Thank you for the assist and correction.

The difference between 2% and 8% of the total vote in Georgia is 94,000 compared to 376,000. The first number of 94,000 is not enough to overcome Trump's 103,711 lead. Which explains why Raffensperger said that. Even if all of the 94,000 were solely Biden votes, still of 9,711 Trump lead.

The alledged final tally was 11,779 Biden win. 2,068 difference. What about the military, overseas and provisional ballots which had a later deadline?

November 6, 2020 Raffensperger said this:

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(Atlanta) - With counting continuing in numerous counties throughout Georgia, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said that as of 3:00 p.m. today there are approximately 8,400 military and overseas ballots (UOCAVA), and 14,200 provisional ballots outstanding.

"Officials in numerous counties are continuing to count ballots, with strong security protocols in place to protect the integrity of our election," said Raffensperger. "We have long anticipated and said publicly that counting would most likely take place into Wednesday night and perhaps Thursday morning. We're on pace to accomplish that responsibly, ensuring that the voice of every eligible voter is heard. It's important to act quickly, but it's more important to get it right."

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LINK That's the SOS website.

Now consider Suzi Voyles' testimony before the state Senate subcommittee about what she witnessed about the recount of military ballots. The paper was pristine, different type of paper,and very heavily, nearly 94% for Biden, with the same pattern of how the ovals were filled in.

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Mike Johnson should spearhead efforts for Congress to investigate the 2020 election. It's appalling GOP House Leadership has had no interest in it, for several years. Kevin McCarthy, Jim Jordan, James Comer, Chip Roy, and others have not lifted a finger to investigate the 2020 election.

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We just watched a 2 year Stalinist show trial and heard members of "The Party" openly discussing removing members of Congress for questioning the election.

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While I'm sure it's above your IQ, one can simply believe that options better than an 80 year old buffoon exists.

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This happened on Trump's watch... But you think second time around he'll fix it huh?

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How does a president fix state level problems?

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I dunno, tell everyone to vote twice? Vote in person and by mail? That's all Trump did.

Look, hindsight is 20/20, but get out in front of this. Yeah he can't go executive order this problem away, but let's face it, Trump was perfectly willing to put all kinds of pressure on various states when he found out he didn't have the votes.

Why couldn't he have done it before the fact when he saw all these ballots getting randomly mailed out?

And he could've pushed the MAGA followers to go and make a lot of noise and try to force change at the state level.

Instead, he sat around quietly and hoped he would win.

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While I'm sure it's above your IQ, one can simply believe that options better than an 80 year old buffoon exists.

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Surely you understand his point that the candidate does not matter if the election is rigged.

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While I'm sure it's above your IQ, one can simply believe that options better than an 80 year old buffoon exists.

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So how is DeSantis going to stop the various ways the election was filled with fraud in selected large cities in select states, not his own? Ballot harvesting won't do it alone.

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Surely you understand his point that the candidate does not matter if the election is rigged.

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Absolutely... and will still vote for the better candidate. Rigged or not, Trump is not the best candidate this country has IMO. Why does Trump attack DeSantis if he believes neither of them can win a "fair" election?

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Why does Trump attack DeSantis if he believes neither of them can win a "fair" election?

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Never heard of a primary versus a general election, I see.

Great point.
When I say registering "illegals" I'm not talking about immigrants...lots of ways for a citizen to wind up on voter roll illegally. As for the apathetic non voters getting registered and having ballots cast in their name, almost impossible to prove.

The "election protection" folks have perfected the art of cheating. Just don't call them out, these are dedicated public servants of highest caliber! You are racist if you disagree.

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While I'm sure it's above your IQ, one can simply believe that options better than an 80 year old buffoon exists.

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So how is DeSantis going to stop the various ways the election was filled with fraud in selected large cities in select states, not his own? Ballot harvesting won't do it alone.

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Maybe the first step is actually campaigning instead of flinging poo like a caged monkey. The better question, if it's truly believed that no one has a chance, why are we even here debating it?

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Ahhh, yes.... it's ok for him to sling poo at conservatives like a caged monkey because he's the Don... I forget.

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I was pointing this out way back in 2019, but I'm just one random guy. The foolish Republicans with actual authority let themselves get screwed by being complacent and by focusing on the wrong threats. The problem was always at the voter harvesting end, to include mail in voting, and the questionable legal maneuvering used to make it easier to harvest ballots for which the chain of custody is broken at some point.

