, and Epstein was probably only one major node of others yet to surface.

It is a strange assemblage of persons until you consider that many of them had access at very high levels to much larger networks of well placed elites, and could be perhaps manipulated to gather information or to fish for other "clients and contacts" to rope in.

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45-70Ag said:

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My god. But please be true.

One of Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking victims, Sarah Ransom, told the court that she "made copies of tapes of high-ranking officials raping children and committing other horrific crimes."

Ransom claims that "the footage shows Obama and Michelle having sex with the… pic.twitter.com/D3OYbStFWo

— nikola 3 (@ronin19217435) January 3, 2024

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I'm going to file this as it is likely not true unless the tapes are made public.

Way too many of these major bombshell type accusations (not just ones related to Epstein) pop up all the time and virtually every single time end up being untrue, or the "proof" doesn't actually show what is claimed.

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True. At best, they're click bait meant to keep the tin foil hat faux outrage flowing. Sadly it happens on the left just as much as the right

45-70Ag said:

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My god. But please be true.

One of Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking victims, Sarah Ransom, told the court that she "made copies of tapes of high-ranking officials raping children and committing other horrific crimes."

Ransom claims that "the footage shows Obama and Michelle having sex with the… pic.twitter.com/D3OYbStFWo

— nikola 3 (@ronin19217435) January 3, 2024

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Fireworks will continue thruout 2024.

That sound ridiculous.

This is starting to look like UFOs. If I'm the Air Force, and I want to keep my high tech planes secret in case they are spotted, then I'd spread a bunch of UFO conspiracy crap and get as many kooks to help as possible. That way nobody believes any of it.

Agthatbuilds said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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He is listed though and was clearly involved with Epstein. The focus is also mainly that one witness says she "doesn't remember" Trump going to many of the locations. The witness isn't Maxwell either who was closest to Epstein. That certainly is good for Trump but it doesn't prove he is "completely innocent". There were many girls in many locations involved and who knows how many were interviewed. Obviously we don't have anything from Epstein who is the only person who knew everything. We don't even have all of the documents from this yet.

It's not like Epstein couldn't have flown on Trump's jet or they both flew on someone else's either. The only thing this proves is Trump had a relationship with Epstein and it at least appears he didn't go to the island and mess around.

I am hopeful Trump didn't do anything for many reasons but this doesn't show he is clean. It still makes me nervous he could be the nominee and there is more sitting out there we don't know about. I don't buy that it "would have been released years ago" either. I mean if there is just 1 witness who says that Trump was messing around with girls with Epstein he is completely screwed even if that witness is lying. I mean how do you disprove it and who is going to care?

I think it is unfair to assume Trump did anything wrong and it's definitely unfair to say he is a pedo as I don't think that's the case. That said this isn't something I would be spiking the football over.

What kind of relationship or involvement did Trump have with Epstein?

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Wow, that was deleted fast.....Text from depositions asking if Hawkins was involved with minors and respondent said yes watching young girls engage in sexual actions

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That's probably not too surprising. This is from a 2017 story from the Daily Beast:

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On a lighter note, Hawking is also said to be a big fan of strip clubs. "He's a man who lives within his brain and still manages to feel the overwhelming power of sex," his pal Peter Stringfellow, who runs Stringfellows strip clubs, told The Independent. "Isn't he the answer to people who attack the sexual side of our human-ness? They're all charging at windmills, you know. It's there."
Hawking became a regular at Stringfellows strip club in London ...

Hawking has also reportedly been spotted numerous times getting lap dances at the California strip club Devore, and was even said to have frequented Freedom Acres, a swinger's club in California.
"I have seen Stephen Hawking at the club more than a handful of times," a member said, according to the Huffington Post. "He arrives with an entourage of nurses and assistants. Last time I saw him, he was in the back 'play area' lying on a bed fully clothed with two naked women gyrating all over him."
Tim Holt, University of Cambridge press officer, later confirmed that Hawking had frequented the swinger's club, but claimed that he wasn't a regular. "This report is greatly exaggerated. He visited once a few years ago with friends while on a visit to California," Holt told the Cambridge News.
They don't call him the "Master of the Universe" for nothing.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-other-side-of-stephen-hawking-strippers-aliens-and-disturbing-abuse-claims

Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

There is so little here, and I'm not shocked. The globalist will never allow this list out and if someone was able to get it out, the media would stomp it out. Elon is the only way any real list would see the light, but the cabal aint allowing that list out. I don't care who's name is on it these folks need to be put out in the open just like they did Matt Lauer.

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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Well, he's dead now, so... No carnal gratification.

But I get your point.

FireAg said:

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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He could have treated it as a perverted strip club. Just because the physical aspect wasn't working he could still look.

This list is turning out to be a Who's Who of who?

Conspiracy theorists and grifters built this up to a point that was beyond realistic? You don't say.

Agthatbuilds said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

I hate that I'm saying this but queue the next school shooting, natural disaster, 'unarmed" black man getting shot by cops, new covid strain, global war.....

45-70Ag said:

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My god. But please be true.

One of Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking victims, Sarah Ransom, told the court that she "made copies of tapes of high-ranking officials raping children and committing other horrific crimes."

Ransom claims that "the footage shows Obama and Michelle having sex with the… pic.twitter.com/D3OYbStFWo

— nikola 3 (@ronin19217435) January 3, 2024

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If true, and if they are released, the world will get to find out whether obama or michelle has the biggest ding dong

on X: "Shooting in Iowa at Perry High School, multiple victims with at least two medical choppers in the air https://t.co/RbCLvit2WA" / X (twitter.com)

I 100% promise you I didnt' know this happened before I wrote my previous post.

