From the Halderman Report in Curling v. Raffensperger:

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Beyond these implications for election practice, our work is scientifically significant. It is the first study in more than 10 years to comprehensively and independently assess the security of a widely deployed U.S. voting machine, as well as the first-ever comprehensive security review of a widely deployed ballot marking device. Security researchers studied numerous U.S. voting machines 10-20 years ago, and their findings clearly established that voting equipment tends to suffer from security flaws. Yet one might wonder whether election equipment sold today is more secure than equipment produced in decades past. Our findings suggest that the answer is no. This highlights the need for further enhancements to the software engineering, testing, and certification processes for U.S. voting equipment, and it underscores the importance of conducting rigorous post-election audits of every major electoral contest, as recommended by the National Academies

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Your post does nothing to dispute the original claim which is about signature verification and generated ballots.

Also from the Halderman Report:

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The ICX is a commercial off-the-shelf (COTS) tablet computer running the same Android operating system used in devices like mobile phones. The voting functions are provided by a custom app written by Dominion. Georgia's version of the software (Democracy Suite 5.5-A) uses Android 5.1.1, which has not been updated (even to address security vulnerabilities) since 2015.

We applied an open-ended vulnerability testing methodology, in which we assumed the role of an attacker and attempted to find ways to compromise the system. Over approximately 12 person-weeks of investigation, we found vulnerabilities in practically every significant attack surface and developed several proof-of-concept attacks to exploit them.

The most critical vulnerability we found is a software flaw that would allow an attacker to spread malware from a county's central election management system (EMS) computer to every ICX in the jurisdiction. Before an election, workers use the EMS to prepare an election definitiondata files that describe what's on the ballotand they copy this data from the central computer to every ICX using USB sticks.

We discovered a vulnerability in the ICX software that loads the election definitions. By modifying the election definition file in a precise way, an attacker can exploit the vulnerability to install arbitrary malicious code that executes with root privilege when the ICX loads the election definition.

The underlying problem is a classic "Zip Slip" vulnerability (in which a modified .zip file can overwrite arbitrary filesystem paths when it is decompressed), coupled with a badly designed system-level service that facilitates privilege escalation.

This attack is especially dangerous because it is scalablea single intrusion to the EMS computer in a county office could affect equipment in polling places over a very wide area. Attackers do not need access to each individual machine.

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Applying that flaw when loading ballot definition files to the AZ 2022 midterms, you see how that 19 inch image was being printed on 20 inch paper, negating that ballot's readability by the tabulators. Plus because Maricopa County has countywide voting, there were over 12,000 different ballot definition files to check for flaws before that election. Something the election official Scott Jarrett admitted was not done.

BREAKING: Footage of COUNTED duplicated ballots from Fulton County, Georgia from the 2020 election has been released by journalist @TalkMullins
pic.twitter.com/bN1S37GwhX

— Antonio Sabato Jr (@AntonioSabatoJr) August 16, 2023

aggiehawg said:

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Also from the Halderman Report:

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The ICX is a commercial off-the-shelf (COTS) tablet computer running the same Android operating system used in devices like mobile phones. The voting functions are provided by a custom app written by Dominion. Georgia's version of the software (Democracy Suite 5.5-A) uses Android 5.1.1, which has not been updated (even to address security vulnerabilities) since 2015.

We applied an open-ended vulnerability testing methodology, in which we assumed the role of an attacker and attempted to find ways to compromise the system. Over approximately 12 person-weeks of investigation, we found vulnerabilities in practically every significant attack surface and developed several proof-of-concept attacks to exploit them.

The most critical vulnerability we found is a software flaw that would allow an attacker to spread malware from a county's central election management system (EMS) computer to every ICX in the jurisdiction. Before an election, workers use the EMS to prepare an election definitiondata files that describe what's on the ballotand they copy this data from the central computer to every ICX using USB sticks.

We discovered a vulnerability in the ICX software that loads the election definitions. By modifying the election definition file in a precise way, an attacker can exploit the vulnerability to install arbitrary malicious code that executes with root privilege when the ICX loads the election definition.

The underlying problem is a classic "Zip Slip" vulnerability (in which a modified .zip file can overwrite arbitrary filesystem paths when it is decompressed), coupled with a badly designed system-level service that facilitates privilege escalation.

This attack is especially dangerous because it is scalablea single intrusion to the EMS computer in a county office could affect equipment in polling places over a very wide area. Attackers do not need access to each individual machine.

