Gambling in Texas - about to get real

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With the news that the Adelsons are dropping a few billion to buy the Mavericks, I think the writing is on the wall. They are about to ramp up a huge push for legalizing gambling in Texas.
I've seen where they've discussed building the Mavericks a new arena as part of a large resort casino development.

This is way more than just some billionaire buying a sports team from another billionaire.

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How is this different from Tillman Fertitta? He owns the Rockets and multiple casinos.
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I have no idea if that is true or not, but they would be crazy to move or really change the product too much. Any decent Mavs ticket is at least $150. Why mess with that.
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agsalaska said:

I have no idea if that is true or not, but they would be crazy to move or really change the product too much. Any decent Mavs ticket is at least $150. Why mess with that.
Casinos are far more lucrative than a basketball team, that's probably one reason.
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I doubt this is a way to get casinos in Texas. The wife is a physician and not involved in the business. I don't think the kids are involved either.
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lb3 said:

How is this different from Tillman Fertitta? He owns the Rockets and multiple casinos.
Timmy Fertitta has already built his casino on the seawall in Galveston. It's called the Galveston Island Convention Center until he gets gambling passed in Texas.
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Love being born and raised in Texas. It's the greatest state in the USA. But it's time to legalize gambling.
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And kemah
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Gambling, period.
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https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/09/sheldon-adelson-texas-casinos/
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chris1515 said:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/09/sheldon-adelson-texas-casinos/
Look at the dude. Gambino!
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#1 said:

Love being born and raised in Texas. It's the greatest state in the USA. But it's time to legalize gambling.
Why ? Its destroyed a lot of people. Besides there are legal ways in Texas to gamble. One of the best is a thing called the stock market and if you want to get really wild get an account where you can run shorts.

Casino gambling is dumb.
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agsalaska said:

I have no idea if that is true or not, but they would be crazy to move or really change the product too much. Any decent Mavs ticket is at least $150. Why mess with that.


Using ticket prices to valuate sports franchise doesn't work out in my math machine. Unless maybe it's a proxy for the total income a team brings through endorsements, broadcast, etc?
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lb3 said:

How is this different from Tillman Fertitta? He owns the Rockets and multiple casinos.


Because the Adelsons have Abbott's nuts in a vice with their contributions.
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I'll go for it if 20% of the profit made by casinos goes to job training, food, and other services for the homeless population.

Btw, is the state lotto supporting public schools?
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lead said:

agsalaska said:

I have no idea if that is true or not, but they would be crazy to move or really change the product too much. Any decent Mavs ticket is at least $150. Why mess with that.


Using ticket prices to valuate sports franchise doesn't work out in my math machine. Unless maybe it's a proxy for the total income a team brings through endorsements, broadcast, etc?
I would think that it is a pretty big metric.
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A number of us who live in Shreveport, LA think that Texas should continue as they have been.
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TheGreatEscape said:

I'll go for it if 20% of the profit made by casinos goes to job training, food, and other services for the homeless population.

Btw, is the state lotto supporting public schools?


Who gives a crap? Degenerates are going to be degenerates regardless. Let the casinos be here for folks that can handle it.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
TheGreatEscape
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There's nothing I can find in the Bible about gambling in casinos. I wouldn't waste my money like that. Some grandparents have gambled away the inheritance of their children. So it does make me pause and not see it as profitable or wise in spending money.

But if they are going to do it, then 20% goes to homeless infrastructure. Deal?
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One of my favorite things is going up to Choctaw for the weekend with the wife without our kiddos. We go maybe 3-4 times a year as a weekend getaway.

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TheGreatEscape said:

There's nothing I can find in the Bible about gambling in casinos. I wouldn't waste my money like that. Some grandparents have gambled away the inheritance of their children. So it does make me pause and not see it as profitable or wise in spending money.

But if they are going to do it, then 20% goes to homeless infrastructure. Deal?


Leave people to their own devices within the confines of the law. If an idiot wants to blow their money at a casino, let them. But I shouldn't be restricted because the unwashed masses of society can't handle it.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
TheGreatEscape
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The other thing that I worry about is who is in control of the new Texas Gaming Commission? You want these union and mob types to be more involved in Texas politics?

Maybe I'm ignorant?
TheGreatEscape
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So you wouldn't want the private sector in Casinos to pay 20% of their profits to homeless education and infrastructure?

Sounds like a decent cause and reasonable for the riff-raff you probably let into our politics.
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Sports betting or casino betting?
Table games or slots?
Poker?