Anyone who can't see what is going on is completely detached from reality.

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What kind of relationship or involvement did Trump have with Epstein?

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He flew on his plane at least 7 times, though all domestic and nothing appeared inappropriate. In the docs it also mentions how they took a stop in NJ and wanted to go to one of Trump's Casinos and Epstein called Trump, obviously to get some type of special treatment upon arrival. They were known to run in some of the same circles as being uber wealthy guys who lived in Palm Beach and NYC primarily.

So the relationship can't be denied the only question is if Trump did anything wrong and that doesn't appear to be the case based on the evidence shown. FWIW this is how the media is already treating it, they are all over the place from just naming Trump and Clinton together either to help or hurt them:

Clinton and Trump are named in Jeffrey Epstein documents, no wrongdoing alleged

The Epstein list: Bill Clinton and Donald Trump appear in unsealed documents multiple times. Here's what we know.

Jeffrey Epstein said if he revealed 'what I know about both candidates,' 2016 election would have to be canceled: brother

Like I said I don't see any evidence of Trump doing anything wrong but he was definitely involved with Epstein and there is a lot more we DON'T know. People are just acting as if because Trump is now completely free from all of this and some are acting like he is actually the hero because he kicked him out of MAL years after they had a falling out and cooperated with at least some of the investigations.

I just think expecting that most people are going to look past the byline and go "Clinton was a pedo, Trump is innocent" who don't already love Trump is delusional. We don't know where this is going and we don't have all the facts. The best case is Trump had a relationship with one of the most notorious scumbags in modern times for 15 years but didn't do anything wrong with him that we know of. Thus I wouldn't spike the football. I don't think it is wise to think there is nothing else to be released nor do I think it is wise that everyone is going to think Trump is innocent even if he is.

FireAg said:

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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In the movie about him they point out that one part of him works just fine, that's how he had all those kids and even cheated on his wife in the movie.

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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FireAg said:

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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In the movie about him they point out that one part of him works just fine, that's how he had all those kids and even cheated on his wife in the movie.

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But surely not later on? His ALS got progressively worse as time went on.

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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Am I the only one struggling to see someone in Hawking's condition able to gain carnal gratification from any of this? I mean…how would that even work?

Note: I don't know his exact physical limitations, but he looks to be quite incapable of doing anything physical…

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In the movie about him they point out that one part of him works just fine, that's how he had all those kids and even cheated on his wife in the movie.

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But surely not later on? His ALS got progressively worse as time went on.

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I must admit my knowledge of his sexual function as he aged is very limited and I am just fine with that.

Same!

I think this is bogus but we are going to see a lot of stuff like this come out now. This is the problem with the relationship with Trump and Epstein being established, now it lends credibility to any accusations made between them for right or wrong.

Did you know Trump and Epstein were accused of forcibly raping a 13-year-old girl during underage sex parties at Epstein's Manhattan residence.

She dropped the lawsuit after repeated threats against her and her family.#EpsteinClientList #TrumpIsARapist pic.twitter.com/WxUf5naeB5

— Ryan Shead (@RyanShead) January 3, 2024

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William Barr reviewed his death and claimed he did indeed killed himself.

Wonder if ol Barr is on the list?

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Want a possible connection? Epstein taught at the Dalton school in Manhattan. Donald Barr, William Barr's father, had just left the Dalton school 3 months before Epstein's arrival. May be something, may be nothing.

My knee jerk reaction regarding Trump is that, yeah he may not have gotten any massages, but there is a lot of guilt by association here. His whole life he has surrounded himself with "less than ideal" people and often times scummy people like Epstein and company. He doesn't belong anywhere near the Oval Office again.

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aggie93 said:

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one safe place said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Not a Trumper....

The only reference to him was that the victim never saw him on the island or house and never gave him a massage

Did I miss something?

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You missed out on having a terminal case of TDS, lol

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There is also a reference to the flights (all domestic) and how they went to Trump's Casino and Epstein called up Trump to let him know they were coming. Nothing nefarious about either but also showing that Trump and Epstein had a friendly relationship.

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Fred Rogers had a friendly relationship with Bill Cosby too.

If somebody were posting that irrelevant fact over and over for some strange reason, then one might think that person was disingenuously trying to make Fred Rogers look bad and link him to serial rape.

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I don't disagree. As I said many times I don't think Trump is a pedo and I don't think there is evidence he did anything wrong. That said it is going to be very, very easy for the media to blur the hell out of those lines now. It's also very possible more comes out.

Muscle might not work, but brain did.

It's all hormones at that point.

aggie93 said:

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I think this is bogus but we are going to see a lot of stuff like this come out now. This is the problem with the relationship with Trump and Epstein being established, now it lends credibility to any accusations made between them for right or wrong.

Did you know Trump and Epstein were accused of forcibly raping a 13-year-old girl during underage sex parties at Epstein's Manhattan residence.

She dropped the lawsuit after repeated threats against her and her family.#EpsteinClientList #TrumpIsARapist pic.twitter.com/WxUf5naeB5

— Ryan Shead (@RyanShead) January 3, 2024

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There was an "anonymous" suit filed against Trump when he was President. IIRC, Gloria Allred or her daughter was the lawyer behind it., It went no where and was dropped, but of course they claimed it was because forces connected to Trump threatened the person. No proof was ever offered, but it was just part of the lawfare going on since 2016.