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In democrat controlled counties the republicans are powerless and power is limited at the state level. The real problem is the democrats don't care about the problem and by democrats I specifically mean the private citizens. They are as corrupt as the politicians they worship. If we don't care about election accuracy we don't care about anything.

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You are correct. Allow me to provide one small example of how this works.

I was registered in WA state when I turned 18. The first time I voted was the 1994 mid term. This was also the last time I voted in WA as residency changed to Texas the following year. WA has been a mail in ballot state since at least the early 90's, maybe late 80's.

Yet every general election after that, the county still sent a mail in ballot for me to my parents address in WA. My mom would send it back with a letter explaining I was no longer a WA resident. It didn't matter, they would send another ballot two years later. This went on for at least a decade. Finally, while visiting, I waited in line at the county tax office until I could sit down with someone who literally removed me from the voting rolls (or whatever you call it). The ballots stopped coming after that.

Some years later my dad was having a conversation with some guy way up in the WA GOP at a dinner. Voter integrity came up and he told him about me receiving a mail in ballot every cycle for a decade, after I had changed residency. GOP guy tells him that's unwritten SOP for dems. It's why they pushed so hard for mail in ballots to begin with. It was just too good of an opportunity to pass up and basically no effort was made in dem controlled counties to clean up the voting rolls. So they just keep sending them out. Every bit of data they collected proved that dem voters were much more likely to use the ballot to cast a fraudulent vote while GOP voters were most likely to destroy the ballot. They knew perfectly well that by teeing up the opportunity to cheat, their side would take advantage of it at rates many times what their opponents would.

And there is no way to fix this in democrat controlled states.

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The better question, if it's truly believed that no one has a chance, why are we even here debating it?

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Feel free to stop posting and just ignore this thread at anytime, then.

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So how is DeSantis going to stop the various ways the election was filled with fraud in selected large cities in select states, not his own? Ballot harvesting won't do it alone.

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Maybe the first step is actually campaigning instead of flinging poo like a caged monkey. The better question, if it's truly believed that no one has a chance, why are we even here debating it?

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This thread is about cheating in elections.

What exactly do you think a president can do at the state and local level?

What we need are undercover citizens posing as liberal looking election volunteers, to do stings. The problem is that only people who don't have day jobs are liberal cheaters. The dems have the overwhelming advantage on cheating both through manpower and lack of morals.

Sometimes you got to cheat to save our democracy from being ruined by a GOP fascist.

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What makes me skeptical is that I know that virtually everyone here who says that voting is a complete sham and that the Dems will just create however many votes they need out of thin air will still be voting next year anyway. And that is a flat-out admission that they aren't so confident of their claims.

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No, it's not. It's a challenge to the Dems to be able to stretch their cheating even further. Eventually, their ability to cheat will be outmatched by the sheer number of ballots, and they will get sloppy enough to get caught.

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Based on everything I see personally and in the news on a day-to-day basis the election didn't surprise me at all. This country clearly voted for Obama twice and we've gone much farther left since then. Then you add in 4 years of the most extreme negative coverage of a president in history and you get these results. It was predictable. Almost every news station, TV show, celebrity. sports show, social media outlet, school and university etc. painted him as Hitler 2.0 for 4 years. Maybe most of you didn't see it because of your refusal to watch what 95% of Americans watch.

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Get out of your bubble. Most Americans hate him with a passion, whether they've been instructed to or not. And if we end up with him as the nominee next year we have no chance. We may not have much chance with anyone though so I guess it doesn't matter, with our current population even Reagan would not win. The population is the problem. Even with Obama you can't look at him as the problem, he's just the symptom, the real problem is the population that would put him in power. And that population is only getting worse. Watch when they get a chance and they'll happily choose Newsome over any Republican.

I think most of you just refuse to accept how far gone this country is and so if someone as bad as Biden and Harris are in power it just has to be because of cheating. No, it's because of brainwashed morons.

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In 2020, Trump had more votes than Obama did in 2016 and in 2012. Media has gone much further left. The populist uprise slandered as MAGA is a result of media and the Dems leaving the majority of Americans. Get out of your bubble.

The election fraud is a real problem, but at some point, things like 25% inflation over 4 years is going to flat out crush those in power.

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So how is DeSantis going to stop the various ways the election was filled with fraud in selected large cities in select states, not his own? Ballot harvesting won't do it alone.

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Maybe the first step is actually campaigning instead of flinging poo like a caged monkey. The better question, if it's truly believed that no one has a chance, why are we even here debating it?

