In no world is that arguably an attempt at a hip check.

gbaby23 said:

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Looks like he kicks his leg out after initially making contact with Johnson.

In slow motion, you can see that Matt Petgrave kicked Adam Johnson not just once, but twice.

Ultimately slicing his throat and killing him.

pic.twitter.com/xS5DJenW5j

— Lauren Witzke (@LaurenWitzkeDE) October 30, 2023

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Wow, that slow motion reveals just how Fn dirty it was; not one, but TWO kicks. Knee contact/kick, then skate contact kick. Two disctinct efforts. Absolutely was not accidental. And after seeing this video, I'd go as far as to say the kick with the skate was DELIBERATELY to the head/neck. Manslaughter at a minimum.

CDUB98 said:

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I can't get on board with making this a race issue, and really, it would be better if none of us do. There's not proof race had anything to do with it.

They guy is just a dirty player. I expressed my other thoughts in my first post.

Quit driving the race wedge where there likely isn't one. Focus on the facts of what we know with our own eyes. Damed dirty play led to the death of another player and the dirty player should be charged with a crime and never play again.

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I don't either, but I think the issue is that because of his race the repercussions of what he did are likely going to be less than if situation was reversed.

It's hard to argue against that considering the current climate that blacks are to be elevated above all. However, we shall see.

This was one my most irrational fears while ice skating at the Galleria growing up, this or losing fingers to a skate…..or a huge great white shark in the deep end of the pool.

Pretty sure in the US he'd be under indictment by now, at least if it happened in a non-communist state.

CDUB98 said:

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I can't get on board with making this a race issue, and really, it would be better if none of us do. There's not proof race had anything to do with it.

They guy is just a dirty player. I expressed my other thoughts in my first post.

Quit driving the race wedge where there likely isn't one. Focus on the facts of what we know with our own eyes. Damed dirty play led to the death of another player and the dirty player should be charged with a crime and never play again.

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This is the correct answer. I don't think the guy deserves life in prison or anything but he needs to pay a heavy price because that was insanely dangerous and any hockey player knows it. Also it is important a message be sent to others who play the sport not to lift up your legs with the sharp blades attached as a part of hitting another player.

He will never play hockey again either, if nothing else it isn't safe for him. The level of retribution against him would be severe.

I took a look at some online comments, reddit and the like, and there is definitely a camp saying completely unintentional, that the guy just lost his balance and raised his leg to regain balance. Any skaters or hockey players on here? I don't see how the lost his balance theory carries any credence as it seems like raising the leg is the opposite of what you would do to regain balance. There are also a lot of people introducing the race issue, i.e., saying that the only reason people are calling him a murderer is because he is black. That's absurd on its face.

Imagine taking politics so seriously that you make a poor conclusion with such a tragic accident.

YouBet said:

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I won't be watching that but considering you have to raise your foot high enough to cut someone's neck and this has never happened before in god knows how many minutes of hockey since inception of sport then this should be ruled negligence at best and he's banned from sport.

Nice run on sentence as well.

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This has happened at least twice that I know of in the NHL but not due to a lifted leg kick, rather other freak connections. See Clint Malarchuk.

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CDUB98 said:

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I can't get on board with making this a race issue, and really, it would be better if none of us do. There's not proof race had anything to do with it.

They guy is just a dirty player. I expressed my other thoughts in my first post.

Quit driving the race wedge where there likely isn't one. Focus on the facts of what we know with our own eyes. Damed dirty play led to the death of another player and the dirty player should be charged with a crime and never play again.

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I don't either, but I think the issue is that because of his race the repercussions of what he did are likely going to be less than if situation was reversed.

It's hard to argue against that considering the current climate that blacks are to be elevated above all. However, we shall see.

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Exactly.

I dont know **** about **** when it comes to hockey, so I'll sit this one out.

All I know is that I've been to several hockey games and to date, I've always been terrified of something like this happening.

It never has, when I've been watching, but I've always wondered why.

I dunno, did the guy intend to injure the other one? I know they slam each other against the boards to collect/free up the puck but...damn. I have no idea.

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CDUB98 said:

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I can't get on board with making this a race issue, and really, it would be better if none of us do. There's not proof race had anything to do with it.

They guy is just a dirty player. I expressed my other thoughts in my first post.

Quit driving the race wedge where there likely isn't one. Focus on the facts of what we know with our own eyes. Damed dirty play led to the death of another player and the dirty player should be charged with a crime and never play again.

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I don't either, but I think the issue is that because of his race the repercussions of what he did are likely going to be less than if situation was reversed.

It's hard to argue against that considering the current climate that blacks are to be elevated above all. However, we shall see.

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I don't disagree with your postulation. In today's environment, we never know. I'm merely saying in way, "let's be better," or "let's set the higher example."

It's just my opinion which is worth exactly the price of..nothing.

Yes, he kicked him twice.

Dude needs to be prosecuted. He won't be however and we know why.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Imagine taking politics so seriously that you make a poor conclusion with such a tragic accident.

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Watch the slow motion replay. He kicked him twice.

This was 100% intentional.

nortex97 said:

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Pretty sure in the US he'd be under indictment by now, at least if it happened in a non-communist state.

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Pretty sure you are nuts.

