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The only good thing that may come out of it is the accelerated demise of the Texas GOP.

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I love this fantasy.


Texas, going purple for the past 20 something years now.

Logos Stick said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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She could have easily fled to New Mexico and had the abortion.

The obsession you guys have with baby killing is unbelievable. Sickening!

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So you're okay with the baby being killed at long as the woman does as you said, which is to to b New Mexico to do it?

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I'm ok with the state of Texas laws being followed, unlike you libs.

That goes for the border and DACA and all the other laws y'all don't like.

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So if the law changes to make abortion fully legal in Texas again you'll be good with it?

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Logos Stick said:

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Logos Stick said:

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She could have easily fled to New Mexico and had the abortion.

The obsession you guys have with baby killing is unbelievable. Sickening!

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So you're okay with the baby being killed at long as the woman does as you said, which is to to b New Mexico to do it?

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I'm ok with the state of Texas laws being followed, unlike you libs.

That goes for the border and DACA and all the other laws y'all don't like.

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So if the law changes to make abortion fully legal in Texas again you'll be good with it?

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I'll try to get it changed, of course, with my vote.

I'm generally pro-life in vast majority of situations but I can absolutely understand an abortion for this reason. A family very close to me had a child born with Trisomy-18 and the child is now 14 years old. It's a true miracle he's still living. He has had somewhere around 60 different hospital stays, countless surgeries, numerous life threatening incidents. I know the toll it takes on the family and the mother. Her full time job is keeping him alive. Obviously this kind of developmental issue leaves the kid unable to communicate and function in his daily life. The child is a true miracle, but I also recognize the toll it has taken on their entire family. Their lives revolve around keeping this kid alive. The mother has two other kids. How has it affected them having a brother with Trisomy-18? Have they gotten to enjoy their childhood? As I stated, in most cases the kids born with 18 pass within a few weeks of birth. By chance they're a true miracle, it does bring a long an enormously taxing situation on the entire family. I don't think this mother I know would opt for an abortion if given the option, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be her choice. This mother's two older kids have been troopers as they spend a lot of time with extended family and friends. They have definitely not had the childhood that a lot of us wish for our kids.

Most people have never heard of Trisomy 18 much less been around someone with it on a regular basis. Before you jump to say that Paxton is doing God's work, try to realize that Paxton has the easy job. He's not a caretaker for someone with Trisomy 18. He has maybe never even been around a child with it on any regular basis. Again, I'm very conservative but even I can recognize this is a very different kind of abortion.

She can travel to have the child aborted. She's gone to FL right now. It's not like she can't or won't travel.

If you want abortions based on quality of life, then get the law changed to allow for abortion of babies with this disorder and other disorders.

I personally think it's a huge slippery slope. My step brother was born with water on the brain. He's an adult now, but it has required lots of time from the parents. And he can never live alone. Allow him to be aborted?

Where do we draw the line?

How about abortions for kids that will be gay, since the left thinks it's genetic, assuming we find the gene? Having a gay child is a huge burden for lots of parents.

It's purely a case by case basis. Does that leave a grey area? Sure, but most things going up to a state's Supreme Court is already in the grey area. But that court can set a precedent. If you don't allow it for Trisomy 18, what could you allow it for? I know it can get worse but from what I've seen in my personal life, that's about as bad as it gets. Did you really just mention Trisomy-18 and an attraction to the same sex in the same post? That tells me you don't understand the severity of what Trisomy-18.

Logos Stick said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Logos Stick said:

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She could have easily fled to New Mexico and had the abortion.

The obsession you guys have with baby killing is unbelievable. Sickening!

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So you're okay with the baby being killed at long as the woman does as you said, which is to to b New Mexico to do it?

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I'm ok with the state of Texas laws being followed, unlike you libs.

That goes for the border and DACA and all the other laws y'all don't like.

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So if the law changes to make abortion fully legal in Texas again you'll be good with it?

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I'll try to get it changed, of course, with my vote.

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I can respect that. Thanks for the honesty.

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Before you jump to say that Paxton is doing God's work, try to realize that Paxton has the easy job. He's not a caretaker for someone with Trisomy 18. He has maybe never even been around a child with it on any regular basis.