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This thread is about cheating in elections.

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Fair enough.... carry on with that then. I was simply responding initially to the poster that claimed "nominating an attorney from Florida .... according to TexAgs brain trust"

That's a sad, stupid shtick that deserves calling out.

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Well having a more electable candidate that is running a ballot harvesting operation of their own and isn't despised by 60% of the country would seem to be an idea but let's just do the same thing again. Only this time our guy is older and is telling people he doesn't need their votes.

It takes more than identifying problems it requires actually trying new solutions.

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Dude, we get it, you work on the DeSantis campaign. If DeSantis is doing everything you say he's doing, he'll be bringing a BB gun to a fight that the DNC is using howitzers. Wake up, this isn't Trump vs. Desantis, it's good versus evil and we're getting our ass kicked thanks to our freckles party leaders and spineless judges.

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Nice job of attacking me and not the point I was making. So what is Trump doing? DeSantis is actually doing something and has a plan. At least DeSantis has been able to have some success beating the Left when many thought it was impossible (Covid lockdowns and Disney are 2 great examples). I'll vote for Trump if he is the nominee but he is literally doing nothing about this other than dealing with his own legal troubles. There is no ground game and organization. He praised McDaniel AGAIN this weekend even though she still won't even talk to Scott Pressler and is a joke of an RNC Chair. It's like the Trump campaign thinks they will win by Memes and personal attacks, that is the main thing he is doing and all his influencers do.

I also donate to DeSantis not the other way around (only the 2nd candidate I have ever donated to) but thanks for your concern.

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The only way I'm attacking you, is not personally, and I did address the rest of your post, you just don't like to hear it.(BB gun vs. Howitzers). You have to make every legitimate election integrity thread about Trump and DeSantis when everyone else is discussing the corruption of the left, their voting apparatus and their minions. Nothing DeSantis is doing is going to change a damn thing. Let's put this to rest once and for all, DeSantis cleaned up Florida and turned it deep red by cleaning out the corruption of Miami-Dade County and Broward County. Do you even remember how leftist corrupt those counties were and their election officials? He is the governor of Florida and had that power. How's he going to clean up Philadelphia, Detroit, Phoenix, Atlanta or even Milwaukee pre 2024 election? Woohoo, he's doing something (BB gun). Now talk about the absolute corruption of our elections at the national level, then maybe we can get DeSantis elected. But you DeSantis fanboys love to whistle through the graveyard and throw platitudes at anything Trump without ever, deeply acknowledging the true problem. Some of you have already gone as far as claiming when the corruption isn't overcome it will just be an excuse for a Trump loss and all the trumpers will be parroting it. I'm not a trumper and guess what, I'm already trumpeting it. The candidate will not matter!

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Well having a more electable candidate that is running a ballot harvesting operation of their own and isn't despised by 60% of the country would seem to be an idea but let's just do the same thing again. Only this time our guy is older and is telling people he doesn't need their votes.

It takes more than identifying problems it requires actually trying new solutions.

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Dude, we get it, you work on the DeSantis campaign. If DeSantis is doing everything you say he's doing, he'll be bringing a BB gun to a fight that the DNC is using howitzers. Wake up, this isn't Trump vs. Desantis, it's good versus evil and we're getting our ass kicked thanks to our freckles party leaders and spineless judges.

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Nice job of attacking me and not the point I was making. So what is Trump doing? DeSantis is actually doing something and has a plan. At least DeSantis has been able to have some success beating the Left when many thought it was impossible (Covid lockdowns and Disney are 2 great examples). I'll vote for Trump if he is the nominee but he is literally doing nothing about this other than dealing with his own legal troubles. There is no ground game and organization. He praised McDaniel AGAIN this weekend even though she still won't even talk to Scott Pressler and is a joke of an RNC Chair. It's like the Trump campaign thinks they will win by Memes and personal attacks, that is the main thing he is doing and all his influencers do.

I also donate to DeSantis not the other way around (only the 2nd candidate I have ever donated to) but thanks for your concern.

