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because it's made to seem that if a president does one, that's pretty much it.

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for the most part, it is pretty much it

Yes. But a lot of the draft dodgers did not come back to the states so it ceased to be a big issue by 1980.

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I guess not even MAGA people can defend Trump for not pardoning the January 6th barnstormers.

I can tell you why he didn't do it. It wasn't in his personal interest. It was actually in this interest if those people went to prison for a very very long time. He can make money off of that.

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I need to ask...

Can you list the names of the J6 participants that were arrested/indicted prior to Jan 20?

TIA.

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In the 15 days between January 6th and Biden's inauguration, I never suspected that an insurrection narrative would be built, thereby justifying the detainment and future jailing of multiple individuals who happened to be on site - regardless of whether they actively participated in riotous activity.

I doubt Trump did either.

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this theory does not hold water.

the interim AG announced on january 7 they would be looking to prosecute for insurrection.

as aggiehawg said, the impeachment articles filed by 13th.


"Trump didn't know" really makes no sense.

again, I get why trump didn't do it. would have been a disaster politically at the time and may have even resulted in a conviction on impeachment.

Perhaps instead of dwelling on why Trump didn't pardon people who were not yet arrested within 13 days, we should be asking why our current govt is conducting political prosecutions 3 years later based on rock solid evidence such as internet meme searches and "it looks like him but not sure" witness statements

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Yes. But a lot of the draft dodgers did not come back to the states so it ceased to be a big issue by 1980.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Perhaps instead of dwelling on why Trump didn't pardon people who were not yet arrested within 13 days, we should be asking why our current govt is conducting political prosecutions 3 years later based on rock solid evidence such as internet meme searches and "it looks like him but not sure" witness statements

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In the 15 days between January 6th and Biden's inauguration, I never suspected that an insurrection narrative would be built, thereby justifying the detainment and future jailing of multiple individuals who happened to be on site - regardless of whether they actively participated in riotous activity.

I doubt Trump did either.

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this theory does not hold water.

the interim AG announced on january 7 they would be looking to prosecute for insurrection.

as aggiehawg said, the impeachment articles filed by 13th.


"Trump didn't know" really makes no sense.

again, I get why trump didn't do it. would have been a disaster politically at the time and may have even resulted in a conviction on impeachment.

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Perhaps I should rephrase:

Though the "insurrection" narrative was well underway a week after Jan 6th, it was obvious that the event got out of hand, and a number of people did engage in riotous activity which should be subject to law enforcement after the fact.

Folks like Shifty are enjoying themselves playing both sides here. They are looking at this event 3 years after the fact and faux judging Trump's actions when at the point he left office, there was no indication that the DOJ would go nuts on virtually EVERY attendee on the Capitol Grounds that day. All that happened after Trump was out of office. At any rate, HAD Trump issued pardons prior to leaving office, rest assured that Shifty would be even more vocal with his judgement against Trump's pardons. No matter what Trump would have done, he would be vocally against it.

Also, rightly or wrongly, Trump was preoccupied with the election itself. He was looking for any LEGAL way to contest the election. (Further evidence of this concerns Rosen himself. If Trump was dead set on keeping power by any means, why didn't he fire Rosen and replace him with an AG who would say that he would investigate the election?)

The fact that some Proud Boys blowhard was pissed at Trump does not move the needle with me at all. People who did cross the line from protest into violence deserved what was coming for them. Trump had no way of knowing who was a protestor, and who was an instigator. Not in 15 days.

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"Looked like but not sure" 3 years later is not fine. There is nothing here that is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to charge him with what they have. But go on with your political persecutions, eric. Not surprised at all. LOL at the self-described "libertarian"

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"Beyond a reasonable doubt" is not the standard for an indictment, Judge Scalia....

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Perhaps instead of dwelling on why Trump didn't pardon people who were not yet arrested within 13 days, we should be asking why our current govt is conducting political prosecutions 3 years later based on rock solid evidence such as internet meme searches and "it looks like him but not sure" witness statements

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Because shifty is too busy shoving people into the boxcars.

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You guys haven't read any of the articles where the leaders of the protest/insurrection are upset at Trump for not getting a pardon? I suggest you read them. And then come back here and explain to me why Trump did not pardon them.

Here, I'll give you guys a headstart:
https://www.insider.com/proud-boys-leader-furious-trump-didnt-pardon-capitol-insurrectionists-2021-5

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Are you saying that Trump is the evil shepherd for leading his sheep into danger and leaving them there?

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DannyDuberstein said:

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"Looked like but not sure" 3 years later is not fine. There is nothing here that is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to charge him with what they have. But go on with your political persecutions, eric. Not surprised at all. LOL at the self-described "libertarian"

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"Beyond a reasonable doubt" is not the standard for an indictment, Judge Scalia....

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No ****, but i would expect any prosecution to believe they can meet that standard and not have to resort to "not sure" identifications and Ron Burgandy internet searches to bring a politcally motivated case, Karl.