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Well, Paxton isn't exactly known for having sympathy toward those in difficult situations.

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It's purely a case by case basis. Does that leave a grey area? Sure, but most things going up to a state's Supreme Court is already in the grey area. But that court can set a precedent. If you don't allow it for Trisomy 18, what could you allow it for? I know it can get worse but from what I've seen in my personal life, that's about as bad as it gets. Did you really just mention Trisomy-18 and an attraction to the same sex in the same post? That tells me you don't understand the severity of what Trisomy-18.

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I understand it very well.

You don't get to judge the impact of one "abnormality" versus another. That's the whole point. You are now sitting in judgement of what passes the test and what doesn't. Who are you to tell a parent that the affliction their child will suffer doesn't rise to the level of abortion.

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She can travel to have the child aborted. She's gone to FL right now. It's not like she can't or won't travel.

If you want abortions based on quality of life, then get the law changed to allow for abortion of babies with this disorder and other disorders.

I personally think it's a huge slippery slope. My step brother was born with water on the brain. He's an adult now, but it has required lots of time from the parents. And he can never live alone. Allow him to be aborted?

Where do we draw the line?

How about abortions for kids that will be gay, since the left thinks it's genetic, assuming we find the gene? Having a gay child is a huge burden for lots of parents.

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You bring up an interesting, albeit non sequitar, with the gay thing. Although my faith doesn't believe in homosexual relationships, I'm pretty sure if you asked many on the right about what to do with gay people....I don't think the answer would be "let them live their life". Its more of a burden for them having to even deal with gay people.

I'm a pretty conservative guy but I absolutely hate the way Texas is governed.

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I'm generally pro-life in vast majority of situations but I can absolutely understand an abortion for this reason. A family very close to me had a child born with Trisomy-18 and the child is now 14 years old. It's a true miracle he's still living. He has had somewhere around 60 different hospital stays, countless surgeries, numerous life threatening incidents. I know the toll it takes on the family and the mother. Her full time job is keeping him alive. Obviously this kind of developmental issue leaves the kid unable to communicate and function in his daily life. The child is a true miracle, but I also recognize the toll it has taken on their entire family. Their lives revolve around keeping this kid alive. The mother has two other kids. How has it affected them having a brother with Trisomy-18? Have they gotten to enjoy their childhood? As I stated, in most cases the kids born with 18 pass within a few weeks of birth. By chance they're a true miracle, it does bring a long an enormously taxing situation on the entire family. I don't think this mother I know would opt for an abortion if given the option, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be her choice. This mother's two older kids have been troopers as they spend a lot of time with extended family and friends. They have definitely not had the childhood that a lot of us wish for our kids.

Most people have never heard of Trisomy 18 much less been around someone with it on a regular basis. Before you jump to say that Paxton is doing God's work, try to realize that Paxton has the easy job. He's not a caretaker for someone with Trisomy 18. He has maybe never even been around a child with it on any regular basis. Again, I'm very conservative but even I can recognize this is a very different kind of abortion.

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Either the child has a right to life or he does not. Would you like to be the one to tell him that he should have been murdered before he was born? Is "because it will demand significant hardship" sufficient to allow a life to be snuffed out in the womb?

These are the utilitarian arguments that have become commonplace in post-Christian America and at root are a symptom of our nihilist national neo-religion of consumerism.

Regardless, there are gay kids who will suffer immensely from being gay, some to the point of suicide, others being disowned by their family.

You blaming or sitting in judgement of the family or society doesn't do a single thing to change that suffering. Thus, why not allow an abortion?

If we are going down this road, then you are just as "bad" as anyone who won't allow it in the case of this child.

because Texas has crossed a line from conservative into something much more sinister. I'm not even sure what to call it now. Abbott's (and Patrick, and Paxton) way of governing is less about pursuing liberty and improving the lives of Texans and more about governing in a divisive, strict, and cruel manner.

I don't know what good they think they're doing by passing laws like this and harassing this poor woman who is already in an awful situation.

The other thing not considerdd is the fact that we can't know the future. Will a cure be found? Doesn't matter in their mind.

Not to mention the Christian notion that suffering is not without purpose.

