aggiehawg said:

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So, solitary confinement in a state prison is what you would prefer for yourself?

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As opposed to getting stabbed? Sure.

The System said:

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I knew the whole thing was a sham, but had no idea how bad. Absolute travesty what happened to all 4 officers, but especially Keong, Lane, and Thao. That judge is a POS and a Chauvin got completely railroaded with an unfair and unconstitutional trial. The chief should have been charged with perjury as well. Just heartbreaking listening to all of the retired Minneapolis officers.

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Chauvin got it much worse. He literally did nothing wrong. He used a departmentally approved restraint technique that looked bad from one angle from a cell phone. Nothing he did caused the death of floyd yet he's in prison for probably the rest of his life, which after what happened a couple weeks ago might not be very long.

Logos Stick said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Weird, that was supposed to be the Mayor dancing.

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I have a Q hawg. I did not follow the trial and I know you did intently.

That female firefighter. What was her story. Was she a prosecution witness? Her demeanor on the street was pretty confrontational.

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That was pretty eye opening for me. She's a Gen Z or Millennial firefighter/paramedic. You can slap a uniform on someone and put them through the training, but the culture wins out. Just abhorrent behavior from someone working for the FD.

aggiehawg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Weird, that was supposed to be the Mayor dancing.

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I have a Q hawg. I did not follow the trial and I know you did intently.

That female firefighter. What was her story. Was she a prosecution witness? Her demeanor on the street was pretty confrontational.

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Yes she was a prosecution witness and as a two year rookie fire department EMS, Judge even allowed her to be qualfied as an expert! She was hostile to the defense counsel while on the stand.

On the day of the indident she was off duty in street clothes and got angry when the officers told her to stay back. She reluctantly admitted that she had her phone and knew station 17 was just down the street, meaning she could have called the station herself, but she didn't. Why?

Because the officers had already called dispatch for EMS twice. The last time being a Code Three, sirens, lights and hauling ass. Same street, straight shot with a few stoplights and just a mile away. Should have been there in three minutes or so, which is less time than she spent arguing with the officers. She did admit she felt badly that she hadn't called the station herself.

About that rookie part. Of the four officers charged, two were rookies, having only been on the job a few days. The two EMS guys who finally showed up from Hennepin County Medicl Center, some distance away, were three and two year rookies. Even the attending at the ER was a resident still under supervision. Peopl at dispatch were two years on the job.

Now, a part of that was due to it being a holiday weekend. Senior members get to pick their shifts off first so rookies tend to get the holiday shifts.

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I believe she said she wished she'd have called 911, not the station itself. But she also said that she regretted no calling 911 because she couldn't understand what was tanking EMS so long to get there b/c she knew there was a station a mile away. She knew the response time was wrong.

The documentary also showed that the first EMS went to Cup Foods instead of the other side of the intersection where Floyd was on the ground. I also seem to recall they stayed away from the scene initially b/c of the hostile crowd.

agracer said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Weird, that was supposed to be the Mayor dancing.

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I have a Q hawg. I did not follow the trial and I know you did intently.

That female firefighter. What was her story. Was she a prosecution witness? Her demeanor on the street was pretty confrontational.

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Yes she was a prosecution witness and as a two year rookie fire department EMS, Judge even allowed her to be qualfied as an expert! She was hostile to the defense counsel while on the stand.

On the day of the indident she was off duty in street clothes and got angry when the officers told her to stay back. She reluctantly admitted that she had her phone and knew station 17 was just down the street, meaning she could have called the station herself, but she didn't. Why?

Because the officers had already called dispatch for EMS twice. The last time being a Code Three, sirens, lights and hauling ass. Same street, straight shot with a few stoplights and just a mile away. Should have been there in three minutes or so, which is less time than she spent arguing with the officers. She did admit she felt badly that she hadn't called the station herself.

About that rookie part. Of the four officers charged, two were rookies, having only been on the job a few days. The two EMS guys who finally showed up from Hennepin County Medicl Center, some distance away, were three and two year rookies. Even the attending at the ER was a resident still under supervision. Peopl at dispatch were two years on the job.

Now, a part of that was due to it being a holiday weekend. Senior members get to pick their shifts off first so rookies tend to get the holiday shifts.

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I believe she said she wished she'd have called 911, not the station itself. But she also said that she regretted no calling 911 because she couldn't understand what was tanking EMS so long to get there b/c she knew there was a station a mile away. She knew the response time was wrong.

The documentary also showed that the first EMS went to Cup Foods instead of the other side of the intersection where Floyd was on the ground. I also seem to recall they stayed away from the scene initially b/c of the hostile crowd.

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She damn sure didn't offer to help him.....what a loser.

Just watched the film absolutely disgusting didn't realize its whole focus was on george od floyd. There are other factors that have led to the downfall of floyd that started long before his death. They should have spend some time driving around filming more locations today revealing how bad that place has become.