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The only way I'm attacking you, is not personally, and I did address the rest of your post, you just don't like to hear it.(BB gun vs. Howitzers). You have to make every legitimate election integrity thread about Trump and DeSantis when everyone else is discussing the corruption of the left, their voting apparatus and their minions. Nothing DeSantis is doing is going to change a damn thing. Let's put this to rest once and for all, DeSantis cleaned up Florida and turned it deep red by cleaning out the corruption of Miami-Dade County and Broward County. Do you even remember how leftist corrupt those counties were and their election officials? He is the governor of Florida and had that power. How's he going to clean up Philadelphia, Detroit, Phoenix, Atlanta or even Milwaukee pre 2024 election? Woohoo, he's doing something (BB gun). Now talk about the absolute corruption of our elections at the national level, then maybe we can get DeSantis elected. But you DeSantis fanboys love to whistle through the graveyard and throw platitudes at anything Trump without ever, deeply acknowledging the true problem. Some of you have already gone as far as claiming when the corruption isn't overcome it will just be an excuse for a Trump loss and all the trumpers will be parroting it. I'm not a trumper and guess what, I'm already trumpeting it. The candidate will not matter!

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I understand you don't think DeSantis can solve the problem. I think it is worth a shot to try a new approach but I understand you seem to think it is hopeless so why bother?

The question was about what TRUMP is going to do. I have seen no plan from him at all, in fact what he has talked about and done is counterproductive. He's not making himself more palatable to Swing voters. He's not building a ground game. He backed a terrible candidate for RNC Chair. He's not talking about ballot harvesting in any serious way. He's not setting up a legal strategy to contest results.

I guess I'm just not ready to concede just yet and would like to try something new first.

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While I'm sure it's above your IQ, one can simply believe that options better than an 80 year old buffoon exists.

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So how is DeSantis going to stop the various ways the election was filled with fraud in selected large cities in select states, not his own? Ballot harvesting won't do it alone.

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Maybe the first step is actually campaigning instead of flinging poo like a caged monkey. The better question, if it's truly believed that no one has a chance, why are we even here debating it?

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Because we love our country and want to acknowledge the wounds, try to get our party leaders to raise hell about it and try to fix it? If not, start considering option B.

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"The only way to overcome it is either Civil War, or if we run a much better candidate."

We could run Ronald Reagan it would not change the outcome. Biden would simply get 90,000,000 ballots…

It's completely broken. The system. It's rigged top to bottom. Democracy died in Jan 2020.

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Im pretty sure Reagan would win a general election, but he'd never win a primary these days.

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This is incredibly true. Sadly.

Even in states that have forbidden a repeat of the CTCL/Zuckerberg bucks have limited the prohibition to election officials and election offices.

Guess what is happening? Bucks come into another state agency and they make an intra state agency loan to the election offices. Not illegal.

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Well having a more electable candidate that is running a ballot harvesting operation of their own and isn't despised by 60% of the country would seem to be an idea but let's just do the same thing again. Only this time our guy is older and is telling people he doesn't need their votes.

It takes more than identifying problems it requires actually trying new solutions.

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Dude, we get it, you work on the DeSantis campaign. If DeSantis is doing everything you say he's doing, he'll be bringing a BB gun to a fight that the DNC is using howitzers. Wake up, this isn't Trump vs. Desantis, it's good versus evil and we're getting our ass kicked thanks to our freckles party leaders and spineless judges.

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Nice job of attacking me and not the point I was making. So what is Trump doing? DeSantis is actually doing something and has a plan. At least DeSantis has been able to have some success beating the Left when many thought it was impossible (Covid lockdowns and Disney are 2 great examples). I'll vote for Trump if he is the nominee but he is literally doing nothing about this other than dealing with his own legal troubles. There is no ground game and organization. He praised McDaniel AGAIN this weekend even though she still won't even talk to Scott Pressler and is a joke of an RNC Chair. It's like the Trump campaign thinks they will win by Memes and personal attacks, that is the main thing he is doing and all his influencers do.

I also donate to DeSantis not the other way around (only the 2nd candidate I have ever donated to) but thanks for your concern.

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The only way I'm attacking you, is not personally, and I did address the rest of your post, you just don't like to hear it.(BB gun vs. Howitzers). You have to make every legitimate election integrity thread about Trump and DeSantis when everyone else is discussing the corruption of the left, their voting apparatus and their minions. Nothing DeSantis is doing is going to change a damn thing. Let's put this to rest once and for all, DeSantis cleaned up Florida and turned it deep red by cleaning out the corruption of Miami-Dade County and Broward County. Do you even remember how leftist corrupt those counties were and their election officials? He is the governor of Florida and had that power. How's he going to clean up Philadelphia, Detroit, Phoenix, Atlanta or even Milwaukee pre 2024 election? Woohoo, he's doing something (BB gun). Now talk about the absolute corruption of our elections at the national level, then maybe we can get DeSantis elected. But you DeSantis fanboys love to whistle through the graveyard and throw platitudes at anything Trump without ever, deeply acknowledging the true problem. Some of you have already gone as far as claiming when the corruption isn't overcome it will just be an excuse for a Trump loss and all the trumpers will be parroting it. I'm not a trumper and guess what, I'm already trumpeting it. The candidate will not matter!

