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If you're going to open state buildings for one religion, you have to open it for all religions.

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Lol no we don't?

That's not how It works in many countries, and idc who you are...I think rational human beings can draw a line at celebrating pure evil.

Thanks for the input, but take that moral equivalency nonsense & send it to the landfill.

ETA: Being "fair," doesn't have to include satanic worship/symbols.

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Which religion does the 1st Amendment say we're free to practice?

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Oh I don't care lol. This is how the left plays games, and I'm not playing.

I completely reject the premise here.

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Nice to see you're willing to throw the parts of our Constitution in the trash you don't like.

The First Amendment wasn't written just for the stuff you like. It was written for the stuff you don't like.

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In this context the founders wrote the constitution for a wholly morale people. Satanism and worshipping of evil is not, so you're wrong.

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Satanists in this context are merely atheists trolling Christians. They're no more or less moral than other atheists. They don't actually worship satan.

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Six posts up genius.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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Pizza said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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If you're going to open state buildings for one religion, you have to open it for all religions.

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Lol no we don't?

That's not how It works in many countries, and idc who you are...I think rational human beings can draw a line at celebrating pure evil.

Thanks for the input, but take that moral equivalency nonsense & send it to the landfill.

ETA: Being "fair," doesn't have to include satanic worship/symbols.

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Which religion does the 1st Amendment say we're free to practice?

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Oh I don't care lol. This is how the left plays games, and I'm not playing.

I completely reject the premise here.

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Nice to see you're willing to throw the parts of our Constitution in the trash you don't like.

The First Amendment wasn't written just for the stuff you like. It was written for the stuff you don't like.

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In this context the founders wrote the constitution for a wholly morale people. Satanism and worshipping of evil is not, so you're wrong.

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Satanists in this context are merely atheists trolling Christians. They're no more or less moral than other atheists. They don't actually worship satan.

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Six posts up genius.

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Those are not the same people putting Satan statues in public buildings genius.

That is not true. Our founding fathers built this country and its constitution on the principle that God gave us unalienable rights. We don't have to treat all religions the same. No where in the constitution does it say that.

[sarcasm]Oh. So the 1st Amendment specifies which religions we have freedom of practicing? I'll have to go back and read that again. Thank you for the info... not sure how I missed that.[/sarcasm]

Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Well, we will see what the final Judge has to say about that.

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Since they are still doing Satan's work & bidding, does it really matter that they think they are just trolling?

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Since they are still doing Satan's work & bidding, does it really matter that they think they are just trolling?

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Are they breaking the law?
It's not illegal to be brainwashed or to follow the teachings of lunatics. I hope we are far away from the imprisoned of citizens for thought crimes.

tysker said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Since they are still doing Satan's work & bidding, does it really matter that they think they are just trolling?

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Are they breaking the law?
It's not illegal to be brainwashed or to follow the teachings of lunatics. I hope we are far away from the imprisoned of citizens for thought crimes.

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No. But there should be some parameters for what is recognized as a religionthey are not that and shouldn't be protected.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Since they are still doing Satan's work & bidding, does it really matter that they think they are just trolling?

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Are they breaking the law?
It's not illegal to be brainwashed or to follow the teachings of lunatics. I hope we are far away from the imprisoned of citizens for thought crimes.

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No. But there should be some parameters for what is recognized as a religionthey are not that and shouldn't be protected.

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Who do you trust to create, execute, and maintain those parameters? Are you willing to be on the losing end of that deal?

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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tysker said:

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Since they are still doing Satan's work & bidding, does it really matter that they think they are just trolling?

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Are they breaking the law?
It's not illegal to be brainwashed or to follow the teachings of lunatics. I hope we are far away from the imprisoned of citizens for thought crimes.

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No. But there should be some parameters for what is recognized as a religionthey are not that and shouldn't be protected.

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Who do you trust to create, execute, and maintain those parameters? Are you willing to be on the losing end of that deal?

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The reasonable people. Catholics of course.

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Since they are still doing Satan's work & bidding, does it really matter that they think they are just trolling?

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Are they breaking the law?
It's not illegal to be brainwashed or to follow the teachings of lunatics. I hope we are far away from the imprisoned of citizens for thought crimes.

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No. But there should be some parameters for what is recognized as a religionthey are not that and shouldn't be protected.

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Who do you trust to create, execute, and maintain those parameters? Are you willing to be on the losing end of that deal?

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The reasonable people. Catholics of course.

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Yes.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Since they are still doing Satan's work & bidding, does it really matter that they think they are just trolling?