Lot of aspects to this.

Lottery gets over 100m. I'll drop $2. It's literally nothing anymore. Not even 2 doughnuts.
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Gambling, pot, the whole lot should be legalized at the same time. Let's have a wild west and make texas great again. 100% of taxes will go to the border for the first 5 years and if we conquer cartel land then so be it
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TheGreatEscape said:

There's nothing I can find in the Bible about gambling in casinos. I wouldn't waste my money like that. Some grandparents have gambled away the inheritance of their children. So it does make me pause and not see it as profitable or wise in spending money.

But if they are going to do it, then 20% goes to homeless infrastructure. Deal?
How about 1% goes to bus fare to Vegas, Reno, Lake Charles, Mobile Alabama, or Atlantic City?
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Gambling is such a high time preference entertainment.

Terrible.
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Algorithmic Epiphany said:

Gambling is such a high time preference entertainment.

Terrible.


Are you a bot?
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TheGreatEscape said:

The other thing that I worry about is who is in control of the new Texas Gaming Commission? You want these union and mob types to be more involved in Texas politics?

Maybe I'm ignorant?


Well if the shoe fits.

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TheGreatEscape said:

There's nothing I can find in the Bible about gambling in casinos. I wouldn't waste my money like that. Some grandparents have gambled away the inheritance of their children. So it does make me pause and not see it as profitable or wise in spending money.

But if they are going to do it, then 20% goes to homeless infrastructure. Deal?
Gaming taxes in that range would go into the state coffers
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ttu_85 said:

#1 said:

Love being born and raised in Texas. It's the greatest state in the USA. But it's time to legalize gambling.
Why ? Its destroyed a lot of people. Besides there are legal ways in Texas to gamble. One of the best is a thing called the stock market and if you want to get really wild get an account where you can run shorts.

Casino gambling is dumb.

Farming is up there with the stock market.
TheGreatEscape
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The state government doesn't need the money.
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I lived in a state where casino games on an Indian reservation was a 30min drive. I went once in 15 years. And it wasn't for gambling, probably because I was too poor.

In 20 years I've been to Vegas 10x and Lake Charles once, recently. I've never once bet on sports ball (Aggie fan here)

I fully grasp some people can't handle it.
I prefer it to be further away.
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TheGreatEscape said:

So you wouldn't want the private sector in Casinos to pay 20% of their profits to homeless education and infrastructure?

Sounds like a decent cause and reasonable for the riff-raff you probably let into our politics.


I'm in favor of using the taxes from legal casinos be used for something worthwhile, yes. Homeless "infrastructure" sounds like you want to pull an Austin and set up a tent city near the airport complete with porta potties and showers, lol, no thanks - way too dubious.

It's two separate issues. Gambling should be legalized, yes I 100% agree. Issue number two is how to appropriately tax and regulate it, of which I'm generally not in favor of, but in this case, something *hopefully* good and not pork.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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People mindlessly assume gambling is some sort of panacea when, in fact, it is a long term state budget negative:

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In the short-run, states indeed do raise additional revenues due to expansion of gambling activities and facilities. However, history shows that in the long-run the growth in state revenues from gambling activities slows or even reverses and declines. In short, the revenue returns deteriorateand often quickly. This pattern of deterioration may be due to competition with other states for a limited market (saturation), competition between different forms of gambling (substitution), or other factors. Despite the deterioration, the dynamic often continues, as states find new forms of gambling to authorize, open new facilities, and impose higher taxes on gambling. The results are short-run yields and longer-run deterioration.

https://rockinst.org/issue-area/state-revenues-gambling-short-term-relief-long-term-disappointment/

If Texas were to implement gambling in pretty much any form, it would compete against Vegas, Oklahoma and Louisiana and, as market competition works, it is wholly unclear as to whether the resulting competition would actually generate enough meaningful revenue to offset the societal costs. Remember, the studies I'm quoting here don't even compute gambling in larger states such as Texas so if casinos were to pop up in, say, Houston, DFW, San Antonio, Austin (heaven forbid), El Paso, and on the coast in 2 or 3 places (or anywhere in Texas for that matter), that would force bordering states and even Vegas to adjust how they do business to keep Texas gamblers coming there. They're not going to say, "oh well," and waive the white flag.

Lower costs and house odds would lead to lower revenues and tax receipts, even over and above (or below, I should say) what the study I quote suggests.

THIS IS A BAD IDEA.
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