We can see what happens when a country loses this notion at a policy level by taking a peek at our northern neighbor- "feel sad? Have you considered killing yourself? - the Canadian government."

"living" is more important than merely "being alive".

Keeping that human baby alive, with no chance of living is cruel. Especially to make a political point. And the parents are also keeping it alive for a political point.

No, that's not my job to decide. In the situation I'm familiar with, I'd like for it to be left up to the mother in the case of Trisomy 18. Any other birth defect is irrelevant at the moment. I'm only discussing Trisomy 18 because I think the court can make this a case by case basis and establish precedent from there. Trisomy-21 is a different issue as well. Extremely different life expectancies there. Again, we're talking about a life expectancy of a few days. Please let that sink it. You'd be very hard pressed to find anything shorter.

if a trisomy-9 baby was only suppose to live for four month and lived a beautiful life to the age of seventeen then just think of what god could do for all the other innocent babies the left wants to kill
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/11/03/san-antonio-teen-who-was-not-expected-to-live-past-four-months-old-celebrates-sweet-16-in-style/
https://www.hurleyfuneralhome.com/obituary/kylie-kurtz

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Not to mention the Christian notion that suffering is not without purpose.

We can see what happens when a country loses this notion at a policy level by taking a peek at our northern neighbor- "feel sad? Have you considered killing yourself? - the Canadian government."

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Yeah. And Noah had a giant boat. Get out of here . Take it to the religion board

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if a trisomy-9 baby was only suppose to live for four month and lived a beautiful life to the age of seventeen then just think of what god could do for all the other innocent babies the left wants to kill
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/11/03/san-antonio-teen-who-was-not-expected-to-live-past-four-months-old-celebrates-sweet-16-in-style/
https://www.hurleyfuneralhome.com/obituary/kylie-kurtz

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Even four months is very different from 3 days. Like I said, I know a kid personally with T-18 that is 14. Given the choice, I don't think his mom would abort had she been pregnant with him today. I think she'd do it all over again. I applaud her for being an incredible mother and warrior to support him the way she has. It's truly inspiring. But that doesn't mean that this shouldn't be the mother's decision in severe cases like this.

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It's purely a case by case basis. Does that leave a grey area? Sure, but most things going up to a state's Supreme Court is already in the grey area. But that court can set a precedent. If you don't allow it for Trisomy 18, what could you allow it for? I know it can get worse but from what I've seen in my personal life, that's about as bad as it gets. Did you really just mention Trisomy-18 and an attraction to the same sex in the same post? That tells me you don't understand the severity of what Trisomy-18.

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The point I believe he was trying to make is that if you make an exception for one genetic mutation, why not another genetic mutation? You've already agreed that aborting genetically mutated children is acceptable, so now you're just quibbling over details. The very definition of a slippery slope.

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if a trisomy-9 baby was only suppose to live for four month and lived a beautiful life to the age of seventeen then just think of what god could do for all the other innocent babies the left wants to kill
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/11/03/san-antonio-teen-who-was-not-expected-to-live-past-four-months-old-celebrates-sweet-16-in-style/
https://www.hurleyfuneralhome.com/obituary/kylie-kurtz

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I don't think you'll find anyone who would condemn the parents for having this child. But the error you make is assuming Kate Cox's baby would have a similar outcome. Or by simply saying "the baby survived in this case, so why not in that case?" Very easy for you to sit back and make this decision for other people when it doesnt affect you.

same logic to people who think rape victims should be forced to give birth by saying "I know someone who was raped and gave birth and the child lived a good life." Well that's great, but it's not your decision to make for other people whether you like it or not.

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if a trisomy-9 baby was only suppose to live for four month and lived a beautiful life to the age of seventeen then just think of what god could do for all the other innocent babies the left wants to kill
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/11/03/san-antonio-teen-who-was-not-expected-to-live-past-four-months-old-celebrates-sweet-16-in-style/
https://www.hurleyfuneralhome.com/obituary/kylie-kurtz

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People actually say **** like this when there are millions of babies across the world that don't even have clean water to drink.