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Are they breaking the law?
It's not illegal to be brainwashed or to follow the teachings of lunatics. I hope we are far away from the imprisoned of citizens for thought crimes.

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No. But there should be some parameters for what is recognized as a religionthey are not that and shouldn't be protected.

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Who do you trust to create, execute, and maintain those parameters? Are you willing to be on the losing end of that deal?

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The reasonable people. Catholics of course.

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Touche. I was going to suggest the Jews as they control everything already

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Since they are still doing Satan's work & bidding, does it really matter that they think they are just trolling?

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Are they breaking the law?
It's not illegal to be brainwashed or to follow the teachings of lunatics. I hope we are far away from the imprisoned of citizens for thought crimes.

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No. But there should be some parameters for what is recognized as a religionthey are not that and shouldn't be protected.

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Who do you trust to create, execute, and maintain those parameters? Are you willing to be on the losing end of that deal?

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The reasonable people. Catholics of course.

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Touche. I was going to suggest the Jews as they control everything already

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Don't be ridiculous.

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If you're going to open state buildings for one religion, you have to open it for all religions.

Keep religion out of government buildings if you don't want to see Satan or Allah worshipped there. You always have your own freedom of religion.

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Libertarians think they are being fair but they really are just being stupid. Satanism isn't a religion.

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You do realize the "Satanists" aren't worshipping the chriatian devil right?

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Yes. Yes the are.

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No, no they aren't. I've always been amazed how entitled some people feel to tell others what they believe.

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I'm a musician part time and know several satanists. The ones I know do worship Satan and one of them always greets me with a "hail satan" with a smile. Regrettably, you are not correct in every case.

I only know one satanist that espouses it means worshipping nothing and there is no, nor should there be any religion.

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Have they sold their soul in exchange for fame?

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Actually Satan is the one doing the trolling, and it's towards them. The Satanic Temple is vehemently antiChrist. At the largest Satanic gathering (Satancon) they ripped apart on religious book in their opening ceremony. Wanna take a stab at which one?

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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I agree. But it does raise the question, from a legal perspective, of what distinguishes "a real religion" from "trolling". Does Scientology count? Or Mormonism?

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If you're going to open state buildings for one religion, you have to open it for all religions.

Keep religion out of government buildings if you don't want to see Satan or Allah worshipped there. You always have your own freedom of religion.

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Libertarians think they are being fair but they really are just being stupid. Satanism isn't a religion.

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You do realize the "Satanists" aren't worshipping the chriatian devil right?

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Of course they are. All pagan gods were actually real entities tasked by God to be stewards over gentiles after the Tower of Babel. They failed at this task and then were condemned for all Eternity when Jesus died on the Cross. They subsequently allied themselves with Satan and do everything they can to destroy humanity including making Christians impotent, possession, and getting non-Christians to reject Jesus.

You are either with God, or you worship Satan, there is no in between. Fence sitters do not exist in Christianity and it is very black and white.

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If you're going to open state buildings for one religion, you have to open it for all religions.

Keep religion out of government buildings if you don't want to see Satan or Allah worshipped there. You always have your own freedom of religion.

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Libertarians think they are being fair but they really are just being stupid. Satanism isn't a religion.

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You do realize the "Satanists" aren't worshipping the chriatian devil right?

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Yes. Yes the are.

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Does it matter who/what they're worshiping if it's part of their religion, though? I've seen plenty of anger and hatred towards Muslims for their beliefs and who they worship. What is the difference for Satanists or any other religion?

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That's my point. It should. Religion in the context of the constitution should be the abrahamic Creator.

Worshipping the devil or shiva or any paganism just needs to be laughed at. There should be no protection for those as it isn't reasonable dogma that comes from those religions.

Put simply, if your religion worships baby sacrifice or paga blood rituals, you can gtfo.

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Religion in the context of the Constitution was strictly a Christian one. You have to remember these guys and most of Early Colonial America came from a Europe awash with violent wars of competing denominations and Protestants vs Catholic wars. The entire idea behind it was restricted to Christianity only and never intended to be used for non-Christian religions, not even the other Abrahamic religions.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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If you're going to open state buildings for one religion, you have to open it for all religions.

Keep religion out of government buildings if you don't want to see Satan or Allah worshipped there. You always have your own freedom of religion.

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Libertarians think they are being fair but they really are just being stupid. Satanism isn't a religion.

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You do realize the "Satanists" aren't worshipping the chriatian devil right?

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Yes. Yes the are.

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Does it matter who/what they're worshiping if it's part of their religion, though? I've seen plenty of anger and hatred towards Muslims for their beliefs and who they worship. What is the difference for Satanists or any other religion?

