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What are we trying to get back?

We need the working middle class back. We need two parent households where one person works, one person doesn't. The person that works needs to be able to make enough for housing, for food, for some disposable income, and to save for retirement. For most families, that can't be done today without making $200,000+. As AI finds it way, the ability to make that kind of money is going to dwindle. Yes, blue collar jobs are en vogue right now, but the average blue collar worker is not making $200,000. Those are the outliers, the ones who had enough brains to manage working for themselves.

But that lifestyle doesn't make other people money. The goal to life currently is to extract every penny and hoard it at the top. Money is made off daycare. Money is made off extremely high housing costs. Money is made off legal fees for custody disputes. Money is made off of creating the entire LGBTQ industry. Healthcare is about money. Food is about money. Everything is about money.

Furthermore, the ones setting the policy and extracting the most money out of the economy are politicians. It doesn't really matter who is President because every one is poisoned. Every single would-be nominee is fantastically rich off the system. Even AOC, the bastion of "the people", is sitting happily on her stacks of dollars today.

I don't think any one thing can be done. Society would have to completely collapse, most humans would have to die, and the ones left would still crawl towards this lifestyle. Money is absolute

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One thing to keep in mind is that most families could get by today with one wage earner, but they would need much lower expectations. Years ago when one wage earner was the norm, when women did work they tended to receive much lower salaries.

Also, at that time, the expectations were lower than today. People lived in small houses or apartments and weren't going on big ticket vacations and going to a restaurant for supper was far less common. I knew one old guy years ago who ate every meal at home -- i understand he had never eaten at a restaurant in his entire life.

If people were willing to limit their luxuries, a couple living on one salary is generally quite doable.

It's over. Too many people are not self-reliant and want to be taken care of, hence rampant marxism.

There is no getting America back. The federal government has metastasized into a monster that can't be undone with simply voting, no matter how "conservative" candidates appear to be. It's time to TEXIT.

How do we retake America? By engaging in Church and proselytizing our neighbors.

Spiritual revival > cultural revival > rebalancing society > independent families who care about restoring the proper system > voting and influence > America's political trajectory.

The internet is a weapon to be used against us. Start with doing nothing online. Incredibly difficult but can be done, not that I've tried it.

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There is no getting America back. The federal government has metastasized into a monster that can't be undone with simply voting, no matter how "conservative" candidates appear to be. It's time to TEXIT.

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I have been in the TEXIT camp for about 7-8 years now although a Convention of States might slow the decline. The USA is going down and I think TEXIT gives us the best chance to have freedom and survive on the other side.

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I'll add a log onto the fire:

1. PAC's have to completely go away.
2. Lobbying, especially corporate lobbying needs to go away.
3. The voting process has got to be one size fits all, and completely transparent.
3. What we call "news" has to be transformed.

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#1 Restore free and fair elections

Gut the DOJ and FBI

Arrest all those who have committed treason and/or sedition. For those who get death, hold public hangings.

Penalize media corporations and big tech that provide $billions of in-kind donations to political parties.

Deport about 20 million illegal aliens and finish the border wall

Deprogram everyone below 30 years old

That's how far gone America is. But we do the above, and let the good times roll again

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Get rid of taxes. I know we need some money for roads and military but we aren't getting what we need out of that.

Social security used to come from the church or your company in a pension but now people continue to vote in those that will give back money to them.

Property taxes should fund local governments but they go to pet causes and lead to higher rates as governments get more and the benefits are less.

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The answer to your question is do not vote for any Democratic candidate at any level of government. Those Democratic candidates that aren't straight out crooks are brain dead minions.

We are headed towards a depression like the country has never seen before. It is unavoidable. Until that happens nothing noteworthy is going to change.

What we need to do is make it impossible for libs to avoid rightful blame. Only when it is bad enough and blame is clear will conservatives be able to earn 60%+ of the Senate, 50%+ of the house, and the president and roll back huge chunks of liberalism at a time.

