Listening to Walsh yesterday. He claimed Obama went hard on DIE in the FAA in 2013. Claimed that per NASA the last decade, the number of near misses has risen significantly, normalized for number of flights.

I googled and there are numerous articles, one from NYT in August , backing this claim.

Are we headed for a disaster here?

Yes, and it will be blamed on Republicans for not spending enough money for the FAA.

The rumor is that the near miss in Austin early this year was due to a dude who transferred from SFO--for similar reasons!

Correlation vs Causation.

Ahhh, diversity.

K2-HMFIC said:

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Correlation vs Causation.

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So the number of near misses is correlated to "diversity" in the FAA? What conclusion would you draw from this?

Ok, give me an alternative cause.

What else has changed that could account for the increase?

Walsh even read some of the test questions to get into the program. It's like 5th grade level stuff.

Remember the Air Atlas crash in Trinity Bay, which was piloted by a guy who randomly started to push buttons when he was placed in a stressful situation? It was known, and he continued to fly. DEI killed that guy and the others on the plane. Thankfully it was only cargo and not passengers. That being said, flying is still much safer than getting in your truck and driving to the grocery store.

Deadly Deception! Unraveling the Mystery of Atlas Air Flight 3591

Logos Stick said:

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Ok, give me an alternative cause.

What else has changed that could account for the increase?

Walsh even read some of the test questions to get into the program. It's like 5th grade level stuff.

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Understaffing.

Señor Chang said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Correlation vs Causation.

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So the number of near misses is correlated to "diversity" in the FAA? What conclusion would you draw from this?

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Where is the data to show that diversity hires are involved in near-misses or accidents at higher rates? I see some taking anecdotes - whether verified or not - and passing that off as accepted fact. There are obvious reasons why near misses could be increasing that are not caused by DEI hires:

- The skies are busier. Total aircraft movements in the U.S. are up about 50% from 2009 to 2019.

- Experience is down regardless of demographics. Lots of pilots and controllers hit retirement in the last decade. Airlines are desperately trying to hire and train new crews - to extent they are opening their own flight schools.

That has to be considered before reaching a conclusion.

TriAg2010 said:

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Señor Chang said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Correlation vs Causation.

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So the number of near misses is correlated to "diversity" in the FAA? What conclusion would you draw from this?

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Where is the data to show that diversity hires are involved in near-misses or accidents at higher rates? I see some taking anecdotes - whether verified or not - and passing that off as accepted fact. There are obvious reasons why near misses could be increasing that are not caused by DEI hires:

- The skies are busier. Total aircraft movements in the U.S. are up about 50% from 2009 to 2019.

- Experience is down regardless of demographics. Lots of pilots and controllers hit retirement in the last decade. Airlines are desperately trying to hire and train new crews - to extent they are opening their own flight schools.

That has to be considered before reaching a conclusion.

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Unless you are asserting that air traffic did not increase over time before this last decade, the "skies are busier" doesn't make sense. I don't have the data, but I'm quite sure air traffic has been increasing since it began. They also normalized the data for number of flights. It's not simply a sum of number of incidents.

So the number of flights is independent of staffing level for controllers? Do you have a resource for that?

Logos Stick said:

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TriAg2010 said:

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Señor Chang said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Correlation vs Causation.

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So the number of near misses is correlated to "diversity" in the FAA? What conclusion would you draw from this?

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Where is the data to show that diversity hires are involved in near-misses or accidents at higher rates? I see some taking anecdotes - whether verified or not - and passing that off as accepted fact. There are obvious reasons why near misses could be increasing that are not caused by DEI hires:

- The skies are busier. Total aircraft movements in the U.S. are up about 50% from 2009 to 2019.

- Experience is down regardless of demographics. Lots of pilots and controllers hit retirement in the last decade. Airlines are desperately trying to hire and train new crews - to extent they are opening their own flight schools.

That has to be considered before reaching a conclusion.

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Unless you are asserting that air traffic did not increase over time before this last decade, the "skies are busier" doesn't make sense. I don't have the data, but I'm quite sure air traffic has been increasing since it began. They also normalized the data for number of flights. It's not simply a sum of number of incidents.

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It would be entirely plausible for traffic conflicts to increase disproportionately above some critical value. That's how traffic jams form. "Traffic increased 50% and near-misses increased 100%" does not disprove that the principle - or even exclusive - reason for increase was due to traffic growth. Some airports are operating at near the maximum capacity they can physically move airplanes through their airspace within separation rules.

Mayor Pete has been an abject failure as Secretary of Transportation.

K2-HMFIC said:

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Correlation vs Causation.

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Maybe an app will be designed to let you know the safety of the passenger plane, the history of the pilots and the experience of the air traffic controllers that are on duty when you are about to buy your tickets.

Shagga said:

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Remember the Air Atlas crash in Trinity Bay, which was piloted by a guy who randomly started to push buttons when he was placed in a stressful situation? It was known, and he continued to fly. DEI killed that guy and the others on the plane. Thankfully it was only cargo and not passengers. That being said, flying is still much safer than getting in your truck and driving to the grocery store.

Deadly Deception! Unraveling the Mystery of Atlas Air Flight 3591

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Thanks for that post. Great video.

DIE is gonna get people killed.

TriAg2010 said:

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Señor Chang said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Correlation vs Causation.

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So the number of near misses is correlated to "diversity" in the FAA? What conclusion would you draw from this?

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Where is the data to show that diversity hires are involved in near-misses or accidents at higher rates? I see some taking anecdotes - whether verified or not - and passing that off as accepted fact. There are obvious reasons why near misses could be increasing that are not caused by DEI hires:

- The skies are busier. Total aircraft movements in the U.S. are up about 50% from 2009 to 2019.

