Just about any thread about either of the two has a great potential for bringing in the other. They are two peas in a pod -- not a good pea and a bad pea, but two bad peas.The Fife said:
I forgot, wasn't this supposed to be a thread about Joe Biden mishandling classified documents? I could've sworn that's what it was from the title.
Joe Biden to Escape Charges for Mishandling Classified Docs
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APHIS AG said:And the ones to blame for his hypocrisy are conservatives and Republicans which have allowed liberals and Democrats to run rough shod over our values and our Society.VitruvianAg said:
It's good to be a democrat!
Allowing for the destruction of academic freedom of our colleges and universities as liberal professors were allowed to indoctrinate instead of educating.
Allowing under the "freedom of the press" for liberals to subjugate our news agencies, reporting propaganda for the Democrats as "truth" while undermining what made this country the envy of the planet.
Yes, it is good to be a Democrat for they have earned it by slowly killing this country like a cancer kills an individual.
Exactly...thank moderate Republicans long effort at compromise! Never give in...
Sarcasm is hard to detect for some...
Being a (D)emocrat politician in the United States affords one the membership privileges usually reserved for totalitarian dictatorship Parties in Third World counties, Banana Republics, and Communist countries like China.
"Green" is the new RED.
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eric76 said:
If he can prove that they are actually declassified, then he should be found not guilty.
This crazy notion of magical declassification because of thoughts running only in his head is a bunch of hogwash, though.
There is a lot of debate about what it takes to declassify. Pretty big gray area but what we do know and what waterheads don't like to admit is that Senators don't have that ability. So this is not so cut and dried like they try to present.
Give us your version of what it takes to declassify a document by the POTUS.
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Old Sarge said:
Being a (D)emocrat politician in the United States affords one the membership privileges usually reserved for totalitarian dictatorship Parties in Third World counties and Banana Republics, and Communist countries like China.
So much truth to this. The dems love to talk about constitutional threats, but what they really mean is threats to their control. The real threat to our constitutional republic is the unequal prosecution, dependent upon your party affiliation.
We may not always get what we want. We may not always get what we need. Just so we don't get what we deserve.
How can biden mishandle anything, when he cant handle anything?
This is so delusional. Tell me again, when he was a private citizen and in possession of classified documents, was he in compliance with the law?Watermelon Man said:ShinerAggie said:Quote:
Funny, complying with the law has benefits. Non-compliance has consequences.
Watermelon Man said:Of course, Breibart is being dishonest, spreading misinformation. Jack Smith did not indict Trump for mishandling classified documents. As mentioned above, if Trump had returned the Presidential Records he was denying having, the indictment (or the search warrant) would never had been filed.ShinerAggie said:
Biden to Escape Charges for Mishandling Classified DocsQuote:
Special Counsel Robert Hur, who is investigating President Joe Biden for mishandling documents, is not expected to charge anyone, sources familiar with the matter told CNN and the Wall Street Journal.
The report suggests a double standard of justice. While there will reportedly be no consequences for Biden, Special Counsel Jack Smith indicted former President Donald Trump in June for mishandling classified documents.
When notified that he had records that did not belong to him, Trump lied. Biden said he was sorry, look for any others. Trump tried to hide what he had. Biden opened his doors for a search without a warrant.
Funny, complying with the law has benefits. Non-compliance has consequences.
Your post is a derail. The question in this thread is why does Trump get prosecuted and Joe does not. The crime has nothing to do with Trump not returning the documents when asked. It's about equal Justice. They're either both guilty or both innocent. Alan Dershowitz said last night on Fox they are both innocent and neither should be prosecuted under applicable law.
eric76 said:
He should have been charged.
That said, if Trump had given them back when asked, I doubt that he would have been charged.
100% false. He would've been charged anyway and you know it.
You have a very good imagination.FDT 1999 said:eric76 said:
He should have been charged.
That said, if Trump had given them back when asked, I doubt that he would have been charged.
100% false. He would've been charged anyway and you know it.
Do you really think that they would have gotten a conviction?
So naiveeric76 said:
He should have been charged.
That said, if Trump had given them back when asked, I doubt that he would have been charged.
eric76 said:You have a very good imagination.FDT 1999 said:eric76 said:
He should have been charged.
That said, if Trump had given them back when asked, I doubt that he would have been charged.
100% false. He would've been charged anyway and you know it.
Do you really think that they would have gotten a conviction?
Absolutely, no question.
Watermelon Man said:Of course, Breibart is being dishonest, spreading misinformation. Jack Smith did not indict Trump for mishandling classified documents. As mentioned above, if Trump had returned the Presidential Records he was denying having, the indictment (or the search warrant) would never had been filed.ShinerAggie said:
Biden to Escape Charges for Mishandling Classified DocsQuote:
Special Counsel Robert Hur, who is investigating President Joe Biden for mishandling documents, is not expected to charge anyone, sources familiar with the matter told CNN and the Wall Street Journal.
The report suggests a double standard of justice. While there will reportedly be no consequences for Biden, Special Counsel Jack Smith indicted former President Donald Trump in June for mishandling classified documents.
When notified that he had records that did not belong to him, Trump lied. Biden said he was sorry, look for any others. Trump tried to hide what he had. Biden opened his doors for a search without a warrant.
Funny, complying with the law has benefits. Non-compliance has consequences.
That's not how it works. You don't get to say "oops" after the fact and get off.