How do we do this? Stop trying to be lib-lite. Distinguish ourselves from the libs. Don't counter their $15/hr minimum wage with our own $10/hr minimum wage. Argue for it to be -infinity and explain how the liberal position screws over the poor. Call them out, and suggest California raise it too $50k a year if they are so convinced of their policies. Libs own the state, yet hey won't do it. Push back like that on every policy. Be prescient today. Stop trying to gaslight the public that we are still a shining city on a hill. Stop pretending BS like the economy is still strong. Good feelings don't change reality. Liberalism has screwed us all over. And we need to teach the public HOW.

Make that loud and clear now.

And be ready when the time comes.

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Get behind true conservative winnable candidates in primaries. Vote Republican like your life depended on it in the general. Do this at all levels. Get involved. Understand the candidates from school board to POTUS.

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Sounds like a good way to keep crashing the economy, getting nothing done, but feeling good you kept you "traditional" values. It's proved almost as effective as standing on a roof yelling "traditiiiiiiion"

The solution is fiscal conservatism, and killing this ideal of the nanny state being the great moral arbiter. Republicans have their priorities backwards.

The only real way to overcome any of it is state level reform first, preferably with politicians who care more about the economy than overblown social issues.

Need to remove Democrats as much as possible, including all progressives and liberals from all positions of decision making authority. I know, that's a redundant statement.

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Over 50% of the population work for the government but keep blaming boomers that paid in to SS for the wreck we are in.

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Doubt work for the government, but including those that depend on the government may be around 50%.

Need to include;

• those companies that rely solely or partially on government contracts,

all those on government assistance like

• housing subsidies,
• food stamps,
• unemployment benefits,
• those in prison, etc,.

Where are the libs In this discussion? By your silence can I assume that you are all okay with the way things are going? Do you think this is sustainable or do you not care as long as your party is in control?

We'll never get the country back within its current framework. It would take a war or catastrophic natural event that wiped out enough population to the point where survival and self-reliance became the only priorities.

Even then, you wouldn't know what type of government would rise out of the ashes.

Returning to sound money (gold and silver) would be a nice start.

Re-value gold to match all derivative markets and fiat in circulation.

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Let's actually think about this question for longer than a moment and take a thirty thousand foot view of the history here.

Go back to Obama in 2008. Hope and change, fundamentally transform this nation AND building an electronic database of voters that even Maxine Waters knew about and touted it. For once in her life, she was right. And then that digital database was amplified with the creation of ERIC and suckering 35 states (at their highest point) into memberships that were very cheap (since ERIC was funded by dark money and didn't need to charge enough to cover costs.) Now they completely control the voter rolls of all of those states.

David Plouffe, of Obama's digital database, sees the databases and identifies specific counties in several swing states that can affect the outcome in 2020. Goes to his former boss, Zuckerberg, gets over 400 million (matching the federal funds) and it is off to the races.

Now let's go back, not just to Trump rallies in 2020 but to the parades of cars and boats just coming together and spending tons of money to support MAGA. Make America Great Again. Those are the people who want America back, if they are allowed to vote in a fair election.

I don't think they will be allowed to do so but hope I'm wrong about that. Trump? DeSantis? Either one is better than the alternative. Haley is a BLM supporter and thus a non-starter. Go back to her tweets about Ferguson, Missouri, about George Floyd's death, etc. She supported the wrong narrative of what had happened.

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To me once you're at the point of "This guy will save us" it's an acknowledgement that it's over. Ronald Reagan or even George Washington couldn't fix this. The best they could do would be to temporarily delay the inevitable. The people and institutions are at the hopeless level. It's the difference between having a healthy racehorse that just needs a competent jockey to offer mild guidance vs needing a tractor to drag a dead horse carcass down the track.

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Then you are not thinking rationally.

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Because I disagree?

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No. Just look broader than that.

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I'm discussing it in terms of the fate of all of western civilization, how much broader do I need to look? If you think the path we're on is reversible then I seriously do admire your optimism.

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What you call "optimism" I call "faith,"

We as a nation didn't make it this far, for we the people, to just crap out now. And for better or worse, Trump brought out those patriots.

Don't ask me why.

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Your faith is misplaced if it is placed in humans

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Imagine clowns like AOC and the rest of the "squad" and the Democrat party... addressing patriots like Washington, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Sam Adams, Paul Revere, etc. today.

Those Patriots would say "What have you done!?" to the country, Republic we gave you.