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Applying that flaw when loading ballot definition files to the AZ 2022 midterms, you see how that 19 inch image was being printed on 20 inch paper, negating that ballot's readability by the tabulators. Plus because Maricopa County has countywide voting, there were over 12,000 different ballot definition files to check for flaws before that election. Something the election official Scott Jarrett admitted was not done.

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The obvious solution to the issue of having scaled images as well as ballots printed off center would be for there to be certain marks on the ballots that could be used by the software to re-scale and line up the image in memory to put everything in its proper place before interpreting the image.



That could be the reason for the vertical bars on the top and the squares on each side. While we don't know if they actually did this, it would seem to be the logical thing to do.

This one is from Georgia. Note, again, the presence of horizontal bars that could be used to scale the image in memory in order to read it accurately. Again, we don't know if they did that, but it would be the logical thing to do.

Another Georgia ballot. On this one, the bars appear to match the bars in the example from Arizona.

From Judge Totenberg's November 2023 order and opinion. Bench trial set for Jan 9th. But as she makes clear here, there are things she can and cannot do.

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To be clear from the start, the Court does not have the legal authority to grant the broadest relief that Plaintiffs request in this case without directly infringing on the state legislature's vested power to enact legislation. Even if Plaintiffs prevail on their substantive claims, the Court cannot order the Georgia legislature to pass legislation creating a paper ballot voting system or judicially impose a statewide paper ballot system as injunctive relief in this case. Quite simply, the Court has the legal authority to identify constitutional deficiencies with the existing voting system, but it does not have the power to prescribe or mandate new voting systems (i.e., a paper ballot system) to replace the current, legislatively enacted system. See Burdick v. Takushi, 504 U.S. 428, 43334, 112 S.Ct. 2059, 119 L.Ed.2d 245 (1992); Wood v. Raffensperger, 501 F. Supp. 3d 1310, 132728 (N.D. Ga. 2020), aff'd, 981 F.3d 1307 (11th Cir. 2020).

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That said, as the Eleventh Circuit previously recognized in this case, "suits challenging election procedures [or policies] are routine," and there are critical issues raised in this case that do not "present a political question beyond this Court's reach." Curling v. Raffensperger, 50 F.4th 1114, 1121 n.3 (11th Cir. 2022). Still, Plaintiffs carry a heavy burden to establish a constitutional violation connected to Georgia's BMD electronic voting system, whether in the manner in which the State Defendants have implemented the voting system i.e., that it imposes serious security voting risks and burdens impacting Plaintiffs' voting rights or otherwise. If Plaintiffs prevail at trial on one or more of their claims, there are pragmatic, sound remedial policy measures that could be ordered or agreed upon by the parties, such as (1) providing for the use of printed ballots for vote counting without the use of QR codes, (2) administering a broader scope and number of election audits to address vote count accuracy and other related issues, and (3) implementing other essential cybersecurity measures and policies recommended by the nation's leading cybersecurity experts and firms, including the Department of Homeland Security's CISA.

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In-person-only voting creates an inherent control in that it takes an effort for registered voters to actually go exercise their right. It reduces the risk of installed empty suits and forces candidates to be more persuasive and credible. A government-issued ID as a requirement to vote helps prove that the person voting is the person who is registered. Proof of citizenship/ eligibility (over 18, not a felon, etc.) and residence should be required and retained to register to vote. Requirements that registration rolls be refreshed or verified or voters re-register periodically keeps it relevant and accurate for ongoing pertinence and helps reduce fraud or errors where people have moved or died. Requirements for registration rolls to be secured reduces misuse and fraud as several states have had their rolls hacked or leaked. ERIC database, which allows public access for misuse and fraud, should be destroyed. Absentee voting should be limited and require special circumstances and, where used, signature verification and/or copy of ID should be required to be included and retained with the ballots - not on an envelope separated from ballots and discarded after opening. Local election workers should not be able to turn off or dial down signature verification threshold settings and configurations for absentee ballots received. Unusually high rates of ballot adjudication for mailed in absentee ballots by local election workers should be investigated and questioned.

...but I wonder why democrats fight tooth and nail against all of these things. Are all these anti-fraud controls racist voter suppression? TIME magazine calls these efforts "fortifying" elections. Are democrats worried that socialist policies won't be popular enough to win elections because a high percentage of the 40% of Americans who pay taxes and actually fund the government vote if a lower percentage of the 60% with no skin in the game actually have to make an effort to vote for more government instead of well-funded socialist NGOs doing it all for them through the mail?

