Hawk2007 said:

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silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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You're exactly right. They say they want basic but when push comes to shove, they won't buy it. We should poll former students on game day with season tickets and trucks and how many went basic with a single cab . I doubt most even buy an extended cab. It's the four doors or bust.

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It's a work/land truck not a "take to an Aggie game with the family" truck.

Bob Lee said:

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It would be impossible to keep these in stock in the U.S. You can't even buy a new mule for $10k.

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Are we certain if that Truck is significantly better than a mule
Top speed , payload etc

Looking at the truck it looks more like Mule than a Tacoma

Hondo. said:

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Nice

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I had one of these but it was a double cab with a mutant top.

Reminds me of the 70s model Datsuns.

Agthatbuilds said:

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silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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I have a 4 door, but it's because I routinely carry more than one other person.

It's got vinyl seats, rubber floors, am/fm stereo, a/c, 4x4 and a 6.7 diesel. No camera, no blind spot monitor, no back up assist. Not even window tint. It's the most basic truck available from 2012. The same truck today has all sorts of unwanted gadgets that are required by govt that needlessly increase the price.

I'd be happy to drive a 2 door, but I carry more than 1 other person too often and the resell sucks. But, it'd be great to be able to turn again. I drove a single cab for years

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Bragging about who drives the bigger piece of *****

Never change auto board.

Hawk2007 said:

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silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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You're exactly right. They say they want basic

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Nah. I don't know anyone who wants or claims to want basic. Love my heated and air conditioned leather seats, air ride suspension, infotainment center, steering wheel warmer, adaptive cruise, smart towing, etc. Hell, I even put seat warmers on my bay boat.

It would be great as a UTV alternative, but no thanks on daily driving that thing

Hey hey. I love my truck. Except for the brakes. And the stock exhaust.

I don't need no fancified truck

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2025-toyota-imv-0-pickup-truck-first-drive-review-japan-mobility-show/

Retired FBI Agent said:

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I was excited for a Bitcoin thread ...

But instead got another Automotive Forum post.

On the Politics Forum.

Is this place American Trucker magazine now?




... looks like a truck Cardano users would drive.

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Every thread is a bitcoin thread. I could spend 20k on bitcoin instead of 30k on a truck.

Better yet a hard money would've prevented the incentivized game theory leading us to here.

Sid Farkas said:

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Robert L. Peters said:

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I'd spend another $20k pimping it out.

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LS swap or gtfo.

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How about make it a low rider w some air shocks with 4 of those long spike looking hub caps that look like they can grind the wheel of other cars

I don't mind niceties. I refuse to pay what they cost except for the very basics. I'll buy them for my wife in her vehicle but I simply don't see them as a value for me.

Extra weight and cost that don't contribute to what I personally need a vehicle for, money that I'd rather spend on other things instead of lighting it on fire in a rapidly depreciating asset.

A problem is they often now one standard and you must pay for them or they come in packages so you have to purchase many to get one, unless the manufacturer happens to offer the ability to order features a-La-carte in their direct ordering process at a reasonable price.

Issue is with all of the safety features and current market needs most crew cab pickups are north of $50k. I don't care for all of the fancy stuff but need the backseat space for kids while a bed for needing to transport heavy stuff for work from time to time. Even work truck type vehicles are north of $40k. I remember when you used to be able to get a base model truck for under $30k

Adverse Event said:

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When you realize that car prices have been deflationary this whole time…it’s just that most modern day cars have a bunch of expensive add-ons and extra tech in them. @JeffBooth https://t.co/z4Ysfl4saA

— Wicked (@w_s_bitcoin) November 7, 2023

I'd buy the hell outta this truck for my work vehicles..

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100% this.

I've advocated for a long time that a super basic truck is a huge segment missing in today's market.

Bonus points if it is designed to be friendly to diy folks.

silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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This. Trucks have become luxury vehicles. Even the most basic trims have a lot of options (as it implies, the consumer has to ask for those extras) driving the prices up.

Everyone here says they want a basic truck, but no one is buying them.

It's like the 'save the manuals' movement. Car manu. don't make them because no one buys them.

agracer said:

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silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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This. Trucks have become luxury vehicles. Even the most basic trims have a lot of options (as it implies, the consumer has to ask for those extras) driving the prices up.

