Antoninus said:

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GenericAggie said:

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The friend who's Hispanic can speak, read, and write English.

The person who just got here illegally can not do any of the above. Why are we making this so hard?

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Because this bill allows Barney Fife to haul anyone to Laredo and dump him, rather than arresting him and giving him a chance to prove that he belongs here.

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You should read the law. If the person refuses to go to Mexico, they are arrested.

itsyourboypookie said:

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And a tad racist. And without due process seems unconstitutional. Does this mean I can be pulled over to prove I'm a citizen? Or will I have to be committing another crime first?

In this 3rd #txlege Special Session, the Texas House just passed House Bill 4 that empowers any officer to detain any person in any part of Texas & take them to the Mexico border. 

No judge. No evidence. This is not border security; this is insanity. https://t.co/4nCVCWJVpl pic.twitter.com/Ij0w4FLWyD

— Gina Hinojosa (@GinaForAustin) October 26, 2023

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There are people from 160+ countries coming across the border. Eastern Europeans are white. There have been people from Ireland, Russia, etc - practically the entire continent. There are Asians from everywhere too (since Asians are discriminated against in hiring and school admissions).

Im Gipper said:

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You should read the law. If the person refuses to go to Mexico, they are arrested.

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I read it. I was the one who posted the link to the text.

Yes, if Barney Fife hauls Jesus to the Juarez border, and Jesus refuses to cross the border, Barney has the option to arrest Jesus or to just leave Jesus in El Paso.

Maybe not a HUGE problem if he grabbed Jesus IN El Paso, but more of a problem if he was grabbed in Sierra Blanca. A BIG problem if he was grabbed in Tyler.

You could solve SOME of the Constitutional problems by giving Jesus the option (in Tyler) of either facing prosecution OR accepting transport to Acuña with the agreement that he will cross the border back into Mexico.

There are a ton of OTHER Constitutional problems, but that procedure would address one of them.

Dad-O-Lot said:

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sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

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there are many ways to validate your identity and prove who you are if you forget to take an ID. In any event, this is a weak argument. Do better.

David Happymountain said:

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Dad-O-Lot said:

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sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

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there are many ways to validate your identity and prove who you are if you forget to take an ID. In any event, this is a weak argument. Do better.

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You are just not seeing the potential for abuse here.

It does not MATTER. Jesus could be a 5th-generation Texan and be carrying both his TDL and his US passport. Barney Fife could STILL haul him to Del Rio. Now, Barney and his department might get sued for it, but the statute DOES authorize that action.

It is a poorly-written, piece of knee-jerk legislation.

The bill probably won't become law and if it becomes law it will probably be found unconstitutional by the courts. But, at least Texas will have spent some more tax dollars paying lawyers to defend another facially problematic law

The migrant can just show em the giant secret Biden envelope they all walk around w after being "processed"

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

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doubledog said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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And a tad racist. And without due process seems unconstitutional. Does this mean I can be pulled over to prove I'm a citizen? Or will I have to be committing another crime first?

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Due process and the constitution applies first and foremost to citizens of the United States after that it can apply for illegal aliens. Most of us carry proof of citizenship/residency on our selves at all times.

And yes the courts will most likely strike this down.

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What's going on in that picture, do the guys in the baseball caps want to eat in a restaurant and the soldiers are checking for their vaccine papers?

Dad-O-Lot said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF

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sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

No, this is too much power for law enforcement. Sure, it's more difficult requiring proof and conviction before punishment, but it is a pillar of a free society.

The answer is to keep them from coming across in the first place.

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You're right, but since the Feds keep thwarting our efforts to keep them on the other side, this is the next best thing IMO.

GenericAggie said:

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Dad-O-Lot said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF

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sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

No, this is too much power for law enforcement. Sure, it's more difficult requiring proof and conviction before punishment, but it is a pillar of a free society.

The answer is to keep them from coming across in the first place.

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The friend who's Hispanic can speak, read, and write English.