If 2020 Georgia election fraud accusations were getting much traction with Georgia voters, can anyone explain why Brad Raffensperger easily won re-election in Nov. 2022 for second term as Secretary of State against a Trump backed candidate, and even though Trump hates him because Raffensperger didn't back his attempts to overturn the election results in 2020?

Given that fact, doesnt pass the smell test that Trump has made a strong case of 2020 election fraud even with the voters in that very state.

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Re-litigating the 2020 election will cause Trump and the GOP to lose 2024.

Attack Biden and the Democrats, ffs.

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So in other words, "let them cheat again."

Pumpkinhead said:

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If 2020 Georgia election fraud accusations were getting much traction with Georgia voters, can anyone explain why Brad Raffensperger easily won re-election in Nov. 2022 for second term as Secretary of State against a Trump backed candidate, and even though Trump hates him because Raffensperger didn't back his attempts to overturn the election resulta in 2020?

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Easy. Same stuff that happened in 2020 happened again in 2022 and both Kemp and Raffensperger benefited from it.

Raffensperger and Maricopa County's Bill Gates were the only Republicans specifically invited to a DC conference of Dem Secs of State and other Dem election officials to plan for 2024 election. Ironically or not, that conference was in the Spy Museum in DC last May.

There are rumors that I have not been able to authenticate yet that Raffensperger is trying to avoit having to testify at the upcoming trial in the Curling case.

By 'same stuff' you are speculating that 2022 election results in Georgia were also fraudulent?

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By 'same stuff' you are speculating that 2022 election results in Georgia were also fraudulent?

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Yes. They are still using Dominion AND the same software that CISA sent out an alert that it needed to be patched to "fix" some of the massive security issues identified by Halderman. Raffensperger refused to install those until after the 2024 election. He claims it would be too much work.

So what do you think?

ETA: The Halderman Report was filed and sealed by the court in 2021. Raffensperger is a named party to the case. He's know since then that Dominion's software is all messed up.

Trump got steamrolled. Embarrassing loss

And AZ, PA, and probably VA. But the refs said no.

...Chvez rig elections using Smartmatic machines, and that "the software and fundamental design of the electronic electoral system and software of Dominion ... relies upon software that is a descendent of the Smartmatic Electoral Management System.

Third World Country problems without a border.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/01/swing-state-counties-that-used-dominion-voting-machines-mostly-voted-trump/

How would you respond to analysis such as this article outlining the case that accusations thus far against Dominion are not credible?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/01/swing-state-counties-that-used-dominion-voting-machines-mostly-voted-trump/

How would you respond to analysis such as this article outlining the case that accusations thus far against Dominion are not credible?

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It's WaPo. Who believes WaPo anymore?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/01/swing-state-counties-that-used-dominion-voting-machines-mostly-voted-trump/

How would you respond to analysis such as this article outlining the case that accusations thus far against Dominion are not credible?

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In what way does that logically act as a counter argument.

The dominion voting systems are susceptible to manipulation. Yeah but look some counties that used the system voted for Trump. Well that's probably because those counties always vote heavy R. It is a game of small changes to win. Which is obvious.

It looks like we are headed for Biden vs Trump II.

I'm putting my money on the old white guy!

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Pumpkinhead said:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/01/swing-state-counties-that-used-dominion-voting-machines-mostly-voted-trump/

How would you respond to analysis such as this article outlining the case that accusations thus far against Dominion are not credible?

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In what way does that logically act as a counter argument.

The dominion voting systems are susceptible to manipulation. Yeah but look some counties that used the system voted for Trump. Well that's probably because those counties always vote heavy R. It is a game of small changes to win. Which is obvious.

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Plus Runbeck printed all of the mail in ballots for Fulton County GA using an already compromised voter roll list that Judge Totenberg had expressed serous concerns about.

2040huck said:

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Trump got steamrolled. Embarrassing loss

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Why didnt Fl, IA, and OH follow suit? Why was it only swing states with questionable tallies from Dark Blue cities?

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2040huck said:

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Trump got steamrolled. Embarrassing loss

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Why didnt Fl, IA, and OH follow suit? Why was it only swing states with questionable tallies from Dark Blue cities?

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because turning a few thousand absentee ballots into a few million mass-mailed out ballots was not as easy to take advantage of in FL, IA, and OH where there's just a little bit tighter controls operating. ...and when there's anti-fraud controls, they call it "racist voter suppression".

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Barnyard96 said:

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2040huck said:

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Trump got steamrolled. Embarrassing loss

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Why didnt Fl, IA, and OH follow suit? Why was it only swing states with questionable tallies from Dark Blue cities?