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That's my point. It should. Religion in the context of the constitution should be the abrahamic Creator.

Worshipping the devil or shiva or any paganism just needs to be laughed at. There should be no protection for those as it isn't reasonable dogma that comes from those religions.

Put simply, if your religion worships baby sacrifice or paga blood rituals, you can gtfo.

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Would you consider what the founding fathers did, then, to be overly accepting of any and all religions, or a failure on their part to understand that things would change in time? Or something else on their part?

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I would consider it a failure on the part of latter people to understand their intent. They were clear in the Federalists papers and their many letters. These were just ignored.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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If you're going to open state buildings for one religion, you have to open it for all religions.

Keep religion out of government buildings if you don't want to see Satan or Allah worshipped there. You always have your own freedom of religion.

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Libertarians think they are being fair but they really are just being stupid. Satanism isn't a religion.

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You do realize the "Satanists" aren't worshipping the chriatian devil right?

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Yes. Yes the are.

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Does it matter who/what they're worshiping if it's part of their religion, though? I've seen plenty of anger and hatred towards Muslims for their beliefs and who they worship. What is the difference for Satanists or any other religion?

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That's my point. It should. Religion in the context of the constitution should be the abrahamic Creator.

Worshipping the devil or shiva or any paganism just needs to be laughed at. There should be no protection for those as it isn't reasonable dogma that comes from those religions.

Put simply, if your religion worships baby sacrifice or paga blood rituals, you can gtfo.

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Religion in the context of the Constitution was strictly a Christian one. You have to remember these guys and most of Early Colonial America came from a Europe awash with violent wars of competing denominations and Protestants vs Catholic wars. The entire idea behind it was restricted to Christianity only and never intended to be used for non-Christian religions, not even the other Abrahamic religions.

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Agreed. Most are ignorant on that part of the context of when the Constitution was written.

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I am always amazed at how many Americans are willing and motivated to restrict others from practicing their religion

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I am always amazed at how many Americans are willing and motivated to restrict others from practicing their religion

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I am always amazed at how libertarians will defend practices that if continue to manifest will destroy the country they claim to love.

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Says every leftie I know

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Lmao right.. Christianity and satanism are not equivalent in any way. So stop pretending like we should treat them as if they are. You don't win any points for having theoretical principles that can't be practical if you tried. You're no different from one of those "communism just hasn't been down properly" folks.

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Freedom of speech, religion, and expression aren't practical? Authoritarian, please. Your friends on the other side of the horseshoe say the same thing about the 2A. When you're in the right you dont need to destroy your opponents or their false idols to prove it.

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My duty is to God, family, and then nation in that exact order. I care about human laws only insofar as they enforce the will of God. Now that they have abandoned this, it's pretty clear our nation has strayed from its purpose.

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I am always amazed at how many Americans are willing and motivated to restrict others from practicing their religion

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I am always amazed at how libertarians will defend practices that if continue to manifest will destroy the country they claim to love.

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Says every leftie I know

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Lmao right.. Christianity and satanism are not equivalent in any way. So stop pretending like we should treat them as if they are. You don't win any points for having theoretical principles that can't be practical if you tried. You're no different from one of those "communism just hasn't been down properly" folks.

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Freedom of speech, religion, and expression aren't practical? Authoritarian, please. Your friends on the other side of the horseshoe say the same thing about the 2A. When you're in the right you dont need to destroy your opponents or their false idols to prove it.

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My duty is to God, family, and then nation in that exact order. I care about human laws only insofar as they enforce the will of God. Now that they have abandoned this, it's pretty clear our nation has strayed from its purpose.

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Would you say our country and the Constitution are becoming, or have become, an enemy of God? If so, would you assist God in His punishment against our country and the Constitution?

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I am always amazed at how many Americans are willing and motivated to restrict others from practicing their religion

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I am always amazed at how libertarians will defend practices that if continue to manifest will destroy the country they claim to love.

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Says every leftie I know

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Lmao right.. Christianity and satanism are not equivalent in any way. So stop pretending like we should treat them as if they are. You don't win any points for having theoretical principles that can't be practical if you tried. You're no different from one of those "communism just hasn't been down properly" folks.

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Freedom of speech, religion, and expression aren't practical? Authoritarian, please. Your friends on the other side of the horseshoe say the same thing about the 2A. When you're in the right you dont need to destroy your opponents or their false idols to prove it.

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My duty is to God, family, and then nation in that exact order. I care about human laws only insofar as they enforce the will of God. Now that they have abandoned this, it's pretty clear our nation has strayed from its purpose.