Everyone here says they want a basic truck, but no one is buying them.

It's like the 'save the manuals' movement. Car manu. don't make them because no one buys them.

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Where are these basic trucks you speak of? The closest thing on the market is the base Toyota Tacoma and those sell well even at the nearly $40k price tag.

Agthatbuilds said:

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No, companies realized they could essentially force those things upon us and we'd have no choice. It also helps cover their ridiculous labor costs because they can mark up all these items a stupid high %

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In the early days of the Big 3, all three companies had a range of brands that sold by price point and prestige. That has somewhat been replaced with every model having entry level to high end trim levels.

The thing that bothers me about the say, five trim levels of the same car is that it seems to be self defeating. It looks to be more expensive for the maker to offer so many variations and that they would make more money and create more brand loyalty by offering "the car" and not nickel and dime me for a everything. Not to mention the base trims of many of these cars are ugly. Ugly cars degrade the overall image of the model and the maker.

If there was enough demand for these simple trucks everyone is clamoring for, the market would fill that demand.

agracer said:

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silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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This. Trucks have become luxury vehicles. Even the most basic trims have a lot of options (as it implies, the consumer has to ask for those extras) driving the prices up.

Everyone here says they want a basic truck, but no one is buying them.

It's like the 'save the manuals' movement. Car manu. don't make them because no one buys them.

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No, i think car manufacturers figured it was easier to offer one option and upcharge for it.

silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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My last three trucks ('99, '07, and '17) have all been single cabs with varying trim packages as they were all bought used.

Finding/buying my '17 at a reasonable price took some serious effort and required me to travel out of state.

But to be fair this is my first post in this thread.

silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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I drive a 2016 Chevy Malibu. Though its fully spec'ed out, its been paid off for years.

I would absolutely drive one of these basic trucks if I had a need for a utility work truck. Many of my guys have a work truck and what I call a Friday truck. They would buy this truck vs an old Ranger with cracked dashboard and rusted rocker panels.

Fleet ops would be all over trucks like this.

And yes, your average TexAg pontificator will still buy their King Ranch quad cab and put their Century Clurb sticker on it.

But there are plenty of us who still consider a vehicle for utility.

Agthatbuilds said:

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No, companies realized they could essentially force those things upon us and we'd have no choice. It also helps cover their ridiculous labor costs because they can mark up all these items a stupid high %

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To be honest, we do the same thing in homebuilding as you know. Sending a customer to the design center after they signed for their already decently appointed home is printing money (in the good times).

Sethtevious said:

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fka ftc said:

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Uber in Thailand.


Uber in Manhattan.

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Tell me you don't know the difference between Uber X and Uber Black without telling me.....

Black SUVs were the original vehicle for Uber, it was a private car service using an app, it wasn't supposed to be cheap or economical, the cars were a small step down from limousines.

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Considering I have ridden in both vehicles pictured along with a variety of private car services, NYC cabs, hell a cab in Joplin, MO long before Uber, I think I speak from a platform of knowledge and experience.

Last time I was in NYC (pre-pando), when you pull up the uber app the black suv v standard uber is about 10 to 1. The savvy know you can oft book those Uber Black for UberX pricing.

agracer said:

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silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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This. Trucks have become luxury vehicles. Even the most basic trims have a lot of options (as it implies, the consumer has to ask for those extras) driving the prices up.

Everyone here says they want a basic truck, but no one is buying them.

It's like the 'save the manuals' movement. Car manu. don't make them because no one buys them.

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I did that twice too. Not my fault that they're a Toyota and Acura and just keep on running forever.

fka ftc said:

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Sethtevious said:

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fka ftc said:

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Uber in Thailand.


Uber in Manhattan.

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Tell me you don't know the difference between Uber X and Uber Black without telling me.....

Black SUVs were the original vehicle for Uber, it was a private car service using an app, it wasn't supposed to be cheap or economical, the cars were a small step down from limousines.

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Considering I have ridden in both vehicles pictured along with a variety of private car services, NYC cabs, hell a cab in Joplin, MO long before Uber, I think I speak from a platform of knowledge and experience.