This seems to make the most sense:

Read this to the end pic.twitter.com/qD4OMKGCP3

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) October 30, 2023

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Imagine taking politics so seriously that you make a poor conclusion with such a tragic accident.

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If that is the case it was brought to you by leftists. George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose yet Derek Chauvin rots in a jail cell.

So you should not complain when events started by the left begin to boomerang. And the hockey player in question, apparently based on penalty minutes, has a history of taking it too far.

Everyone I know that plays or played hockey said this is obviously not an accident.

Manslaughter should be the charge.

I don't see any impact with another player's skates. Not buying that without better evidence.

Shagga said:

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I took a look at some online comments, reddit and the like, and there is definitely a camp saying completely unintentional, that the guy just lost his balance and raised his leg to regain balance. Any skaters or hockey players on here? I don't see how the lost his balance theory carries any credence as it seems like raising the leg is the opposite of what you would do to regain balance. There are also a lot of people introducing the race issue, i.e., saying that the only reason people are calling him a murderer is because he is black. That's absurd on its face.

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My 14 yr old plays travel hockey, so I watch it all the time in person in addition to what we watch on tv. Not an expert though by any means so feel free to disagree.

Yes, it was an intentional hit. He didn't lose his balance, anybody who watches hockey regularly can see that. Him lunging backwards was a dirty intentional hit, yes, worthy of a major penalty even if this tragedy didn't happen. But I feel like he was attempting to get his knee on the victim in a very, very lame "check" attempt. That's likely the type of dirty hit that has earned him the league's highest number of PIM. Unfortunately in lunging backwards at that speed to make the move he got his foot up too high.

This is why its so important to teach the rules of hitting and how to hit properly in youth hockey. And why its important that kids who demonstrate the tendancy to hit dirty need to be reprimanded early and every time they do it. And finally why refs in youth games need to be strict about this stuff. Unfortunately there are still youth coaches out there who teach borderline dirty hitting and don't reprimand their players when it happens. So unfortunately if the player is talented enough he can still make his way up through the system even being a dirty player.

Explain the double kick please.

Shagga said:

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I took a look at some online comments, reddit and the like, and there is definitely a camp saying completely unintentional, that the guy just lost his balance and raised his leg to regain balance. Any skaters or hockey players on here? I don't see how the lost his balance theory carries any credence as it seems like raising the leg is the opposite of what you would do to regain balance. There are also a lot of people introducing the race issue, i.e., saying that the only reason people are calling him a murderer is because he is black. That's absurd on its face.

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Not a single one of these people have ever skated or done anything athletic in their entire lives. It requires deliberate effort to lift your leg that high especially with skates on. Only way that would happen normally would be if the guy was lifted into the air from a check. Even going off balance no one is purposely kicking someone twice in the head/neck area like that accidentally.

This was done with intent to injure.

He may have been crying since he was in shock that he killed the other player but he did intentionally try to harm another person. From some quick searching he is a dirty player and he needs to be charged. With what is what an investigation needs to determine but manslaughter is a starting point

Not an accident.

A leg never gets raised like that in hockey unless it's intentional. He may not have tried to kill him but he was intentionally trying to hurt someone.

POS needs to be prosecuted.

Im Gipper said:

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This seems to make the most sense:

Read this to the end pic.twitter.com/qD4OMKGCP3

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) October 30, 2023

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100% of all leftists are defending the guy because he is black. If this was a white guy they would all be saying lock him up for life.

The video is clear as day, he kicks him twice.

cevans_40 said:

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I don't know if that was intentional or not but he sure looked distraught after seeing what happened

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He should. That was horrific to see the guy try and skate off while bleeding out.

ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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Everyone I know that plays or played hockey said this is obviously not an accident.

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Yep, same from everyone I know.

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100% of all leftists are defending the guy because he is black. If this was a white guy they would all be saying lock him up for life.

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Are you saying leftists are duplicitous scum bags???

He was clearly throwing the leg to lash out at the guy who got the pass because the lead offensive player dumped off the puck and he was out of defensive position to stop it.

That is an illegal move. And it's pretty obvious on the video that he did not "kick out" to regain his balance or because he was being lifted off the ice (neither are the case).

It is even more clear because after the dump off, he changes is trajectory to put himself in the drop off player (the guy who was killed) path and then when that player gets himself out of range of the hip check the defender is trying to throw, is when he throws his leg.

Of course he will never admit he threw the leg intentionally. But that is what he did.

Anyone defending him has never played any sort of contact sport at any meaningful level...because that is exactly what happened.

Hockey justice suggests that player will spend the balance of his career taking the nastiest and dirtiest hits players are able to dole out (if they'll agree to be on the ice with that guy at all).

Wish I hadn't watched. I was told that a realtive back in the 60s was laying under a running car when a fan blade came off and hit him in the throat. Another mechanic there was a former WWII medic, saw what happened, took a tube from a pen and his pocket knife and bridged the artery to save his life. Another family member verified, but I couldn't help but think it was made up as a cautionary tale to keep me from working around running engines. Eitherway, this brought back that memory. Hard to imagine what the medical staff went through trying to save the guy.

Lock him away and throw away the key.

Intentional? Maybe. But I'm not buying the racist angle at all.

100% that's manslaughter. Lock him up.