JFABNRGR said:

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agracer said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Weird, that was supposed to be the Mayor dancing.

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I have a Q hawg. I did not follow the trial and I know you did intently.

That female firefighter. What was her story. Was she a prosecution witness? Her demeanor on the street was pretty confrontational.

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Yes she was a prosecution witness and as a two year rookie fire department EMS, Judge even allowed her to be qualfied as an expert! She was hostile to the defense counsel while on the stand.

On the day of the indident she was off duty in street clothes and got angry when the officers told her to stay back. She reluctantly admitted that she had her phone and knew station 17 was just down the street, meaning she could have called the station herself, but she didn't. Why?

Because the officers had already called dispatch for EMS twice. The last time being a Code Three, sirens, lights and hauling ass. Same street, straight shot with a few stoplights and just a mile away. Should have been there in three minutes or so, which is less time than she spent arguing with the officers. She did admit she felt badly that she hadn't called the station herself.

About that rookie part. Of the four officers charged, two were rookies, having only been on the job a few days. The two EMS guys who finally showed up from Hennepin County Medicl Center, some distance away, were three and two year rookies. Even the attending at the ER was a resident still under supervision. Peopl at dispatch were two years on the job.

Now, a part of that was due to it being a holiday weekend. Senior members get to pick their shifts off first so rookies tend to get the holiday shifts.

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I believe she said she wished she'd have called 911, not the station itself. But she also said that she regretted no calling 911 because she couldn't understand what was tanking EMS so long to get there b/c she knew there was a station a mile away. She knew the response time was wrong.

The documentary also showed that the first EMS went to Cup Foods instead of the other side of the intersection where Floyd was on the ground. I also seem to recall they stayed away from the scene initially b/c of the hostile crowd.

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She damn sure didn't offer to help him.....what a loser.

Just watched the film absolutely disgusting didn't realize its whole focus was on george od floyd. There are other factors that have led to the downfall of floyd that started long before his death. They should have spend some time driving around filming more locations today revealing how bad that place has become.

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Actually, she did. She kept telling Tao that she was EMS, but she was in plain clothes and didn't have her ID as she was off duty. If she had called 911, she maybe tells dispatch to send the truck that was 1-mile away and they get there before he dies.

No police officer is going to let a random citizen help a suspect who has been combative and resisting arrest because they claim to be EMS.

agracer said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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agracer said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Weird, that was supposed to be the Mayor dancing.

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I have a Q hawg. I did not follow the trial and I know you did intently.

That female firefighter. What was her story. Was she a prosecution witness? Her demeanor on the street was pretty confrontational.

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Yes she was a prosecution witness and as a two year rookie fire department EMS, Judge even allowed her to be qualfied as an expert! She was hostile to the defense counsel while on the stand.

On the day of the indident she was off duty in street clothes and got angry when the officers told her to stay back. She reluctantly admitted that she had her phone and knew station 17 was just down the street, meaning she could have called the station herself, but she didn't. Why?

Because the officers had already called dispatch for EMS twice. The last time being a Code Three, sirens, lights and hauling ass. Same street, straight shot with a few stoplights and just a mile away. Should have been there in three minutes or so, which is less time than she spent arguing with the officers. She did admit she felt badly that she hadn't called the station herself.

About that rookie part. Of the four officers charged, two were rookies, having only been on the job a few days. The two EMS guys who finally showed up from Hennepin County Medicl Center, some distance away, were three and two year rookies. Even the attending at the ER was a resident still under supervision. Peopl at dispatch were two years on the job.

Now, a part of that was due to it being a holiday weekend. Senior members get to pick their shifts off first so rookies tend to get the holiday shifts.

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I believe she said she wished she'd have called 911, not the station itself. But she also said that she regretted no calling 911 because she couldn't understand what was tanking EMS so long to get there b/c she knew there was a station a mile away. She knew the response time was wrong.

The documentary also showed that the first EMS went to Cup Foods instead of the other side of the intersection where Floyd was on the ground. I also seem to recall they stayed away from the scene initially b/c of the hostile crowd.

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She damn sure didn't offer to help him.....what a loser.

Just watched the film absolutely disgusting didn't realize its whole focus was on george od floyd. There are other factors that have led to the downfall of floyd that started long before his death. They should have spend some time driving around filming more locations today revealing how bad that place has become.

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Actually, she did. She kept telling Tao that she was EMS, but she was in plain clothes and didn't have her ID as she was off duty. If she had called 911, she maybe tells dispatch to send the truck that was 1-mile away and they get there before he dies.

No police officer is going to let a random citizen help a suspect who has been combative and resisting arrest because they claim to be EMS.

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And because of her rookie status and lack of professionalism in the moment, it never occurred to her to call that station or call dispatch to ask if they had been deployed.yet. That's the first thing she should have done. Identify herself, suggest they check his pulse, make sure his airway is unobstructed and she'll call to find ut when the ambulance will arrive. Instead, she just lost her crap and had a meltdown.