The person who just got here illegally can not do any of the above. Why are we making this so hard?

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You dont know many high school age kids do you. Many cant handwrite a readable and grammatical sentence

Libs tell me this law is the end of the world, conservatives that it doesn't actually do anything and should be opposed because it doesn't do enough.

Charpie said:

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GenericAggie said:

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Dad-O-Lot said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF

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sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

No, this is too much power for law enforcement. Sure, it's more difficult requiring proof and conviction before punishment, but it is a pillar of a free society.

The answer is to keep them from coming across in the first place.

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The friend who's Hispanic can speak, read, and write English.

The person who just got here illegally can not do any of the above. Why are we making this so hard?

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My grandma was a 5th generation Texan who grew up in Starr County who didn't speak English. She didn't write it or read it either. She didn't have the need. Believe it or not, there are a lot of folks just like her. So she should be deported?

This is hypothetical since she's dead

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Not if she is in the state lawfully

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

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doubledog said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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And a tad racist. And without due process seems unconstitutional. Does this mean I can be pulled over to prove I'm a citizen? Or will I have to be committing another crime first?

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Due process and the constitution applies first and foremost to citizens of the United States after that it can apply for illegal aliens. Most of us carry proof of citizenship/residency on our selves at all times.

And yes the courts will most likely strike this down.

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Who cares. If you have your ID with you and can prove where you live, they aren't just snatching you up and taking you to the border.

Rapier108 said:

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Wouldn't trust anything Gina Hinojosa says without looking a lot deeper.

She's an Austin leftist to the core.

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This. Just look at her. She probably wanted to lock you up and take away your children for not getting the fake vax. Definitely wanted you fired and for your family to suffer.



Take everything she says with a huge grain of salt. Lying is one of the fundamental pillars of their wicked and depraved religion.

This law, if passed, would not exist in on its own in the void. Every new law does not need to reiterate all of the protections of other existing laws. The framing of the issues of this law in a way that ignores all other laws is a pretty typical tactic for the opponents of any new law. Its standard propaganda.

Imagine the law firms that would foam at the mouth if a US citizen got thrown on the other side of the border because they weren't confirmed to be alien. Again, the idea that poor Abuela who never learned english is going to snatched up while crossing the street without her ID and tossed across the rio grande is hilariously stupid. Do you have any idea the massive amount of instantly accessible data by every level of govt there is for a person with a social security number?

Well said! Reading the law shows You don't get "thrown on the other side of the border."

Finally, a way to deal with "sovereign citizens"

Im Gipper said:

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Well said! Reading the law shows You don't get "thrown on the other side of the border."

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A police officer on their own volition driving someone to the border and telling them to go back across sure seems like a possible violation of habeus corpus and de facto deportation without going through the normal process, even moreso once you get more than 100 miles from then border and some of the legal intricacies related to that. And I don't see how you "assume" those and other issues into this law.

And since it's just amends an existing law(s), that appears to be its intent... although that probably isn't popular with those that can't decide whether Texas lawmakers are supposed to remove all illegals or if they're're literally the gestapo for trying.

"Leave or be arrested" violated habeus corpus?

Im Gipper said:

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"Leave or be arrested" violated habeus corpus?

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A law enforcement officer picking you up against your will and driving you somewhere else sure seems like a variation of seizure/detention/arrest/custody even if this law seems to want to suggest otherwise.

I believe the Texas definition of "habeus corpus" includes any situation when someone is "restrained."

So yeah, it sure seems like habeus corpus would, generally speaking, attach somewhere in this situation. Unless I missed it, and perhaps I did, I don't see how you can read in a process respectful of habeus rights into what's prescribed in this law

Charpie said:

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GenericAggie said:

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Dad-O-Lot said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF

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sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

No, this is too much power for law enforcement. Sure, it's more difficult requiring proof and conviction before punishment, but it is a pillar of a free society.

The answer is to keep them from coming across in the first place.