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I understand you don't think DeSantis can solve the problem. I think it is worth a shot to try a new approach but I understand you seem to think it is hopeless so why bother?

The question was about what TRUMP is going to do. I have seen no plan from him at all, in fact what he has talked about and done is counterproductive. He's not making himself more palatable to Swing voters. He's not building a ground game. He backed a terrible candidate for RNC Chair. He's not talking about ballot harvesting in any serious way. He's not setting up a legal strategy to contest results.

I guess I'm just not ready to concede just yet and would like to try something new first.

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There's my platitudes. Stop trying to stick your finger in the dam and try to figure out how to build a new dam. This one is failing and nothing Trump or DeSantis are doing will change that. Quit making every ****ing thead about that, it just shows your mental weakness. By your definition, if I'm stuck in the middle of the desert with an empty gas tank and I get out and start digging in the sand, hoping to find oil, at least I'm doing something. Forget I'm eating time when I should be focused on how to get out of the desert.

And, the question wasn't about what is Trump doing, that's what y'all turned it into. The OP only mentions Trump because the election was stolen from him, you, me and the American people.

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No, they would cheat then too.

Joes - I'd believe all of that, that Trump was hated so much and that's why he lost, if not for the fact that he INCREASED HIS VOTES by 10,000,000 PLUS votes.

The entire theory falls apart.

If he were that hated, he'd have LOST votes.

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This happened on Trump's watch... But you think second time around he'll fix it huh?

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No, they'll cheat then too.

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Come on Annie, they don't understand replacing Trump with DeSantis isn't trying something new, it's just trying the same thing over again without addressing what the real problem is and we know what that definition is.

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This happened on Trump's watch... But you think second time around he'll fix it huh?

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Just wait till the DeSantis crew learns about the three branches and the separation of powers + unofficial fourth branch.

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While I'm sure it's above your IQ, one can simply believe that options better than an 80 year old buffoon exists.

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So how is DeSantis going to stop the various ways the election was filled with fraud in selected large cities in select states, not his own? Ballot harvesting won't do it alone.

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Maybe the first step is actually campaigning instead of flinging poo like a caged monkey. The better question, if it's truly believed that no one has a chance, why are we even here debating it?

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Because we love our country and want to acknowledge the wounds, try to get our party leaders to raise hell about it and try to fix it? If not, start considering option B.

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If you believe for one second that I don't love this country or want the election fraud fixed, then I have choice words that I will refrain from positing.

I can believe that Trump got screwed and still believe he's an imbecile, not the best candidate, and one that I will not support in the primary. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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Use lawsuits and his AG to prosecute election fraud would have been nice. Of course you have to appoint competent people to do that. You can also try to beat Democrats at their own game, it worked in '22 in parts of California and NY where we picked up House seats. It's not easy though and it takes discipline and hard work and money.

Trump is the favorite so I sincerely want him to have a plan, I don't want 4 more years of a Democrat. I just don't see any plan I just see a lot of complaining and time spent trying to get people that are already on his side to get more worked up talking about how terrible the Democrats are. I mean that's fine it's just not a real plan. I want to win.

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Precisely what is this new approach whereof you speak/

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Come on Annie, they don't understand replacing Trump with DeSantis isn't trying something new, it's just trying the same thing over again without addressing what the real problem is and we know what that definition is.

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How is changing the leadership, as in who directs where resources go and how to handle the direction and strategy, not step 1 in fixing the problem?

I mean, as of right now, we know of exactly 1 person who has failed, repeatedly, in addressing the problem and his answer is to do the exact same thing as the previous failures... so why would that NOT be the first problem we address?

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Well having a more electable candidate that is running a ballot harvesting operation of their own and isn't despised by 60% of the country would seem to be an idea but let's just do the same thing again. Only this time our guy is older and is telling people he doesn't need their votes.

It takes more than identifying problems it requires actually trying new solutions.

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Dude, we get it, you work on the DeSantis campaign. If DeSantis is doing everything you say he's doing, he'll be bringing a BB gun to a fight that the DNC is using howitzers. Wake up, this isn't Trump vs. Desantis, it's good versus evil and we're getting our ass kicked thanks to our freckles party leaders and spineless judges.