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because Texas has crossed a line from conservative into something much more sinister. I'm not even sure what to call it now. Abbott's (and Patrick, and Paxton) way of governing is less about pursuing liberty and improving the lives of Texans and more about governing in a divisive, strict, and cruel manner.

I don't know what good they think they're doing by passing laws like this and harassing this poor woman who is already in an awful situation.

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Luckily, killing children isn't in your definition of sinister.

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No, that's not my job to decide. In the situation I'm familiar with, I'd like for it to be left up to the mother in the case of Trisomy 18. Any other birth defect is irrelevant at the moment. I'm only discussing Trisomy 18 because I think the court can make this a case by case basis and establish precedent from there. Trisomy-21 is a different issue as well. Extremely different life expectancies there. Again, we're talking about a life expectancy of a few days. Please let that sink it. You'd be very hard pressed to find anything shorter.

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Well, what about kids with Down's...there's the high functioning ones and the low functioning ones - the latter can be a LOT of work to raise with numerous medical problems. Should those kids be aborted? Just in case?

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"living" is more important than merely "being alive".

Keeping that human baby alive, with no chance of living is cruel. Especially to make a political point. And the parents are also keeping it alive for a political point.

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All of this is completely true...

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"living" is more important than merely "being alive".

Keeping that human baby alive, with no chance of living is cruel. Especially to make a political point. And the parents are also keeping it alive for a political point.

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Let us know when you get lewy-body so we can have the same discussion.

Edit: to be more fair, this is a moral discussion in a country that doesn't share moral values. Defining what it means to "live" is designed to exclude people from life, not promote it. Most people are comfortable defining what it means to "live" when it doesn't mean their own life is ending.

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No, that's not my job to decide. In the situation I'm familiar with, I'd like for it to be left up to the mother in the case of Trisomy 18. Any other birth defect is irrelevant at the moment. I'm only discussing Trisomy 18 because I think the court can make this a case by case basis and establish precedent from there. Trisomy-21 is a different issue as well. Extremely different life expectancies there. Again, we're talking about a life expectancy of a few days. Please let that sink it. You'd be very hard pressed to find anything shorter.

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Well, what about kids with Down's...there's the high functioning ones and the low functioning ones - the latter can be a LOT of work to raise with numerous medical problems. Should those kids be aborted? Just in case?

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I literally mentioned Down's Syndrome aka Trisomy-21. It is a lot of work but again, net nearly on the same level as T-18. Talking two entirely different genetic mutations.

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because Texas has crossed a line from conservative into something much more sinister. I'm not even sure what to call it now. Abbott's (and Patrick, and Paxton) way of governing is less about pursuing liberty and improving the lives of Texans and more about governing in a divisive, strict, and cruel manner.

I don't know what good they think they're doing by passing laws like this and harassing this poor woman who is already in an awful situation.

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Luckily, killing children isn't in your definition of sinister.

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forcing a suffering woman to continue suffering just so she can give birth to a baby that won't survive (or will already be dead) is pretty damn sinister if you ask me.

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Terrible look for the state, in the Cox case the abortion was deemed medically necessary. End of story, government needs to stay out of people's healthcare. Commies up in the state of Texas, like China.

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No, it was "medically recommended" by one doctor and not "medically necessary".

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GMaster0 said:

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Terrible look for the state, in the Cox case the abortion was deemed medically necessary. End of story, government needs to stay out of people's healthcare. Commies up in the state of Texas, like China.

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No, it was "medically recommended" by one doctor and not "medically necessary".

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So you're okay with the government overriding a doctor?

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Terrible look for the state, in the Cox case the abortion was deemed medically necessary. End of story, government needs to stay out of people's healthcare. Commies up in the state of Texas, like China.

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No, it was "medically recommended" by one doctor and not "medically necessary".

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So you're okay with the government overriding a doctor?

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First of all the law requires more than one doctor to determine it is medically necessary. This did not happen in the case. Second, medically recommended is not the same as medically necessary.

Quit trying to paint that the mom's life is in any additional danger than most pregnancies.

I'm not. I'm trusting the doctors in this instance. I clearly don't know any better than them.

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I'm not. I'm trusting the doctors in this instance. I clearly don't know any better than them.

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I guess you'd trust Dr. Gosnell's opinion right?