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It's the fault of the conservatives and "republicans" who nominate loser candidates who then...lose.

and lose

and lose again.

and then whine and blame "cheating"

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Trajan88 said:

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Imagine clowns like AOC and the rest of the "squad" and the Democrat party... addressing patriots like Washington, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Sam Adams, Paul Revere, etc. today.

Those Patriots would say "What have you done!?" to the country, Republic we gave you.

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It's the fault of the conservatives and "republicans" who nominate loser candidates who then...lose.

and lose

and lose again.

and then whine and blame "cheating"

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Democrats cheat...it's what they do.

None of the suggested options are going to work because we have turned away from our Creator, the Lord God Jehovah. We are tasting the bitterness of this country's choice. You can't break down the family God intended and-if the polls are correct that 75% of the country believe in murdering children by abortion-continue those murders and expect to escape God's judgment. We have turned from the Lord God Jehovah to worship the god of this world and the sons and daughters of Satan are following his commands.

Republicans don't "have the house". They have it by 2-3 seats…. And because of how some rhinos vote causes the issues. We need the house by a commanding margin to accomplish anything.

This. Well said.

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None of the suggested options are going to work because we have turned away from our Creator, the Lord God Jehovah. We are tasting the bitterness of this country's choice. You can't break down the family God intended and-if the polls are correct that 75% of the country believe in murdering children by abortion-continue those murders and expect to escape God's judgment. We have turned from the Lord God Jehovah to worship the god of this world and the sons and daughters of Satan are following his commands.

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So give up then?

In the short to medium term, we will never get America back as long as evil tyrannical liberals are allowed to vote and live freely the same as you or me. That is the cold hard truth. In the long term, the only comfort we can take is that the white liberal is hardly breeding at all. White Christian conservatives and latinos are outbreeding them dramatically. And latinos coming in by the hundreds of thousands will never get on board with the increasingly insane and perverted sh** the modern wicked left is openly pushing.

I just worry that it will be too late and the economic and cultural destruction will be too much to reverse once the white liberal is bred out.

If you want a revolution, simply end the withholding of taxes and make everyone pay quarterly.

Making people aware of how much the actually pay in taxes at all levels (but particularly the national level) would be like an ice bath to most people (particularly the middle class).

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None of the suggested options are going to work because we have turned away from our Creator, the Lord God Jehovah. We are tasting the bitterness of this country's choice. You can't break down the family God intended and-if the polls are correct that 75% of the country believe in murdering children by abortion-continue those murders and expect to escape God's judgment. We have turned from the Lord God Jehovah to worship the god of this world and the sons and daughters of Satan are following his commands.

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So give up then?

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Or repent and return to the LORD through trust and belief in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Or give up, give in to Satan, and continue on the unsinkable Titanicyou know how that ended. I'd suggest you read God's Word for the truth. Or continue to follow the father of lies to eternal damnation. The choice is yours.

Texarkanaag69 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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None of the suggested options are going to work because we have turned away from our Creator, the Lord God Jehovah. We are tasting the bitterness of this country's choice. You can't break down the family God intended and-if the polls are correct that 75% of the country believe in murdering children by abortion-continue those murders and expect to escape God's judgment. We have turned from the Lord God Jehovah to worship the god of this world and the sons and daughters of Satan are following his commands.

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So give up then?

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Or repent and return to the LORD through trust and belief in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Or give up, give in to Satan, and continue on the unsinkable Titanicyou know how that ended. I'd suggest you read God's Word for the truth. Or continue to follow the father of lies to eternal damnation. The choice is yours.

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Okay, so I sequester myself and read the Bible every day. What do I do on election day? Vote? Or just stay at home and pray?

aTmAg said:

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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None of the suggested options are going to work because we have turned away from our Creator, the Lord God Jehovah. We are tasting the bitterness of this country's choice. You can't break down the family God intended and-if the polls are correct that 75% of the country believe in murdering children by abortion-continue those murders and expect to escape God's judgment. We have turned from the Lord God Jehovah to worship the god of this world and the sons and daughters of Satan are following his commands.

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So give up then?

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Or repent and return to the LORD through trust and belief in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Or give up, give in to Satan, and continue on the unsinkable Titanicyou know how that ended. I'd suggest you read God's Word for the truth. Or continue to follow the father of lies to eternal damnation. The choice is yours.