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Nice job of attacking me and not the point I was making. So what is Trump doing? DeSantis is actually doing something and has a plan. At least DeSantis has been able to have some success beating the Left when many thought it was impossible (Covid lockdowns and Disney are 2 great examples). I'll vote for Trump if he is the nominee but he is literally doing nothing about this other than dealing with his own legal troubles. There is no ground game and organization. He praised McDaniel AGAIN this weekend even though she still won't even talk to Scott Pressler and is a joke of an RNC Chair. It's like the Trump campaign thinks they will win by Memes and personal attacks, that is the main thing he is doing and all his influencers do.

I also donate to DeSantis not the other way around (only the 2nd candidate I have ever donated to) but thanks for your concern.

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The only way I'm attacking you, is not personally, and I did address the rest of your post, you just don't like to hear it.(BB gun vs. Howitzers). You have to make every legitimate election integrity thread about Trump and DeSantis when everyone else is discussing the corruption of the left, their voting apparatus and their minions. Nothing DeSantis is doing is going to change a damn thing. Let's put this to rest once and for all, DeSantis cleaned up Florida and turned it deep red by cleaning out the corruption of Miami-Dade County and Broward County. Do you even remember how leftist corrupt those counties were and their election officials? He is the governor of Florida and had that power. How's he going to clean up Philadelphia, Detroit, Phoenix, Atlanta or even Milwaukee pre 2024 election? Woohoo, he's doing something (BB gun). Now talk about the absolute corruption of our elections at the national level, then maybe we can get DeSantis elected. But you DeSantis fanboys love to whistle through the graveyard and throw platitudes at anything Trump without ever, deeply acknowledging the true problem. Some of you have already gone as far as claiming when the corruption isn't overcome it will just be an excuse for a Trump loss and all the trumpers will be parroting it. I'm not a trumper and guess what, I'm already trumpeting it. The candidate will not matter!

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I understand you don't think DeSantis can solve the problem. I think it is worth a shot to try a new approach but I understand you seem to think it is hopeless so why bother?

The question was about what TRUMP is going to do. I have seen no plan from him at all, in fact what he has talked about and done is counterproductive. He's not making himself more palatable to Swing voters. He's not building a ground game. He backed a terrible candidate for RNC Chair. He's not talking about ballot harvesting in any serious way. He's not setting up a legal strategy to contest results.

I guess I'm just not ready to concede just yet and would like to try something new first.

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There's my platitudes. Stop trying to stick your finger in the dam and try to figure out how to build a new dam. This one is failing and nothing Trump or DeSantis are doing will change that. Quit making every ****ing thead about that, it just shows your mental weakness. By your definition, if I'm stuck in the middle of the desert with an empty gas tank and I get out and start digging in the sand, hoping to find oil, at least I'm doing something. Forget I'm eating time when I should be focused on how to get out of the desert.

And, the question wasn't about what is Trump doing, that's what y'all turned it into. The OP only mentions Trump because the election was stolen from him, you, me and the American people.

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So what is your plan? Revolution? Jan 6 Part II?

Yes, threads about Trump having the election stolen are going to end up being about Trump as well or what we can do to prevent it/change it.

The House Republicans in NY and Cali that did what DeSantis is advocating won in Deep Blue states btw, even that idiot Santos.

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The way to stop this is run a different candidate, preferably a Florida lawyer.
~Texags brain trust

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While I'm sure it's above your IQ, one can simply believe that options better than an 80 year old buffoon exists.

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So how is DeSantis going to stop the various ways the election was filled with fraud in selected large cities in select states, not his own? Ballot harvesting won't do it alone.

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Maybe the first step is actually campaigning instead of flinging poo like a caged monkey. The better question, if it's truly believed that no one has a chance, why are we even here debating it?

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Because we love our country and want to acknowledge the wounds, try to get our party leaders to raise hell about it and try to fix it? If not, start considering option B.

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If you believe for one second that I don't love this country or want the election fraud fixed, then I have choice words that I will refrain from positing.

I can believe that Trump got screwed and still believe he's an imbecile, not the best candidate, and one that I will not support in the primary. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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Great, start another thead about it. This one was.... was about the corruption of the 2020 election and if the Republican party, it's leaders and the RNC is doing a damn thing about it. And remember, your "better question" was what indicated that if we believe the corrupt is an impossibility to overcome, we should just wave a white flag.

Love to hear your choice words though, although I've read them many times on here already.