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The friend who's Hispanic can speak, read, and write English.

The person who just got here illegally can not do any of the above. Why are we making this so hard?

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My grandma was a 5th generation Texan who grew up in Starr County who didn't speak English. She didn't write it or read it either. She didn't have the need. Believe it or not, there are a lot of folks just like her. So she should be deported?

This is hypothetical since she's dead

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Of course not. I had no idea there were parts of TX that don't speak English. I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering parts of Miami - Cuban areas - don't speak English either.

Ags4DaWin said:

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Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF

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An ID is not a requirement for legal Texas residents unless they're behind the wheel of a vehicle. So what if someone doesn't have one or is t carrying one because they don't need it at the time?

What if they're not American but not Mexican either? I have to imagine there's an international law preventing a country such as ours from dumping randos in other countries where they don't belong.

Jeeper79 said:

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What if they're not American but not Mexican either? I have to imagine there's an international law preventing a country such as ours from dumping randos in other countries where they don't belong.

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Read the bill. It says order them to go back to the country they are from or where they illegally entered US from.

Jeeper79 said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF

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An ID is not a requirement for legal Texas residents unless they're behind the wheel of a vehicle. So what if someone doesn't have one or is t carrying one because they don't need it at the time?

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Unfortunately, I'm sure there will still be some who do "DGAF" as long as it's happening to certain people.

maverick2076 said:

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I'm still waiting for the part of the law that's racist. Does it only say that they can detain and transport people of a certain color?

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If white people can walk around without fear of being questioned and brown people can't, it's a racist law. HTH

David Happymountain said:

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Dad-O-Lot said:

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sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

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there are many ways to validate your identity and prove who you are if you forget to take an ID. In any event, this is a weak argument. Do better.

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bullsh***!!!

If an officer doesn't believe you, you're going to the border.

"do better" my a**!

I understand the desire to simplify the process and just take the border-crossers back where they came from, but this is too easily abused.

Jeeper79 said:

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maverick2076 said:

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I'm still waiting for the part of the law that's racist. Does it only say that they can detain and transport people of a certain color?

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If white people can walk around without fear of being questioned and brown people can't, it's a racist law. HTH

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Uhhh…no. It's called logic. Disparate impact is made up bull**** created by a leftist Supreme Court.

Antoninus said:

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David Happymountain said:

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Dad-O-Lot said:

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sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

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there are many ways to validate your identity and prove who you are if you forget to take an ID. In any event, this is a weak argument. Do better.

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You are just not seeing the potential for abuse here.

It does not MATTER. Jesus could be a 5th-generation Texan and be carrying both his TDL and his US passport. Barney Fife could STILL haul him to Del Rio. Now, Barney and his department might get sued for it, but the statute DOES authorize that action.

It is a poorly-written, piece of knee-jerk legislation.

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Please explain how this happens.

They cannot forcibly deport u if ur here legally.

That's alot of needles hand ring about a law that says if ur an illegal local and state cops can take u to the border.

U sure are morally virtuous.

Jeeper79 said:

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maverick2076 said:

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I'm still waiting for the part of the law that's racist. Does it only say that they can detain and transport people of a certain color?

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If white people can walk around without fear of being questioned and brown people can't, it's a racist law. HTH

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That doesn't make it a racist law, it makes the people enforcing the law racist.

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

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GenericAggie said:

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You're saying people who are born in the US, grow up in TX south of San Antonio don't speak, write, or read English?

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To follow up on Charpie's comments…you ever been to Starr County? Yes, I worked many years with natural born Americans of Mexican descent who could hardly speak a word of English.

May be hard for you to believe hence my earlier comment about Amarillo guys chiming in on the issue. The Valley is another world. Especially the further west you get from Brownsville. There's a stretch from about La Joya to damn near Laredo that would blow your mind.

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And this is exactly why, culturally, Mexico and most of Latin America are failed states.

There is nothing good about what either of you are describing. This is disfunction. Cultural dysfunction.