Last time I was in NYC (pre-pando), when you pull up the uber app the black suv v standard uber is about 10 to 1. The savvy know you can oft book those Uber Black for UberX pricing.

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At LAX uber black picks you up at your terminal curbside but with Uber X you have to go to a far away ride share lot where the app doesn't even work and you end up taking an overpriced taxi anyway. Uber black is pretty common in huge cities, and worth the extra expense in certain circumstances if you can afford it.

So if its not available in US/Canada markets does that mean we can buy at the border and then drive it up?

Madman said:

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agracer said:

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silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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This. Trucks have become luxury vehicles. Even the most basic trims have a lot of options (as it implies, the consumer has to ask for those extras) driving the prices up.

Everyone here says they want a basic truck, but no one is buying them.

It's like the 'save the manuals' movement. Car manu. don't make them because no one buys them.

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Where are these basic trucks you speak of? The closest thing on the market is the base Toyota Tacoma and those sell well even at the nearly $40k price tag.

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The basic XL F150, can you even find one on a lot with out a ton of add ons/optoins? No, because consumers don't want them.

Ram does sell a basic work truck. (the 1500 Classic Tradesmen).

1500 Work Truck

The 1500 Tradesmen basic 4x2 single cab with an 8' bed is $31,735.

The days of $20k new vehicles of any kind are over. The printing of currency expanded exponentially under Obama and Trump, Bidden is just piling on (Or Obama term 3) has inflated the cost of everything. McDonolds in my city is paying $15/hr...think about that. That's more than quadrupled for the 1990's.

And if there was such a huge demand for that 4x2 regular cab work truck, they'd be on dealer lots. They're not b/c no one wants them.

Look at the suburban. It was a tuck with 3 rows of seats and a roof. Now it's luxury transportation and they're $80,000.

It's the same as the small and mid-sized SUV's. People want all the fancy stuff, so you can't find a basic one on a dealer lot.

Would you stock something people are not buying? Or would you put on the lot what people will pay for?

Hagen95 said:

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If there was enough demand for these simple trucks everyone is clamoring for, the market would fill that demand.

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There is demand except none of the car companies want to build a car on that thin of a margin

And there's certainly not enough demand for multiple car, companies to manufacture and sell that kind of a vehicle

Which is why they're not out there

Madman said:

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agracer said:

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silverado_lover said:

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I bet nobody who has posted on this thread drives a single cab XL trim truck.

You say you want the most basic truck, but it's not what you buy.

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This. Trucks have become luxury vehicles. Even the most basic trims have a lot of options (as it implies, the consumer has to ask for those extras) driving the prices up.

Everyone here says they want a basic truck, but no one is buying them.

It's like the 'save the manuals' movement. Car manu. don't make them because no one buys them.

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Where are these basic trucks you speak of? The closest thing on the market is the base Toyota Tacoma and those sell well even at the nearly $40k price tag.

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2023 Ram Tradesman 2 door, 2WD.

$31,735 And you can probably knock a couple grand off that these days.

Last night after reading this thread I went online and built a basic, single cab truck for all three manufacturers - Ford, Chevy, and Ram. The only upgrade I made was making the truck 4x4. Everything else was completely basic. The Ford and Chevy were both around $40k MSRP. I think the Ram was $39k. I think the argument that no market exists for these trucks is somewhat self-fulfilling. I wouldn't spend $40k on a completely basic, 6cyl single cab 4x4 truck. I might spend $40k on a well-appointed used truck, or I might spend $60k on a well-appointed new truck. But the new $40k basic truck doesn't appear to be a value proposition for me.

However, if this new Toyota were an actual option, and you could buy a 4x4 model for under $15k, that's a completely different story. I also think this type of truck would be hugely popular for commercial applications. The current US market doesn't offer that option.

I thinks you've hit the nail on the head. 40k is too much for a bare bone truck.

My bare bone truck is closer to 60 for what we need.

In 2013, I paid around $45k for a nicely equipped F150 FX4. That was after all the discounts.

The MSRP for an equivalent truck is now just a bit over $60k. Even with discounts, it would likely come in around $53k. I don't want to pay that much for a truck.