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because turning a few thousand absentee ballots into a few million mass-mailed out ballots was not as easy to take advantage of in FL, IA, and OH where there's just a little bit tighter controls operating. ...and when there's anti-fraud controls, they call it "racist voter suppression".

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David Plouffe, Obama's digital database guru, was selecting the locations for the zuckbucks and drop box locations. All of those CTCL "grants" were very specific and had clawback clauses in them if the election officials did not follow their (Plouffe's) instructions..

Kellso said:

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It looks like we are headed for Biden vs Trump II.

I'm putting my money on the old white guy!

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Living on the edge, huh?

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Pumpkinhead said:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/01/swing-state-counties-that-used-dominion-voting-machines-mostly-voted-trump/

How would you respond to analysis such as this article outlining the case that accusations thus far against Dominion are not credible?

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In what way does that logically act as a counter argument.

The dominion voting systems are susceptible to manipulation. Yeah but look some counties that used the system voted for Trump. Well that's probably because those counties always vote heavy R. It is a game of small changes to win. Which is obvious.

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Plus Runbeck printed all of the mail in ballots for Fulton County GA using an already compromised voter roll list that Judge Totenberg had expressed serous concerns about.

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Unless a case can be made in court, isnt this all no better than speculation? You have message board and media driven entities on both sides saying things, but our courts are supposed to be where stuff gets resolved, and if Trump's lawyers were not able to make a compelling case in any court in any state then how am I as a voter supposed to completely buy in that significant enough fraud that turned an election actually occurred?

I am not just going to believe in conspiracy theories by either side. I'd like to see a compelling case made in a court of law. Am I correct that Trump has yet been able to successfully do that?

Pumpkinhead said:

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Unless a case can be made in court, isnt this all no better than speculation? You have message board and media driven entities on both sides saying things, but our courts are supposed to be where stuff gets resolved, and if Trump's lawyers were not able to make a compelling case in any court in any state then how am I as a voter supposed to completely buy in that significant enough fraud that turned an election actually occurred?

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81M votes for an incontinent, potted plant

The response that is coming is that no one was allowed to argue that facts because the courts all chickened out because of "standing."

Not true, but that's the response.

aggiehawg said:

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oh no said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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2040huck said:

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Trump got steamrolled. Embarrassing loss

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Why didnt Fl, IA, and OH follow suit? Why was it only swing states with questionable tallies from Dark Blue cities?

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because turning a few thousand absentee ballots into a few million mass-mailed out ballots was not as easy to take advantage of in FL, IA, and OH where there's just a little bit tighter controls operating. ...and when there's anti-fraud controls, they call it "racist voter suppression".

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David Plouffe, Obama's digital database guru, was selecting the locations for the zuckbucks and drop box locations. All of those CTCL "grants" were very specific and had clawback clauses in them if the election officials did not follow their (Plouffe's) instructions..

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and even if someone like TTV was able to obtain thousands of terabytes of cellular data and perform the analytics that tie over 2000 cell phones across just a couple of cities in swing states that visited drop boxes more than 10x and CTCL office leases, it's immediately dismissed because it could have been uber drivers and gps data is only accurate in certain situations, like when hunting people who were near the capitol on 1/6.

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Unless a case can be made in court, isnt this all no better than speculation? You have message board and media driven entities on both sides saying things, but our courts are supposed to be where stuff gets resolved, and if Trump's lawyers were not able to make a compelling case in any court in any state then how am I as a voter supposed to completely buy in that significant enough fraud that turned an election actually occurred?

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81M votes for an incontinent, potted plant

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What percentage of the 81M votes weren't FOR the potted plant, but against the Bad Orange Man?

The response that is coming is that court cases weren't heard or were dismissed so therefore there was no fraud and it was the most secure election ever.

Not true, but that's the response.

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captkirk said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Unless a case can be made in court, isnt this all no better than speculation? You have message board and media driven entities on both sides saying things, but our courts are supposed to be where stuff gets resolved, and if Trump's lawyers were not able to make a compelling case in any court in any state then how am I as a voter supposed to completely buy in that significant enough fraud that turned an election actually occurred?

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81M votes for an incontinent, potted plant

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What percentage of the 81M votes weren't FOR the potted plant, but against the Bad Orange Man?

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My guess : A LARGE %

That only played out in dark blue cities. Weird that Trump out performed in IA, OH, and FL

Barnyard96 said:

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2040huck said:

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Trump got steamrolled. Embarrassing loss

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Why didnt Fl, IA, and OH follow suit? Why was it only swing states with questionable tallies from Dark Blue cities?

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306-232 get over it