- Experience is down regardless of demographics. Lots of pilots and controllers hit retirement in the last decade. Airlines are desperately trying to hire and train new crews - to extent they are opening their own flight schools.

That has to be considered before reaching a conclusion.

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DEI has tanked quality in every other industry, why would airfare be uniquely immune?

Our best hope for safe air travel moving forward is going to be AI. Fewer ex-military pilots nowadays (military is going to drones more and more after all), and Democrats like Buttigieg/Biden have prioritized 'diversity' above competency in all areas.

Ted Cruz, among many others, has been all over this for a while now. The issues actually pre-date Obama, as the FAA has been trying (aka wasting billions inefficiently) to update/upgrade their systems/computers etc. for over 30 years. Adding DEI/gender insanity was just the icing on the cake. We're in 'cross your fingers' mode at this point.

K2-HMFIC said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Ok, give me an alternative cause.

What else has changed that could account for the increase?

Walsh even read some of the test questions to get into the program. It's like 5th grade level stuff.

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Understaffing.

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No worries... we have an open border for that.

Logos Stick said:

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Shagga said:

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Remember the Air Atlas crash in Trinity Bay, which was piloted by a guy who randomly started to push buttons when he was placed in a stressful situation? It was known, and he continued to fly. DEI killed that guy and the others on the plane. Thankfully it was only cargo and not passengers. That being said, flying is still much safer than getting in your truck and driving to the grocery store.

Deadly Deception! Unraveling the Mystery of Atlas Air Flight 3591

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Thanks for that post. Great video.

DIE is gonna get people killed.

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Wow that was a good video. Like many catastrophes, so many little things line up at the same time. This was clearly one of those in which multiple opportunities were presented that could have prevented this. Amazing the FO directly at fault made it 5000 hours.

Not mentioned at all and likely influenced the tragic outcome is the jump pilot. What was he doing during this time?

Either way lets pray the FAA gets the industry cleaned up for improved safety.

One of the craziest coms I have recently listened to. Love the pilot who states HE IS NOT MOVING yet ATC is working hard to get him to move and even take off after being hit by debris on ground.

nortex97 said:

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Our best hope for safe air travel moving forward is going to be AI. Fewer ex-military pilots nowadays (military is going to drones more and more after all), and Democrats like Buttigieg/Biden have prioritized 'diversity' above competency in all areas.

Ted Cruz, among many others, has been all over this for a while now. The issues actually pre-date Obama, as the FAA has been trying (aka wasting billions inefficiently) to update/upgrade their systems/computers etc. for over 30 years. Adding DEI/gender insanity was just the icing on the cake. We're in 'cross your fingers' mode at this point.

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. Remember when NASA was shopping on eBay for computers parts for the shuttle bc no one made them anymore?

The government takes years to decide on a spec. for anything new, years to bid it and years to buy it. Computer hardware is obsolete the day it it goes up for sale so everything they do is 5-10 years behind the industry (except SWA scheduling).

agracer said:

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nortex97 said:

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Our best hope for safe air travel moving forward is going to be AI. Fewer ex-military pilots nowadays (military is going to drones more and more after all), and Democrats like Buttigieg/Biden have prioritized 'diversity' above competency in all areas.

Ted Cruz, among many others, has been all over this for a while now. The issues actually pre-date Obama, as the FAA has been trying (aka wasting billions inefficiently) to update/upgrade their systems/computers etc. for over 30 years. Adding DEI/gender insanity was just the icing on the cake. We're in 'cross your fingers' mode at this point.

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. Remember when NASA was shopping on eBay for computers parts for the shuttle bc no one made them anymore?

The government takes years to decide on a spec. for anything new, years to bid it and years to buy it. Computer hardware is obsolete the day it it goes up for sale so everything they do is 5-10 years behind the industry (except SWA scheduling).

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I think when I did some work on the F-16 back in the mid 90s, the FCCs were still 8008 based chipsets.

I was tangentially working on the MMC to upgrade them.

Then there would be a noticeable step change in the trend. Is that the case?

https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/legacy-of-a-lie-the-crash-of-atlas-air-flight-3591-519a3a7bd6ec

This is a sad and sober read. Despite the critique of the NTSB and the prior job history of the FO, his family is suing several of the companies associated with this event.

Does not always equal would be the ap observation here. In this case, there's a lot of near misses coming through procedural issues that should not be occuring

Why is it called a near miss? Shouldn't it be a near hit?

I wonder why?

I have to admit I don't understand this post.

She's in the right seat. She's not the pilot, and it looks like she's in a newer-model 172 or a Warrior 2.

Velvet Jones said:

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She's in the right seat. She's not the pilot the instructor, and it looks like she's in a newer-model 172 or a Warrior 2.

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coconutED said:

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Velvet Jones said:

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She's in the right seat. She's not the pilot the instructor, and it looks like she's in a newer-model 172 or a Warrior 2.

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Gotcha sorry.

Where's the context that I missed?

You want sha na na to be your pilot ?

I'm my own pilot thank you very much.

I'm just wondering what the context there is.

samurai_science said:

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I wonder why?

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Was this the person the cause of a near miss or improperly instructed a student pilot that resulted in a near miss?

So, our closeted bisexual/marxist/muslim former president thought it was a great idea to put a bunch of Karine Jean-Pierre's into Air traffic controller positions and there is an increase in near misses ?? Who could have forseen that ?? I shocked I tell ya, SHOCKED !!

DEI almost sendS plane straight into mountain. Thankfully she resigned after this and before she killed hundreds of people.