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Would you say our country and the Constitution are becoming, or have become, an enemy of God? If so, would you assist God in His punishment against our country and the Constitution?

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The current clown world seems to be a punishment to me. Classic FedPost though.

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I am always amazed at how many Americans are willing and motivated to restrict others from practicing their religion

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I am always amazed at how libertarians will defend practices that if continue to manifest will destroy the country they claim to love.

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Says every leftie I know

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Lmao right.. Christianity and satanism are not equivalent in any way. So stop pretending like we should treat them as if they are. You don't win any points for having theoretical principles that can't be practical if you tried. You're no different from one of those "communism just hasn't been down properly" folks.

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Freedom of speech, religion, and expression aren't practical? Authoritarian, please. Your friends on the other side of the horseshoe say the same thing about the 2A. When you're in the right you dont need to destroy your opponents or their false idols to prove it.

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My duty is to God, family, and then nation in that exact order. I care about human laws only insofar as they enforce the will of God. Now that they have abandoned this, it's pretty clear our nation has strayed from its purpose.

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Would you say our country and the Constitution are becoming, or have become, an enemy of God? If so, would you assist God in His punishment against our country and the Constitution?

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For the most part yes to both and if necessary yes to the latter.

If the Constitution applied strictly to Christian denominations as it was originally intended then I would have been fine with it.

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If you're going to open state buildings for one religion, you have to open it for all religions.

Keep religion out of government buildings if you don't want to see Satan or Allah worshipped there. You always have your own freedom of religion.

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Libertarians think they are being fair but they really are just being stupid. Satanism isn't a religion.

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You do realize the "Satanists" aren't worshipping the chriatian devil right?

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They are largely atheists.

They don't actually warship Satan.
It's all about self-gratification. Hedonism. They don't want to eat babies. To them, Satan represents doing what makes you feel good, rather than what morality instructs.

I'm not condoning what they do, just clarifying they don't actually warship Satan in the way you're imagining.

Buddha, Shiva, Allah, Satan, and the Flying Spaghetti monster all get to be in the public square. As soon as you cede the power to the state to regulate which religion is acceptable or not, based on a standard of "reasonableness", you cant cry in 2050 when Gen Z bans Christianity.

As far as how to respond to atheist trolls or sincere worshippers of Satan, what does the Bible say?

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Ag_of_08 said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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If you're going to open state buildings for one religion, you have to open it for all religions.

Keep religion out of government buildings if you don't want to see Satan or Allah worshipped there. You always have your own freedom of religion.

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Libertarians think they are being fair but they really are just being stupid. Satanism isn't a religion.

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You do realize the "Satanists" aren't worshipping the chriatian devil right?

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They are largely atheists.

They don't actually warship Satan.
It's all about self-gratification. Hedonism. They don't want to eat babies. To them, Satan represents doing what makes you feel good, rather than what morality instructs.

I'm not condoning what they do, just clarifying they don't actually warship Satan in the way you're imagining.

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They may not hold Lucifer worship services, but they do carry out his will.

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Satanism is not a religion. It's a bunch of atheists trolling religions. These are not serious people we're dealing with here.

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Since they are still doing Satan's work & bidding, does it really matter that they think they are just trolling?

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Are they breaking the law?
It's not illegal to be brainwashed or to follow the teachings of lunatics. I hope we are far away from the imprisoned of citizens for thought crimes.

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No. But there should be some parameters for what is recognized as a religionthey are not that and shouldn't be protected.

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Who do you trust to create, execute, and maintain those parameters? Are you willing to be on the losing end of that deal?

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I will take this responsibility on for the sake of the people.

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Buddha, Shiva, Allah, Satan, and the Flying Spaghetti monster all get to be in the public square. As soon as you cede the power to the state to regulate which religion is acceptable or not, based on a standard of "reasonableness", you cant cry in 2050 when Gen Z bans Christianity.

As far as how to respond to atheist trolls or sincere worshippers of Satan, what does the Bible say?

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Which Bible?

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I didn't see a thread on this but I only scanned the first page. Why on God's green earth was there a satan statue in the Iowa state capitol building? Good Lord - we are living in strange times. Off with its head!

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The constitution is/was an easy target for communists to subvert/invert.

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It wasn't the constitution that was the problem, it was the courts that intentionally ignored the meaning and intent of the constitution. The existence of satan statues are proof we are an unserious, unthinking, and backward country. You can see the effects in the unclean, corrupt, and crime-ridden cities that are the centers of unthinking leftism. It is not prevalent in rural areas and small towns where the people haven't been infected with the leftist mind-virus.