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Okay, so I sequester myself and read the Bible every day. What do I do on election day? Vote? Or just stay at home and pray?

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If you're into God's Word, which by your response I can't tell, you'll find direction there. Yes, pray and vote. I confess that sometimes it seems to be the lesser of two evils who are on the ballot.

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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None of the suggested options are going to work because we have turned away from our Creator, the Lord God Jehovah. We are tasting the bitterness of this country's choice. You can't break down the family God intended and-if the polls are correct that 75% of the country believe in murdering children by abortion-continue those murders and expect to escape God's judgment. We have turned from the Lord God Jehovah to worship the god of this world and the sons and daughters of Satan are following his commands.

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So give up then?

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Or repent and return to the LORD through trust and belief in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Or give up, give in to Satan, and continue on the unsinkable Titanicyou know how that ended. I'd suggest you read God's Word for the truth. Or continue to follow the father of lies to eternal damnation. The choice is yours.

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Okay, so I sequester myself and read the Bible every day. What do I do on election day? Vote? Or just stay at home and pray?

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If you're into God's Word, which by your response I can't tell, you'll find direction there. Yes, pray and vote. I confess that sometimes it seems to be the lesser of two evils who are on the ballot.

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But why bother voting? You said that, along with everything else suggested in this thread is not going to work.

You ever hear the story about the The Drowning Man? The one that ends with God telling the dead guy in heaven: "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?" You sound like that guy. There are things we can do to better our situation beyond praying and reading the Bible about it. This thread is about those things.

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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None of the suggested options are going to work because we have turned away from our Creator, the Lord God Jehovah. We are tasting the bitterness of this country's choice. You can't break down the family God intended and-if the polls are correct that 75% of the country believe in murdering children by abortion-continue those murders and expect to escape God's judgment. We have turned from the Lord God Jehovah to worship the god of this world and the sons and daughters of Satan are following his commands.

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So give up then?

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Or repent and return to the LORD through trust and belief in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Or give up, give in to Satan, and continue on the unsinkable Titanicyou know how that ended. I'd suggest you read God's Word for the truth. Or continue to follow the father of lies to eternal damnation. The choice is yours.

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Okay, so I sequester myself and read the Bible every day. What do I do on election day? Vote? Or just stay at home and pray?

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If you're into God's Word, which by your response I can't tell, you'll find direction there. Yes, pray and vote. I confess that sometimes it seems to be the lesser of two evils who are on the ballot.

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But why bother voting? You said that, along with everything else suggested in this thread is not going to work.

You ever hear the story about the The Drowning Man? The one that ends with God telling the dead guy in heaven: "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?" You sound like that guy. There are things we can do to better our situation beyond praying and reading the Bible about it. This thread is about those things.

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Sail on.

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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None of the suggested options are going to work because we have turned away from our Creator, the Lord God Jehovah. We are tasting the bitterness of this country's choice. You can't break down the family God intended and-if the polls are correct that 75% of the country believe in murdering children by abortion-continue those murders and expect to escape God's judgment. We have turned from the Lord God Jehovah to worship the god of this world and the sons and daughters of Satan are following his commands.

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So give up then?

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Or repent and return to the LORD through trust and belief in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Or give up, give in to Satan, and continue on the unsinkable Titanicyou know how that ended. I'd suggest you read God's Word for the truth. Or continue to follow the father of lies to eternal damnation. The choice is yours.

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Okay, so I sequester myself and read the Bible every day. What do I do on election day? Vote? Or just stay at home and pray?

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If you're into God's Word, which by your response I can't tell, you'll find direction there. Yes, pray and vote. I confess that sometimes it seems to be the lesser of two evils who are on the ballot.

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But why bother voting? You said that, along with everything else suggested in this thread is not going to work.

You ever hear the story about the The Drowning Man? The one that ends with God telling the dead guy in heaven: "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?" You sound like that guy. There are things we can do to better our situation beyond praying and reading the Bible about it. This thread is about those things.

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Sail on.

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I'm not sure what that means.

Are you saying I'm a guy in a boat passing you by? And that you are fine with drowning?