See this sailor for example:
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/us-navy-sailor-jailed-for-taking-photos-of-classified-areas-of-nuclear-submarine
Opalka said:
Well, when you cooperate with the investigation, you get better results. When you tell your staff to hide the documents, you don't. So who's surprised by that?
Actually, when you own the investigation, you get better results.
eric76 said:If he can prove that they are actually declassified, then he should be found not guilty.LightningDammitt said:eric76 said:The prosecution would have a hell of a hard time making a case if he had willingly given them back when asked.Central Committee said:eric76 said:
He should have been charged.
That said, if Trump had given them back when asked, I doubt that he would have been charged.
This is false. The (D) DAs and DOJ have been looking for any possible reason to persecute/prosecute Trump.
He declassified them as you admit... There is no requirement to give them to anyone. They are declassified.
This crazy notion of magical declassification because of thoughts running only in his head is a bunch of hogwash, though.
Lol... show your work with links... show, in the Presidential Records Act, that "proof of... ...declassification" is required.
There is no role for logic in this persecution of Trump. The judicial cake is baked, and the decoration says "Guilty."TexAgs91 said:
Well at least that's good for Trump. Biden was only a VP. Trump was president and had authority to declassify documents. Biden didn't. So if Biden got off, surely Trump will too.
What does the Presidential Records Act have to do with anything?LightningDammitt said:Lol... show your work with links... show, in the Presidential Records Act, that "proof of... ...declassification" is required.eric76 said:If he can prove that they are actually declassified, then he should be found not guilty.LightningDammitt said:He declassified them as you admit... There is no requirement to give them to anyone. They are declassified.eric76 said:The prosecution would have a hell of a hard time making a case if he had willingly given them back when asked.Central Committee said:This is false. The (D) DAs and DOJ have been looking for any possible reason to persecute/prosecute Trump.eric76 said:
He should have been charged.
That said, if Trump had given them back when asked, I doubt that he would have been charged.
This crazy notion of magical declassification because of thoughts running only in his head is a bunch of hogwash, though.
TXAggie2011 said:What does the Presidential Records Act have to do with anything?LightningDammitt said:Lol... show your work with links... show, in the Presidential Records Act, that "proof of... ...declassification" is required.eric76 said:If he can prove that they are actually declassified, then he should be found not guilty.LightningDammitt said:He declassified them as you admit... There is no requirement to give them to anyone. They are declassified.eric76 said:The prosecution would have a hell of a hard time making a case if he had willingly given them back when asked.Central Committee said:This is false. The (D) DAs and DOJ have been looking for any possible reason to persecute/prosecute Trump.eric76 said:
He should have been charged.
That said, if Trump had given them back when asked, I doubt that he would have been charged.
This crazy notion of magical declassification because of thoughts running only in his head is a bunch of hogwash, though.
Lessee... can you provide any other instrument that addresses the topic of classification/declassification of presidential records? Well, there IS the constitution, which is vague on the topic... hence the Presidential Records Act.
And that is Trump's point. There is no formal process from president to president, other than executive orders... which are often overidden by the new president's executive orders.
Don't think the transcript conveys just how bad the interview really was.
BREAKING: The DOJ has told the court that it will not disclose the audio recordings of special counsel interviews with President Joe Biden in order to protect Biden’s “privacy” interests (1/3). https://t.co/WMtBwuVwtM
— Judicial Watch ⚖️ (@JudicialWatch) April 30, 2024
“And, of course, President Biden can simply waive any privacy so the public can fully understand why he was given a pass from criminal prosecution,” @TomFitton (3/3). https://t.co/WMtBwuVwtM
— Judicial Watch ⚖️ (@JudicialWatch) April 30, 2024
I guess that I'm not following. Wasn't trump just at the SC arguing blanket immunity for presidents?
There was this one time at ban camp…
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Most transparent administration ever, right Joe? That was the promise. Also something about being the Great Uniter.will25u said:
Don't the transcript conveys just how bad the interview really was.BREAKING: The DOJ has told the court that it will not disclose the audio recordings of special counsel interviews with President Joe Biden in order to protect Biden’s “privacy” interests (1/3). https://t.co/WMtBwuVwtM
— Judicial Watch ⚖️ (@JudicialWatch) April 30, 2024“And, of course, President Biden can simply waive any privacy so the public can fully understand why he was given a pass from criminal prosecution,” @TomFitton (3/3). https://t.co/WMtBwuVwtM
— Judicial Watch ⚖️ (@JudicialWatch) April 30, 2024
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Yes. So why don't they allow these to be made public since Joe won't get prosecuted?General Jack D. Ripper said:
I guess that I'm not following. Wasn't trump just at the SC arguing blanket immunity for presidents?
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General Jack D. Ripper said:
I guess that I'm not following. Wasn't trump just at the SC arguing blanket immunity for presidents?
Trump is arguing for immunity for official acts of the president WHILE IN OFFICE. What Trump is defending are his actions as President that are solely his power as the executive. In the case of the documents Trump had complete power to declassify without needing to fill out any forms AND the right to keep documents under the PRA.
FJB's is trying to avoid prosecution for his illegal actions while he was SENATOR and VP. Being President today does not make illegal actions before you became President legal. The Biden DOJ and administration cannot throw everything and the kitchen sink at Trump, while at the same time completely dismiss Biden. But they are, and they are not even trying to hide the hypocrisy and double standard.
We have a broken justice system.
Funny how they care so much about Biden's "privacy", but pretty much everything was leaked, legally and illegally, when Trump was in office.
Something must be (D)ifferent.
Something must be (D)ifferent.
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