As I repeatedly said in the Chauvin trial thread, you better never be in Minneapolis and need EMS servces in an emergency because they won't get there quickly.

agracer said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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agracer said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Weird, that was supposed to be the Mayor dancing.

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I have a Q hawg. I did not follow the trial and I know you did intently.

That female firefighter. What was her story. Was she a prosecution witness? Her demeanor on the street was pretty confrontational.

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Yes she was a prosecution witness and as a two year rookie fire department EMS, Judge even allowed her to be qualfied as an expert! She was hostile to the defense counsel while on the stand.

On the day of the indident she was off duty in street clothes and got angry when the officers told her to stay back. She reluctantly admitted that she had her phone and knew station 17 was just down the street, meaning she could have called the station herself, but she didn't. Why?

Because the officers had already called dispatch for EMS twice. The last time being a Code Three, sirens, lights and hauling ass. Same street, straight shot with a few stoplights and just a mile away. Should have been there in three minutes or so, which is less time than she spent arguing with the officers. She did admit she felt badly that she hadn't called the station herself.

About that rookie part. Of the four officers charged, two were rookies, having only been on the job a few days. The two EMS guys who finally showed up from Hennepin County Medicl Center, some distance away, were three and two year rookies. Even the attending at the ER was a resident still under supervision. Peopl at dispatch were two years on the job.

Now, a part of that was due to it being a holiday weekend. Senior members get to pick their shifts off first so rookies tend to get the holiday shifts.

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I believe she said she wished she'd have called 911, not the station itself. But she also said that she regretted no calling 911 because she couldn't understand what was tanking EMS so long to get there b/c she knew there was a station a mile away. She knew the response time was wrong.

The documentary also showed that the first EMS went to Cup Foods instead of the other side of the intersection where Floyd was on the ground. I also seem to recall they stayed away from the scene initially b/c of the hostile crowd.

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She damn sure didn't offer to help him.....what a loser.

Just watched the film absolutely disgusting didn't realize its whole focus was on george od floyd. There are other factors that have led to the downfall of floyd that started long before his death. They should have spend some time driving around filming more locations today revealing how bad that place has become.

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Actually, she did. She kept telling Tao that she was EMS, but she was in plain clothes and didn't have her ID as she was off duty. If she had called 911, she maybe tells dispatch to send the truck that was 1-mile away and they get there before he dies.

No police officer is going to let a random citizen help a suspect who has been combative and resisting arrest because they claim to be EMS.

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I agree completely with your comment on the actions of the officer being appropriate in regards to not letting her help.

Aggiehawg has it correct in how she could have been helpful had she not been so focused on filming the event to get a rise out of somebody on her social media.

I didn't follow Chauvin's trial very close, do we get a reason for the judge excluding the training materials as evidence? Or the body cam video?

DapperDanMan said:

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I didn't follow Chauvin's trial very close, do we get a reason for the judge excluding the training materials as evidence? Or the body cam video?

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Best I can recall, since the policy had been changed after Floyd's death with a police department finding that the MRT was excessive force, Cahill deemed it would be more prejudicial to Chauvin than probative. Implication being was that if he allowed the old manual in, he would also have to allow that police department finding it was excessive in as well.

A bit convoluted in his reasoning but not blatant reversible error.

ETA: Have no idea why the body-cam video was excluded.

aggiehawg said:

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DapperDanMan said:

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I didn't follow Chauvin's trial very close, do we get a reason for the judge excluding the training materials as evidence? Or the body cam video?

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Best I can recall, since the policy had been changed after Floyd's death with a police department finding that the MRT was excessive force, Cahill deemed it would be more prejudicial to Chauvin than probative. Implication being was that if he allowed the old manual in, he would also have to allow that police department finding it was excessive in as well.

A bit convoluted in his reasoning but not blatant reversible error.

ETA: Have no idea why the body-cam video was excluded.

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I think we all know why. Just not a good legal reason why.

agracer said:

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aggiehawg said:

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DapperDanMan said:

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I didn't follow Chauvin's trial very close, do we get a reason for the judge excluding the training materials as evidence? Or the body cam video?

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Best I can recall, since the policy had been changed after Floyd's death with a police department finding that the MRT was excessive force, Cahill deemed it would be more prejudicial to Chauvin than probative. Implication being was that if he allowed the old manual in, he would also have to allow that police department finding it was excessive in as well.

A bit convoluted in his reasoning but not blatant reversible error.

ETA: Have no idea why the body-cam video was excluded.

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I think we all know why. Just not a good legal reason why.

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True. And everyone who perpetrated this sham benefitted. Cahill still on the bench. Mathew Frank is now a judge. As is Blackwell, on the federal bench if memory serves.